Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion

[WaltFrazier]

Looks like Divo is coming back this summer

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[Richard4444]

I agree that punting the draft picks was silly. The ones that bother me are the ones we drafted for other teams basically. Duren is one of them for sure. That was a couple of years back and we had Shart and Mitch at the time. So I get their line of thinking even though I disagree.

We have a really good team though. The HC is a dopey fuq but, the roster has plenty of talent and more depth than people believe. Thibs is a problem. More than the picks we let get away IMO. Time to see what his genius coaching looks like with Mitch back...after we get Jalen back and...hoping we don't lose anyone else to injury.

I agree with your sentiment. One small correction though: Keep in mind the draft 2022 was held on the 24th of June and we signed Hartenstein 3 weeks later in free agency. Don't know if there was already some sort of agreement in place at the draft but at that point we only had Mitch under contract.

Also keep in mind that AT THAT point Hartenstein's best season was 8points/5rebounds....he was nowhere near last season's or this seasons level of play. Duren in his rookie season averaged 9points/9rebounds in just 25minutes (while Hartenstein got 5points/7rebounds with us) and then Duren got 14points/12rebounds last season. My point being, management seriously underestimated Duren's ability because they likely thought "He'll be only a rookie".....same with other drafts. And it may be unfair, but I tie some of it to Thibs too for his demand for veterans and unwillingness to develop players. Like you, I do like our roster but feel the upside is somewhat limited. Look at OKC, perfectly put together team and vast assets left. Literally, if OKC plays their cards right they are a dynasty for the upcoming 8-10 years...they should win at least 3-4 titles.

99% of Knick fans would probably trade rosters with OKC and they have like 10!!! tradable FRPs left.

In hindsight, passing on the 11th pick of the 2022 draft for two picks in the 16-22 range in the 2025 draft and 2 Washington 2nds wasn’t a good move.

Could you imagine the vibes around this team if we had Jalen Williams as a third year all-star making 30% of what Bridges makes with control of all our future draft capital. Frankly, we probably would have had OG on a better contract the way the summer played out if our hand wasn’t forced post Bridges trade.

Not to pile on Bridges here, and we don’t know if Williams or Brunson for that matter would have developed the same if they ended up on the same team. But drafting and developing your own guys always puts you in a better position than paying a premium (or in bridges case a premium and then some) for other teams guys.

We traded the 11pick plus 4 Seconds (picks 39, 41, 53 and 53) for $18 million in cap space (needed to sign Brunson and IHart) plus Detroit pick (currently 17 pick), Washington pick (probably 2 seconds next season) and Bucks pick (currently 19 pick).

In addition, it is very optimistic to think the Knicks would get the best player available (JDub) at 11 pick. We could get someone very green like Duren or Williams or a scrub like Dieng.

Also by getting a 4,3M rookie, we would not have enough cap space to sign Brunson and IHart.

[8516knicks]

Looks like Divo is coming back this summer

Watch on YouTube

Just 'cause it's fun to see it again in this injury plagued period.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ygkLxBNsuqU

[Richard4444]

I agree with your sentiment. One small correction though: Keep in mind the draft 2022 was held on the 24th of June and we signed Hartenstein 3 weeks later in free agency. Don't know if there was already some sort of agreement in place at the draft but at that point we only had Mitch under contract.

Also keep in mind that AT THAT point Hartenstein's best season was 8points/5rebounds....he was nowhere near last season's or this seasons level of play. Duren in his rookie season averaged 9points/9rebounds in just 25minutes (while Hartenstein got 5points/7rebounds with us) and then Duren got 14points/12rebounds last season. My point being, management seriously underestimated Duren's ability because they likely thought "He'll be only a rookie".....same with other drafts. And it may be unfair, but I tie some of it to Thibs too for his demand for veterans and unwillingness to develop players. Like you, I do like our roster but feel the upside is somewhat limited. Look at OKC, perfectly put together team and vast assets left. Literally, if OKC plays their cards right they are a dynasty for the upcoming 8-10 years...they should win at least 3-4 titles.

99% of Knick fans would probably trade rosters with OKC and they have like 10!!! tradable FRPs left.

In hindsight, passing on the 11th pick of the 2022 draft for two picks in the 16-22 range in the 2025 draft and 2 Washington 2nds wasn’t a good move.

Could you imagine the vibes around this team if we had Jalen Williams as a third year all-star making 30% of what Bridges makes with control of all our future draft capital. Frankly, we probably would have had OG on a better contract the way the summer played out if our hand wasn’t forced post Bridges trade.

Not to pile on Bridges here, and we don’t know if Williams or Brunson for that matter would have developed the same if they ended up on the same team. But drafting and developing your own guys always puts you in a better position than paying a premium (or in bridges case a premium and then some) for other teams guys.

I actually would go even further and say you won't win a title if you don't have 2 starters drafted and developed by yourself....almost all title teams had that...maybe with the exception of the Lakers who always seem to get gifted a superstar every 5-7 years.

You are right if you think about how hard is to get a premium no-washed star outside the draft without using all of your assets in the trade. That is the reason champions usually have 1 or 2 own drafted players in their rosters.

But the Knicks got the impossible. They got 2 premium stars without paying to much for them.

If you analyze cap management-wise, getting a star via draft is pretty much the same as getting via FA or trade. You end up paying the same money.

Unless the player turns into a star when they still have a rookie contract. But a rookie star is very hard to get.

[WaltFrazier]

Looks like Divo is coming back this summer

Watch on YouTube

Just 'cause it's fun to see it again in this injury plagued period.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ygkLxBNsuqU

Set the Knicks single season mark for made threes, doesn't get mentioned enough

[nykballa2k4]

Looks like Divo is coming back this summer

Watch on YouTube

Just 'cause it's fun to see it again in this injury plagued period.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ygkLxBNsuqU

Set the Knicks single season mark for made threes, doesn't get mentioned enough

Yup, passed Fournier to do it.

[nykballa2k4]

We won't do this, but since we have Bridges, probably the wisest thing to do is to move OG for multiple pieces.
Since Mavericks seem to love defensive guys, perhaps OG for Gafford, Martin, additional assets?

OG is a beast. I wouldn’t trade him at all.

Let's just keep flipping the roster over every season and never build any continuity at all. That's what all of the successful teams do.

Just saying.
We are not moving KAT, Bridges (unless he wants out), Brunson, Hart.
Probably not moving Mitch (we could, but we would need enough positive value coming back).
OG is the only real salary we have on our books to use for a real trade.
Other than that it's Deuce, Kolek, Huk, Pac, and assuming that it's Tucker, we probably give him (or whoever) a team option for next year as a player to put into a trade.

[spree2kawhi]

"Mitch is pretty good actually" That might be past tense now. Plus it's only good at best for maybe 40 games a year.

At least he’s back. I would’ve loved to get Kessler (and Sexton) but it seems like that wasn’t on the table. At his best, Mitch is also a lot better than Kessler and most other names we’ve heard. Turner and Adebayo would be upgrades, but at what cost? I don’t see much else out there, so I think I might rather roll with Mitch at 12 million next year.

Poeltl is close to iHart and would be a good add but not sure the cost or if Raptors even want to move him anymore

Yeah he’d be ideal. He’s even better than Hartenstein.

[spree2kawhi]

OG is a beast. I wouldn’t trade him at all.

Let's just keep flipping the roster over every season and never build any continuity at all. That's what all of the successful teams do.

Just saying.
We are not moving KAT, Bridges (unless he wants out), Brunson, Hart.
Probably not moving Mitch (we could, but we would need enough positive value coming back).
OG is the only real salary we have on our books to use for a real trade.
Other than that it's Deuce, Kolek, Huk, Pac, and assuming that it's Tucker, we probably give him (or whoever) a team option for next year as a player to put into a trade.

I see, but our point is (and will remain) that we should let this grow.

[spree2kawhi]

Just 'cause it's fun to see it again in this injury plagued period.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ygkLxBNsuqU

Set the Knicks single season mark for made threes, doesn't get mentioned enough

Yup, passed Fournier to do it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

OG is a beast. I wouldn’t trade him at all.

Let's just keep flipping the roster over every season and never build any continuity at all. That's what all of the successful teams do.

Just saying.
We are not moving KAT, Bridges (unless he wants out), Brunson, Hart.
Probably not moving Mitch (we could, but we would need enough positive value coming back).
OG is the only real salary we have on our books to use for a real trade.
Other than that it's Deuce, Kolek, Huk, Pac, and assuming that it's Tucker, we probably give him (or whoever) a team option for next year as a player to put into a trade.

If a star trade pops up we can discuss it then but, keeping the core together and improving the depth should be the focus right now. Look at the top 3 teams that we can't beat. They have been together multiple seasons and it has been the difference. Coaching change in Cleveland is what put them over the hump on top of it. Maybe we should follow that path for more than one season.

[nykballa2k4]

Let's just keep flipping the roster over every season and never build any continuity at all. That's what all of the successful teams do.

Just saying.
We are not moving KAT, Bridges (unless he wants out), Brunson, Hart.
Probably not moving Mitch (we could, but we would need enough positive value coming back).
OG is the only real salary we have on our books to use for a real trade.
Other than that it's Deuce, Kolek, Huk, Pac, and assuming that it's Tucker, we probably give him (or whoever) a team option for next year as a player to put into a trade.

I see, but our point is (and will remain) that we should let this grow.

I mean, it depends. I would like to let it grow, but I also think we need Mitch, and we need more players like Mitch on the team, we need three rim protecting C's on the roster. Huk is still unproven. We probably cannot afford to sign a more established guy. I like my idea of signing Samson Johnson from Uconn to a 2-way deal, but that doesn't really answer our problems.

I am not really wanting to have a lot of player movement, but I will say I feel a little unsettled by the current roster.

[spree2kawhi]

For next season, the Knicks have 190 mil on the books, all other contracts expire. Does that open any doors?

[nykballa2k4]

For next season, the Knicks have 190 mil on the books, all other contracts expire. Does that open any doors?

Second apron is 207M

That's 17M to fill the roster and keep some space for waiver pick ups end of season.

It's a tight squeeze.

[Richard4444]

For next season, the Knicks have 190 mil on the books, all other contracts expire. Does that open any doors?

Second apron is 207M

That's 17M to fill the roster and keep some space for waiver pick ups end of season.

It's a tight squeeze.

Probably, we have to choose between Precious or a Tax MLE FA.

Then, we will sign min agents or second-rounders with the remaining amount.

[Jalen Bluntson]

For next season, the Knicks have 190 mil on the books, all other contracts expire. Does that open any doors?

Second apron is 207M

That's 17M to fill the roster and keep some space for waiver pick ups end of season.

It's a tight squeeze.

Ten players under contract. Precious/Payne/Shamet/Tucker will need to be replaced at a minimum.

[WaltFrazier]

For next season, the Knicks have 190 mil on the books, all other contracts expire. Does that open any doors?

Second apron is 207M

That's 17M to fill the roster and keep some space for waiver pick ups end of season.

It's a tight squeeze.

Ten players under contract. Precious/Payne/Shamet/Tucker will need to be replaced at a minimum.

Is Tucker on his second 10 day yet? Is he even in the mix to be "replaced" next year?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Second apron is 207M

That's 17M to fill the roster and keep some space for waiver pick ups end of season.

It's a tight squeeze.

Ten players under contract. Precious/Payne/Shamet/Tucker will need to be replaced at a minimum.

Is Tucker on his second 10 day yet? Is he even in the mix to be "replaced" next year?

Need at least 14 regular contracts. Yes Tucker got his second ten day. It counts as a regular contract that will need to be replaced. We may yet replace him this season but, for now he is on the list of roster spots we need to spend that 17mil on.

[nykballa2k4]

For next season, the Knicks have 190 mil on the books, all other contracts expire. Does that open any doors?

Second apron is 207M

That's 17M to fill the roster and keep some space for waiver pick ups end of season.

It's a tight squeeze.

Probably, we have to choose between Precious or a Tax MLE FA.

Then, we will sign min agents or second-rounders with the remaining amount.

We have his early bird rights no? I expect he will be back, but this FO is very creative, they had him as a last second signing last summer (though we all expected it).

[Jalen Bluntson]

Second apron is 207M

That's 17M to fill the roster and keep some space for waiver pick ups end of season.

It's a tight squeeze.

Probably, we have to choose between Precious or a Tax MLE FA.

Then, we will sign min agents or second-rounders with the remaining amount.

We have his early bird rights no? I expect he will be back, but this FO is very creative, they had him as a last second signing last summer (though we all expected it).

Full Bird Rights I believe because we got him in the OG trade and re-signed him.