Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion

[MrDollarBills]

Mikal and Robinson for Sabonis?

[Spree2Houston]

Mikal and Robinson for Sabonis?

Hart and Robinson for Myles Turner and if we’re lucky KAT for Giannis

I would hold onto Mikal for a better trade down the road.

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Giannis
Turner

[WargamesX]

I would try to trade some second rounder and a S&T Precious for Siddiq Bey, bring Marjon back.
Then see if they could bring a big for the vet min. Like Steven Adams or Looney for our Tax Payer MLE. Somebody who can play behind Mitch while Huk recovers. Then next year hopefully the new coach can try to bring on some young players (Kolek, Dadiet, Marjon) too fill out the roster.

Brunson/Kolek
McBride/Hart/Marjon
OG/Mikal/Marjon or Dadiet
KAT/Bey/Dadiet
Mitch/Adams/Huk

OR

Brunson/Mcbride/Kole
Mikal/Hart/Marjon
OG/Marjon or Dadiet
KAT/Bey/Dadiet
Mitch/Adams/Huk

[Knick4Real]

NONE of these trade ideas matter if Thibs only plays the same guys. For example, we just acquired Delon Wright, but Thibs won't play him.

[boogeydown]

Trade Idea for this summer:

NY gets:
Kevin Durant, Ryan Dunn

Phoenix gets:
OG, Mitchell Robinson, Pacome Dadiet

Its pretty clear we need another guy that can score to go with Brunson and KAT.

[spree2kawhi]

NONE of these trade ideas matter if Thibs only plays the same guys. For example, we just acquired Delon Wright, but Thibs won't play him.

We acquired Delon Wright and did not acquire several other guys that may have been on the markessler.

[spree2kawhi]

Mikal and Robinson for Sabonis?

Hart and Robinson for Myles Turner and if we’re lucky KAT for Giannis

I would hold onto Mikal for a better trade down the road.

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Giannis
Turner

Our shot at Turner was at the deadline. He’ll become a free agent this summer.

[Spree2Houston]

Mikal and Robinson for Sabonis?

Hart and Robinson for Myles Turner and if we’re lucky KAT for Giannis

I would hold onto Mikal for a better trade down the road.

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Giannis
Turner

Our shot at Turner was at the deadline. He’ll become a free agent this summer.

We’ll be under the 2nd apron which will allow us to aggregate players in a sign and trade.

[nykballa2k4]

Not to be a Uconn homer, but Samson Johnson (Uconn center) looks like he could be a guy. Very mobile, looks switchable, athletic. Similar to Sims in that way. could be an undrafted candidate, pick number 57.
I don't see him on draft boards, so should be attainable and affordable.

[spree2kawhi]

Hart and Robinson for Myles Turner and if we’re lucky KAT for Giannis

I would hold onto Mikal for a better trade down the road.

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Giannis
Turner

Our shot at Turner was at the deadline. He’ll become a free agent this summer.

We’ll be under the 2nd apron which will allow us to aggregate players in a sign and trade.

I’d take him in a heartbeat, but I don’t see it happening. Mitch is pretty good actually… for starters, I’d love for us to change starters.

[nykballa2k4]

We won't do this, but since we have Bridges, probably the wisest thing to do is to move OG for multiple pieces.
Since Mavericks seem to love defensive guys, perhaps OG for Gafford, Martin, additional assets?

[Richard4444]

Hart and Robinson for Myles Turner and if we’re lucky KAT for Giannis

I would hold onto Mikal for a better trade down the road.

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Giannis
Turner

Our shot at Turner was at the deadline. He’ll become a free agent this summer.

We’ll be under the 2nd apron which will allow us to aggregate players in a sign and trade.

If we get a player by a sign-and-trade deal, we get hard capped at first apron.

[R-DAWG]

Let me rephrase it: Players we could have realistically drafted (got picked after us or only 1-2 spots ahead on available picks): Sengun, Eason, J.Williams, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, Duren, Kessler, Jalen Johnson etc......I know it is not always easy to pick the right player but simply punting those picks in the 10-20 range was a mistake. Literally, if we had drafted just 1 out of the above 8 guys we would already be in a much better position as we would have at least another very strong frontcourt player (Sengun/Duren/Kessler) or a nice 3-D wing. It may have also prevented us from throwing 5 FRPs at Bridges. When you start punting all those picks it starts to give me the "this is not the right way to go about things" vibe. We were a lottery team when we traded the Duren pick and didn't have any realistic path to immediate contention. We could have easily developed a good talent for 2-3 years and reaped the benefits now. We weren't a team on the verge looking for that one final player to push us over the top. Today, if you leave out our core players, it will be virtually impossible to get such a player via trade or draft (as most our picks for the foreseeable future are going to be in the late late first round).

I agree that punting the draft picks was silly. The ones that bother me are the ones we drafted for other teams basically. Duren is one of them for sure. That was a couple of years back and we had Shart and Mitch at the time. So I get their line of thinking even though I disagree.

We have a really good team though. The HC is a dopey fuq but, the roster has plenty of talent and more depth than people believe. Thibs is a problem. More than the picks we let get away IMO. Time to see what his genius coaching looks like with Mitch back...after we get Jalen back and...hoping we don't lose anyone else to injury.

I agree with your sentiment. One small correction though: Keep in mind the draft 2022 was held on the 24th of June and we signed Hartenstein 3 weeks later in free agency. Don't know if there was already some sort of agreement in place at the draft but at that point we only had Mitch under contract.

Also keep in mind that AT THAT point Hartenstein's best season was 8points/5rebounds....he was nowhere near last season's or this seasons level of play. Duren in his rookie season averaged 9points/9rebounds in just 25minutes (while Hartenstein got 5points/7rebounds with us) and then Duren got 14points/12rebounds last season. My point being, management seriously underestimated Duren's ability because they likely thought "He'll be only a rookie".....same with other drafts. And it may be unfair, but I tie some of it to Thibs too for his demand for veterans and unwillingness to develop players. Like you, I do like our roster but feel the upside is somewhat limited. Look at OKC, perfectly put together team and vast assets left. Literally, if OKC plays their cards right they are a dynasty for the upcoming 8-10 years...they should win at least 3-4 titles.

99% of Knick fans would probably trade rosters with OKC and they have like 10!!! tradable FRPs left.

In hindsight, passing on the 11th pick of the 2022 draft for two picks in the 16-22 range in the 2025 draft and 2 Washington 2nds wasn’t a good move.

Could you imagine the vibes around this team if we had Jalen Williams as a third year all-star making 30% of what Bridges makes with control of all our future draft capital. Frankly, we probably would have had OG on a better contract the way the summer played out if our hand wasn’t forced post Bridges trade.

Not to pile on Bridges here, and we don’t know if Williams or Brunson for that matter would have developed the same if they ended up on the same team. But drafting and developing your own guys always puts you in a better position than paying a premium (or in bridges case a premium and then some) for other teams guys.

[HopelessKnick]

I agree that punting the draft picks was silly. The ones that bother me are the ones we drafted for other teams basically. Duren is one of them for sure. That was a couple of years back and we had Shart and Mitch at the time. So I get their line of thinking even though I disagree.

We have a really good team though. The HC is a dopey fuq but, the roster has plenty of talent and more depth than people believe. Thibs is a problem. More than the picks we let get away IMO. Time to see what his genius coaching looks like with Mitch back...after we get Jalen back and...hoping we don't lose anyone else to injury.

I agree with your sentiment. One small correction though: Keep in mind the draft 2022 was held on the 24th of June and we signed Hartenstein 3 weeks later in free agency. Don't know if there was already some sort of agreement in place at the draft but at that point we only had Mitch under contract.

Also keep in mind that AT THAT point Hartenstein's best season was 8points/5rebounds....he was nowhere near last season's or this seasons level of play. Duren in his rookie season averaged 9points/9rebounds in just 25minutes (while Hartenstein got 5points/7rebounds with us) and then Duren got 14points/12rebounds last season. My point being, management seriously underestimated Duren's ability because they likely thought "He'll be only a rookie".....same with other drafts. And it may be unfair, but I tie some of it to Thibs too for his demand for veterans and unwillingness to develop players. Like you, I do like our roster but feel the upside is somewhat limited. Look at OKC, perfectly put together team and vast assets left. Literally, if OKC plays their cards right they are a dynasty for the upcoming 8-10 years...they should win at least 3-4 titles.

99% of Knick fans would probably trade rosters with OKC and they have like 10!!! tradable FRPs left.

In hindsight, passing on the 11th pick of the 2022 draft for two picks in the 16-22 range in the 2025 draft and 2 Washington 2nds wasn’t a good move.

Could you imagine the vibes around this team if we had Jalen Williams as a third year all-star making 30% of what Bridges makes with control of all our future draft capital. Frankly, we probably would have had OG on a better contract the way the summer played out if our hand wasn’t forced post Bridges trade.

Not to pile on Bridges here, and we don’t know if Williams or Brunson for that matter would have developed the same if they ended up on the same team. But drafting and developing your own guys always puts you in a better position than paying a premium (or in bridges case a premium and then some) for other teams guys.

I actually would go even further and say you won't win a title if you don't have 2 starters drafted and developed by yourself....almost all title teams had that...maybe with the exception of the Lakers who always seem to get gifted a superstar every 5-7 years.

[8516knicks]

Our shot at Turner was at the deadline. He’ll become a free agent this summer.

We’ll be under the 2nd apron which will allow us to aggregate players in a sign and trade.

I’d take him in a heartbeat, but I don’t see it happening. Mitch is pretty good actually… for starters, I’d love for us to change starters.

"Mitch is pretty good actually" That might be past tense now. Plus it's only good at best for maybe 40 games a year.

[spree2kawhi]

We’ll be under the 2nd apron which will allow us to aggregate players in a sign and trade.

I’d take him in a heartbeat, but I don’t see it happening. Mitch is pretty good actually… for starters, I’d love for us to change starters.

"Mitch is pretty good actually" That might be past tense now. Plus it's only good at best for maybe 40 games a year.

At least he’s back. I would’ve loved to get Kessler (and Sexton) but it seems like that wasn’t on the table. At his best, Mitch is also a lot better than Kessler and most other names we’ve heard. Turner and Adebayo would be upgrades, but at what cost? I don’t see much else out there, so I think I might rather roll with Mitch at 12 million next year.

[spree2kawhi]

We won't do this, but since we have Bridges, probably the wisest thing to do is to move OG for multiple pieces.
Since Mavericks seem to love defensive guys, perhaps OG for Gafford, Martin, additional assets?

OG is a beast. I wouldn’t trade him at all.

[Jalen Bluntson]

We won't do this, but since we have Bridges, probably the wisest thing to do is to move OG for multiple pieces.
Since Mavericks seem to love defensive guys, perhaps OG for Gafford, Martin, additional assets?

OG is a beast. I wouldn’t trade him at all.

Let's just keep flipping the roster over every season and never build any continuity at all. That's what all of the successful teams do.

[WaltFrazier]

Mikal and Robinson for Sabonis?

Hart and Robinson for Myles Turner and if we’re lucky KAT for Giannis

I would hold onto Mikal for a better trade down the road.

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Giannis
Turner

Our shot at Turner was at the deadline. He’ll become a free agent this summer.

Is sign and trade an option?

[WaltFrazier]

I’d take him in a heartbeat, but I don’t see it happening. Mitch is pretty good actually… for starters, I’d love for us to change starters.

"Mitch is pretty good actually" That might be past tense now. Plus it's only good at best for maybe 40 games a year.

At least he’s back. I would’ve loved to get Kessler (and Sexton) but it seems like that wasn’t on the table. At his best, Mitch is also a lot better than Kessler and most other names we’ve heard. Turner and Adebayo would be upgrades, but at what cost? I don’t see much else out there, so I think I might rather roll with Mitch at 12 million next year.

Poeltl is close to iHart and would be a good add but not sure the cost or if Raptors even want to move him anymore