ESPN Net Points Vest and Dunce Thread

Post #101 » by **eyriq** » Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:57 pm

Net Points understands Paolo's impact while On-Off fails to do so. Amazing what controlling for rotations and opposition quality will do for a metric.

Post #102 » by **eyriq** » Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:05 pm

80/20 rule highlights 7 players:

Franz, Paolo, Goga, WCJ, Moe, KCP, AB

Moe being in this list is wild.

Suggs not being an impact player is fascinating, another red flag

pepe1991 · Post #103 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:09 am

eyriq wrote:Net Points understands Paolo's impact while On-Off fails to do so. Amazing what controlling for rotations and opposition quality will do for a metric.

Does net point really "understands Paolo impact" ?

Guy is 70th on the list, behind, Steward, Adebayo, Naz Reid, Steven Adams etc.
His offensive net points makes him 90th best player.
Defense- 79th.

Post #104 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:42 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Net Points understands Paolo's impact while On-Off fails to do so. Amazing what controlling for rotations and opposition quality will do for a metric.

Does net point really "understands Paolo impact" ?

Guy is 70th on the list, behind, Steward, Adebayo, Naz Reid, Steven Adams etc.
His offensive net points makes him 90th best player.
Defense- 79th.

It does. He sucked post injury and this captured that.

Edit: his return was hyped up with the undertaker bit yet he was more zombie than superstar and sucked pretty badly.

Post #105 » by **Knightro** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 3:14 am

UPDATE 3/25

Win 34 Los Angeles
3 Black
2 Franz
1 KCP

Win 35 Charlotte
3 Black
2 Paolo
1 Harris

VESTS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 7
Paolo 6
Goga 5
Black 5
Carter 4
KCP 3
Isaac 2
Moritz 2
TDS 1
Cole 1
Suggs 0
Queen 0

CUMMERBUNDS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 9
Moritz 4
KCP 4
Paolo 3
Carter 2
TDS 2
Goga 2
Isaac 2
Suggs 2
Black 2
Cole 1
Harris 1

MITTENS VIA NET POINTS
Goga 4
Isaac 4
Suggs 3
Moritz 3
Carter 3
Paolo 2
TDS 2
Queen 2
Franz 2
Black 2
Harris 2
KCP 2
Jett 1
Houstan 1
Joseph 1
Cole 1

Season Standings Via Net Points (3-2-1 scale)
Franz - 41
Paolo - 26
Goga - 23
Black - 21
Carter - 19
KCP - 18
Moritz - 17
Isaac - 14
TDS - 9
Suggs - 7
Cole - 6
Harris - 4
Queen - 2
Jett - 1
Houstan - 1
Joseph - 1

Dunce Caps
Paolo: 8
Cole: 7
KCP: 6
Black: 6
Da Silva: 3
Suggs: 2
Queen: 1
Harris: 1
Carter: 1
Moritz: 1
Jett: 1
Franz: 1

Dunce Cummerbunds
Franz: 5
Da Silva: 5
Carter: 4
Black: 4
KCP: 4
Isaac: 3
Goga: 2
Moritz: 2
Cole: 2
Houstan: 2
Queen: 2
Harris: 2
CoJo: 1

Dunce Mittens
Black: 9
Jett: 4
Harris: 4
KCP: 4
Da Silva: 3
Carter: 3
Paolo: 2
Goga: 2
Franz: 1
Houstan: 1
Queen: 1
Cole: 1
Suggs: 1
Isaac: 1
CoJo: 1

Total Dunce Points
Black -35
KCP -30
Paolo -26
Cole -26
Da Silva -22
Carter -14
Franz -14
Harris -11
Queen -8
Moritz -7
Jett -7
Isaac -7
Goga -6
Suggs -6
Houstan -5
CoJo -3

Vest to Dunce Net Ratio
Franz +27
Goga +17
Moritz +10
Isaac +7
Carter +4
Suggs +1
Joseph -2
Paolo -3
Houstan -5
Queen -6
Jett -6
Harris -7
Da Silva -13
KCP -14
Black -14
Cole -20

Post #106 » by **eyriq** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 4:06 am

Back to back vests for AB? Is this anything?

Post #107 » by **Knightro** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 4:59 am

eyriq wrote:Back to back vests for AB? Is this anything?

He's moved out of DEAD LAST in Vest to Dunce Net Ratio too :lol:

Post #108 » by **eyriq** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:44 am

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Back to back vests for AB? Is this anything?

He's moved out of DEAD LAST in Vest to Dunce Net Ratio too

Left Cole in the dust

JoshuaPotter · Post #109 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:11 pm

Skybox sent me here and now I have to read. Big sad.

JoshuaPotter · Post #110 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:13 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Back to back vests for AB? Is this anything?

He's moved out of DEAD LAST in Vest to Dunce Net Ratio too

I definitely think just at first glance that this thing is accurate regarding Black. Sophmore player that just hasn't done well and iirc has logged the most minutes in the backcourt struggling for real depth.

Black has "had the opportunity" and mostly not delivered consistently. This reflects that. At the same time, Black is on a hot streak. So well see where it goes.

The challenge is we can't undo what dunce points already made.

Post #111 » by **eyriq** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:19 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Back to back vests for AB? Is this anything?

He's moved out of DEAD LAST in Vest to Dunce Net Ratio too

I definitely think just at first glance that this thing is accurate regarding Black. Sophmore player that just hasn't done well and iirc has logged the most minutes in the backcourt struggling for real depth.

Black has "had the opportunity" and mostly not delivered consistently. This reflects that. At the same time, Black is on a hot streak. So well see where it goes.

The challenge is we can't undo what dunce points already made.

He was put in the deep end by design, injuries just made it much deeper than anticipated.

JoshuaPotter · Post #112 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:46 pm

eyriq wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
Knightro wrote:
He's moved out of DEAD LAST in Vest to Dunce Net Ratio too

I definitely think just at first glance that this thing is accurate regarding Black. Sophmore player that just hasn't done well and iirc has logged the most minutes in the backcourt struggling for real depth.

Black has "had the opportunity" and mostly not delivered consistently. This reflects that. At the same time, Black is on a hot streak. So well see where it goes.

The challenge is we can't undo what dunce points already made.
He was put in the deep end by design, injuries just made it much deeper than anticipated.

If you wanted a bigger indicating of what this this comparison is telling us.

KCP/ Franz / Black are your top 3 in minutes logged in order thus far. One should be able to conclude very quickly.

KCP + Black should not have been in our top 3 minutes played. If we look backward on their careers I do not think we see that at all. In terms of shares and i'm not sure how I can look at it....

KCP at 2000 minutes Black at 1600 minutes. Rounded down against their "nearest guard" at 1100 minutes. I'm not trying to make any excuses for KCP + Black as both from my perspective have had many, many lows this season. At the same time, something besides injury happened.

This context gets worse when you see Gary Harris and Houstan have only logged 600 minutes each.

Post #113 » by **eyriq** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 12:07 pm

Knightro wrote:UPDATE 3/25

Win 34 Los Angeles
3 Black
2 Franz
1 KCP

Win 35 Charlotte
3 Black
2 Paolo
1 Harris

VESTS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 7
Paolo 6
Goga 5
Black 5
Carter 4
KCP 3
Isaac 2
Moritz 2
TDS 1
Cole 1
Suggs 0
Queen 0

CUMMERBUNDS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 9
Moritz 4
KCP 4
Paolo 3
Carter 2
TDS 2
Goga 2
Isaac 2
Suggs 2
Black 2
Cole 1
Harris 1

MITTENS VIA NET POINTS
Goga 4
Isaac 4
Suggs 3
Moritz 3
Carter 3
Paolo 2
TDS 2
Queen 2
Franz 2
Black 2
Harris 2
KCP 2
Jett 1
Houstan 1
Joseph 1
Cole 1

Season Standings Via Net Points (3-2-1 scale)
Franz - 41
Paolo - 26
Goga - 23
Black - 21
Carter - 19
KCP - 18
Moritz - 17
Isaac - 14
TDS - 9
Suggs - 7
Cole - 6
Harris - 4
Queen - 2
Jett - 1
Houstan - 1
Joseph - 1

Dunce Caps
Paolo: 8
Cole: 7
KCP: 6
Black: 6
Da Silva: 3
Suggs: 2
Queen: 1
Harris: 1
Carter: 1
Moritz: 1
Jett: 1
Franz: 1

Dunce Cummerbunds
Franz: 5
Da Silva: 5
Carter: 4
Black: 4
KCP: 4
Isaac: 3
Goga: 2
Moritz: 2
Cole: 2
Houstan: 2
Queen: 2
Harris: 2
CoJo: 1

Dunce Mittens
Black: 9
Jett: 4
Harris: 4
KCP: 4
Da Silva: 3
Carter: 3
Paolo: 2
Goga: 2
Franz: 1
Houstan: 1
Queen: 1
Cole: 1
Suggs: 1
Isaac: 1
CoJo: 1

Total Dunce Points
Black -35
KCP -30
Paolo -26
Cole -26
Da Silva -22
Carter -14
Franz -14
Harris -11
Queen -8
Moritz -7
Jett -7
Isaac -7
Goga -6
Suggs -6
Houstan -5
CoJo -3

Vest to Dunce Net Ratio
Franz +27
Goga +17
Moritz +10
Isaac +7
Carter +4
Suggs +1
Joseph -2
Paolo -3
Houstan -5
Queen -6
Jett -6
Harris -7
Da Silva -13
KCP -14
Black -14
Cole -20

Tracking this is a national treasure

basketballRob · Post #114 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 12:19 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Back to back vests for AB? Is this anything?

He's moved out of DEAD LAST in Vest to Dunce Net Ratio too

I definitely think just at first glance that this thing is accurate regarding Black. Sophmore player that just hasn't done well and iirc has logged the most minutes in the backcourt struggling for real depth.

Black has "had the opportunity" and mostly not delivered consistently. This reflects that. At the same time, Black is on a hot streak. So well see where it goes.

The challenge is we can't undo what dunce points already made.

It's almost like AB is getting better. Hopefully, he keeps it up and finishes the season on a high note and brings that confidence into next season.

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Post #115 » by **Knightro** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:05 pm

Dallas loss

-3 Franz
-2 KCP
-1 Houstan

Dunce Caps
Paolo: 8
Cole: 7
KCP: 6
Black: 6
Da Silva: 3
Suggs: 2
Franz: 2
Queen: 1
Harris: 1
Carter: 1
Moritz: 1
Jett: 1

Dunce Cummerbunds
Franz: 5
Da Silva: 5
KCP: 5
Carter: 4
Black: 4
Isaac: 3
Goga: 2
Moritz: 2
Cole: 2
Houstan: 2
Queen: 2
Harris: 2
CoJo: 1

Dunce Mittens
Black: 9
Jett: 4
Harris: 4
KCP: 4
Da Silva: 3
Carter: 3
Paolo: 2
Goga: 2
Houstan: 2
Franz: 1
Queen: 1
Cole: 1
Suggs: 1
Isaac: 1
CoJo: 1

Total Dunce Points
Black -35
KCP -32
Paolo -26
Cole -26
Da Silva -22
Franz -17
Carter -14
Harris -11
Queen -8
Moritz -7
Jett -7
Isaac -7
Goga -6
Suggs -6
Houstan -6
CoJo -3

Vest to Dunce Net Ratio
Franz +24
Goga +17
Moritz +10
Isaac +7
Carter +4
Suggs +1
Joseph -2
Paolo -3
Houstan -6
Queen -6
Jett -6
Harris -7
Da Silva -13
Black -14
KCP -16
Cole -20

Post #116 » by **eyriq** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 9:11 pm

Need Paolo to get that net impact into positive territory

Post #117 » by **Knightro** » Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:57 am

Win 36 v. Sacramento

3 - Carter
2 - Houstan
1 - Franz

VESTS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 7
Paolo 6
Goga 5
Black 5
Carter 5
KCP 3
Isaac 2
Moritz 2
TDS 1
Cole 1

CUMMERBUNDS VIA NET POINTS
Franz 9
Moritz 4
KCP 4
Paolo 3
Carter 2
TDS 2
Goga 2
Isaac 2
Suggs 2
Black 2
Cole 1
Harris 1
Houstan 1

MITTENS VIA NET POINTS
Goga 4
Isaac 4
Suggs 3
Moritz 3
Carter 3
Franz 3
Paolo 2
TDS 2
Queen 2
Black 2
Harris 2
KCP 2
Jett 1
Houstan 1
Joseph 1
Cole 1

Season Standings Via Net Points (3-2-1 scale)
Franz - 42
Paolo - 26
Goga - 23
Carter - 22
Black - 21
KCP - 18
Moritz - 17
Isaac - 14
TDS - 9
Suggs - 7
Cole - 6
Harris - 4
Houstan - 3
Queen - 2
Jett - 1
Joseph - 1

Vest to Dunce Net Ratio
Franz +25
Goga +17
Moritz +10
Isaac +7
Carter +7
Suggs +1
Joseph -2
Paolo -3
Houstan -4
Queen -6
Jett -6
Harris -7
Da Silva -13
Black -14
KCP -16
Cole -20

Post #118 » by **eyriq** » Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:58 am

Put some respect on WCJ's name!

Skybox · Post #119 » by **Skybox** » Sun Mar 30, 2025 11:03 am

Caleb dominated last night’s vest vote…that should settle the “definition” debate.

* he far exceeded his expected performance and got rewarded

Post #120 » by **eyriq** » Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:40 pm

Cleveland series

Game 1 loss:
-3 Suggs
-2 Harris
-1 Paolo

Game 2 loss
-3 JI
-2 Cole
-1 Franz

Game 3 win
+3 Suggs
+2 Paolo
+1 Franz

Game 4 win
+3 Franz
+2 JI
+1 Moritz

Game 5 loss
-3 Harris
-2 Cole
-1 Franz

Game 6 win
+3 Franz
+2 Suggs
+1 Cole

Game 7 loss
-3 Suggs
-2 Franz
-1 JI

Vest points
Franz 7
Suggs 5
Paolo 2
JI 2
Moritz 1
Cole 1

Dunce points
Suggs -6
Harris -5
Cole -4
JI -4
Franz -4
Paolo -1

Net (Vest - Dunce)
Franz +3
Paolo +1
Moritz +1
Suggs -1
JI -2
Cole -3
Harris -5