Ace Bailey

[Chi town]

Ace doesn’t even need a handle when he plays like Klay.

I think he will develop a handle by year 3. First couple years will be mostly shooting and transition.

[tontoz]

For January Ace averaged 24/8 with a TS of 60.6%. The scary part is this included games where he shot 3-16 and 4-17.

[clyde21]

i think those types of games will naturally come with his package, you're gonnna have to live with those because you hope the highs will be extremely high

[tontoz]

i think those types of games will naturally come with his package, you're gonnna have to live with those because you hope the highs will be extremely high

Looks like I put the hex on him.

[azcatz11]

i think those types of games will naturally come with his package, you're gonnna have to live with those because you hope the highs will be extremely high

Looks like I put the hex on him.

Rutgers can beat anyone in the country or lose by 20 at home to Kent St. crazy team

[BigGargamel]

Easily a top five pick to me. You're going to have to accept his warts and that he's not close to a finished package, but I don't think you can convince yourself there are better players available when the top few guys are off the board.

[vincecarter4pres]

Easily a top five pick to me. You're going to have to accept his warts and that he's not close to a finished package, but I don't think you can convince yourself there are better players available when the top few guys are off the board.

I just don’t see anything at this point where you can take him later than literally 4, and really 3 tbh.

I’m still saying he’s 2nd off the board in all likelihood, but you never know.

[JustBuzzin]

His defensive potential is being ignored because he's a good scorer. He has the highest potential of anyone in the draft imo.

I think #2 will depend on the team who has that pick. It's literally a toss up Bailey or Harper at #2.

[azcatz11]

I’m still bullish on Bailey but he doesn’t dominate like Jabari and that scares me. But at the same time I think he’s growing into his body. His movement is awkward.

[tontoz]

His defensive potential is being ignored because he's a good scorer. He has the highest potential of anyone in the draft imo.

I think #2 will depend on the team who has that pick. It's literally a toss up Bailey or Harper at #2.

I would bet that Ace has gotten more blocks on 3 pt attempts than anyone in college.

I think Harper is the clear number 2 though. His ability to break down the defense, get to the rim and finish puts a lot of pressure on the defense and isn't subject to the variance of 3 pt shooting.

[JustBuzzin]

His defensive potential is being ignored because he's a good scorer. He has the highest potential of anyone in the draft imo.

I think #2 will depend on the team who has that pick. It's literally a toss up Bailey or Harper at #2.

I would bet that Ace has gotten more blocks on 3 pt attempts than anyone in college.

I think Harper is the clear number 2 though. His ability to break down the defense, get to the rim and finish puts a lot of pressure on the defense and isn't subject to the variance of 3 pt shooting.

Yeah Harper looked like himself last game.

I still think Flagg/Harper/Bailey are the clear cream of the crop prospects. I think all 3 have all-star potential and Flagg/Harper have superstar potential imo.

Should be a great draft.

[prime1time]

I don't get the hate for Ace. His offensive skill is already so advanced. We can criticize the shot selection but he shoots better from 2 than Brandon Miller and Jayson Tatum did in college. And this is on a team with no floor spacing. I've seen Beasley comps and Melo comps. Melo was a great player and Beasley had off the court issues. In a draft where the vast majority of players don't have star Bailey dropping to the second half of the lottery is insane. The kid is only 18. This is the worst he's going to be. In 3 or 4 years, he's going to nearly impossible to stop. And he also has two way potential. What am I missing here? Why are people so low on him? Because Rutgers wasn't good?

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[prime1time]

His defensive potential is being ignored because he's a good scorer. He has the highest potential of anyone in the draft imo.

I think #2 will depend on the team who has that pick. It's literally a toss up Bailey or Harper at #2.

I would bet that Ace has gotten more blocks on 3 pt attempts than anyone in college.

I think Harper is the clear number 2 though. His ability to break down the defense, get to the rim and finish puts a lot of pressure on the defense and isn't subject to the variance of 3 pt shooting.

Yeah Harper looked like himself last game.

I still think Flagg/Harper/Bailey are the clear cream of the crop prospects. I think all 3 have all-star potential and Flagg/Harper have superstar potential imo.

Should be a great draft.

Why doesn't Bailey have Superstar potential? Who's consistently stopping a prime Ace Bailey in a one-on-one situation? At 18 he already has one dribble pull-up, two dribble pull-up, pro-hop, eurostep, finish with both hands, one leg fadeaway, normal turn around fadeaway, baby hook, he can come off screens, he can shoot on the move. From a scoring perspective it would probably be easier to say what Bailey couldn't do than what he can do. He's as skilled as an offensive player I've ever seen in college. If he adds muscle to his frame he's going to be an absolute nightmare. In the modern NBA you can't touch anyone. There's vastly more contact in college than in the NBA. And teams exploited Rutgers lack of spacing to overload the defense onto Ace.

This isn't Jabari Smith. Jabari Smith shot 42% from college on 2's. Ace shot 51.1% on 2's. It's not even Brandon Miller. This season Miller attempted 11 3's a game and hasn't figured out how to operate inside the 2-point line. In college Miller shot 48.3% from 2. Let me remind you that both Smith and Miller had great college teams. I get it. Ace isn't KD. But you can't possibly tell me he doesn't have superstar potential at 18. What was Kawhi doing at 18? What was Paul George doing at 18? What was Tatum doing at 18? What was Butler doing at 18? Now he's not a lock but what am I missing? Line up every star forward in the last 15 years. How many of them were better than Ace at 18?

[JustBuzzin]

I would bet that Ace has gotten more blocks on 3 pt attempts than anyone in college.

I think Harper is the clear number 2 though. His ability to break down the defense, get to the rim and finish puts a lot of pressure on the defense and isn't subject to the variance of 3 pt shooting.

Yeah Harper looked like himself last game.

I still think Flagg/Harper/Bailey are the clear cream of the crop prospects. I think all 3 have all-star potential and Flagg/Harper have superstar potential imo.

Should be a great draft.

Why doesn't Bailey have Superstar potential? Who's consistently stopping a prime Ace Bailey in a one-on-one situation? At 18 he already has one dribble pull-up, two dribble pull-up, pro-hop, eurostep, finish with both hands, one leg fadeaway, normal turn around fadeaway, baby hook, he can come off screens, he can shoot on the move. From a scoring perspective it would probably be easier to say what Bailey couldn't do than what he can do. He's as skilled as an offensive player I've ever seen in college. If he adds muscle to his frame he's going to be an absolute nightmare. In the modern NBA you can't touch anyone. There's vastly more contact in college than in the NBA. And teams exploited Rutgers lack of spacing to overload the defense onto Ace.

This isn't Jabari Smith. Jabari Smith shot 42% from college on 2's. Ace shot 51.1% on 2's. It's not even Brandon Miller. This season Miller attempted 11 3's a game and hasn't figured out how to operate inside the 2-point line. In college Miller shot 48.3% from 2. Let me remind you that both Smith and Miller had great college teams. I get it. Ace isn't KD. But you can't possibly tell me he doesn't have superstar potential at 18. What was Kawhi doing at 18? What was Paul George doing at 18? What was Tatum doing at 18? What was Butler doing at 18? Now he's not a lock but what am I missing? Line up every star forward in the last 15 years. How many of them were better than Ace at 18?

Why are you quoting me as if I disrespected Ace Bailey lol

[tontoz]

Why doesn't Bailey have Superstar potential?

How many of Bailey's games did you watch? I don't remember you posting about him at all when he was actually playing.

[jasonxxx102]

I don't get the hate for Ace. His offensive skill is already so advanced. We can criticize the shot selection but he shoots better from 2 than Brandon Miller and Jayson Tatum did in college. And this is on a team with no floor spacing. I've seen Beasley comps and Melo comps. Melo was a great player and Beasley had off the court issues. In a draft where the vast majority of players don't have star Bailey dropping to the second half of the lottery is insane. The kid is only 18. This is the worst he's going to be. In 3 or 4 years, he's going to nearly impossible to stop. And he also has two way potential. What am I missing here? Why are people so low on him? Because Rutgers wasn't good?

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He can barely create separation against college defenders, what do you think is gonna happen in the NBA. He has no handle either which doesn't bode well for his shot creation talent at the next level

[prime1time]

Yeah Harper looked like himself last game.

I still think Flagg/Harper/Bailey are the clear cream of the crop prospects. I think all 3 have all-star potential and Flagg/Harper have superstar potential imo.

Should be a great draft.

Why doesn't Bailey have Superstar potential? Who's consistently stopping a prime Ace Bailey in a one-on-one situation? At 18 he already has one dribble pull-up, two dribble pull-up, pro-hop, eurostep, finish with both hands, one leg fadeaway, normal turn around fadeaway, baby hook, he can come off screens, he can shoot on the move. From a scoring perspective it would probably be easier to say what Bailey couldn't do than what he can do. He's as skilled as an offensive player I've ever seen in college. If he adds muscle to his frame he's going to be an absolute nightmare. In the modern NBA you can't touch anyone. There's vastly more contact in college than in the NBA. And teams exploited Rutgers lack of spacing to overload the defense onto Ace.

This isn't Jabari Smith. Jabari Smith shot 42% from college on 2's. Ace shot 51.1% on 2's. It's not even Brandon Miller. This season Miller attempted 11 3's a game and hasn't figured out how to operate inside the 2-point line. In college Miller shot 48.3% from 2. Let me remind you that both Smith and Miller had great college teams. I get it. Ace isn't KD. But you can't possibly tell me he doesn't have superstar potential at 18. What was Kawhi doing at 18? What was Paul George doing at 18? What was Tatum doing at 18? What was Butler doing at 18? Now he's not a lock but what am I missing? Line up every star forward in the last 15 years. How many of them were better than Ace at 18?

Why are you quoting me as if I disrespected Ace Bailey lol

You said he doesn't have superstar potential. Who are you taking Ant coming out of college or Ace?

[prime1time]

I don't get the hate for Ace. His offensive skill is already so advanced. We can criticize the shot selection but he shoots better from 2 than Brandon Miller and Jayson Tatum did in college. And this is on a team with no floor spacing. I've seen Beasley comps and Melo comps. Melo was a great player and Beasley had off the court issues. In a draft where the vast majority of players don't have star Bailey dropping to the second half of the lottery is insane. The kid is only 18. This is the worst he's going to be. In 3 or 4 years, he's going to nearly impossible to stop. And he also has two way potential. What am I missing here? Why are people so low on him? Because Rutgers wasn't good?

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He can barely create separation against college defenders, what do you think is gonna happen in the NBA. He has no handle either which doesn't bode well for his shot creation talent at the next level

Every defense he played against sent multiple defenders at Ace. No one was guarding him one-on-one. His handle can improve look at any all-star wing in the last 15 years. In the NBA with 3-point shooters around him defenders won't have a chance. This take is actually laughable. So you're trying to tell me a prime Ace Bailey won't be able to use a PnR and draw a switch onto Jokic or Sabonis or Myles Turner or a smaller guard and attack? C'mon man.

[prime1time]

Why doesn't Bailey have Superstar potential?

How many of Bailey's games did you watch? I don't remember you posting about him at all when he was actually playing.

I watched Bailey's games because I was scouting Harper. I stopped posting because the Wizards suck and there wasn't anything to talk about until now. People in the NBA don't even play defense. They score like 130 points in a game routinely. I'm I really supposed to believe that Ace can't score? Everyone can score in the NBA. Payton Pritchard is averaging 14 a game. Who would you take 18 year old Jaylen Brown or 18 year old Ace Bailey? The only argument seems to be that Ace is dumb/lazy/won't work on his game. But that wouldn't explain how his game is so advanced as an 18 year old.

[JustBuzzin]

Why doesn't Bailey have Superstar potential? Who's consistently stopping a prime Ace Bailey in a one-on-one situation? At 18 he already has one dribble pull-up, two dribble pull-up, pro-hop, eurostep, finish with both hands, one leg fadeaway, normal turn around fadeaway, baby hook, he can come off screens, he can shoot on the move. From a scoring perspective it would probably be easier to say what Bailey couldn't do than what he can do. He's as skilled as an offensive player I've ever seen in college. If he adds muscle to his frame he's going to be an absolute nightmare. In the modern NBA you can't touch anyone. There's vastly more contact in college than in the NBA. And teams exploited Rutgers lack of spacing to overload the defense onto Ace.

This isn't Jabari Smith. Jabari Smith shot 42% from college on 2's. Ace shot 51.1% on 2's. It's not even Brandon Miller. This season Miller attempted 11 3's a game and hasn't figured out how to operate inside the 2-point line. In college Miller shot 48.3% from 2. Let me remind you that both Smith and Miller had great college teams. I get it. Ace isn't KD. But you can't possibly tell me he doesn't have superstar potential at 18. What was Kawhi doing at 18? What was Paul George doing at 18? What was Tatum doing at 18? What was Butler doing at 18? Now he's not a lock but what am I missing? Line up every star forward in the last 15 years. How many of them were better than Ace at 18?

Why are you quoting me as if I disrespected Ace Bailey lol

You said he doesn't have superstar potential. Who are you taking Ant coming out of college or Ace?

He might have superstar potential. I'm just sure Flagg and Harper have that potential. I clearly put Bailey with them as the top prospects of the draft.

If you looking to defend Bailey I'm the last guy you should be talking to. I literally said he has all-star potential. You took it as a sign of disrespect lol