The Sum of All Jeremiah Fears

[greg4012]

Watching one of the No Ceilings vids today and they pointed out Fears shot only 44% at the rim.

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In halfcourt.

Here's a list of more of this year's guard prospects for context:

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[tontoz]

Harper is a beast. Like most people i have him at 2.

[JMAC3]

Watching one of the No Ceilings vids today and they pointed out Fears shot only 44% at the rim.

Watch on YouTube

In halfcourt.

Here's a list of more of this year's guard prospects for context:

Read on Twitter

I don't think season long stats of Fears are all that important to me, he has 10 games where he was elite this season as an 18 yr old. He also had 10 games where he was putrid, but to me at this age I care more about the highs than the lows.

He carried a very poor Oklahoma team into the dance and almost upset the back to back champs with his teammates shooting 1/14 from 3 and 12/39 from the field.

[EMG518]

I'm in, very young, should be able to add 15lbs easily and he already with his athleticism is able to move bigger players and get to the rim. Seems very competitive and the the shot seems very workable, ft% is high. Type of player that when it comes together can get what ever shot he wants and can be solid defensively.

[Catchall]

He seems to be sneaking into the top 5 on some mocks. I'm not buying it. I like him in the 7-10 range, but he's not a bursty athlete, isn't a dominant shooter or scorer, isn't a dominant passer, etc. He has a nice combination of skills, which gives him the potential to be a starter, but he'll need to become an elite shooter/scorer in order to become a star, imo. There's too much that needs to be projected or imagined right now.

[Chi town]

He seems to be sneaking into the top 5 on some mocks. I'm not buying it. I like him in the 7-10 range, but he's not a bursty athlete, isn't a dominant shooter or scorer, isn't a dominant passer, etc. He has a nice combination of skills, which gives him the potential to be a starter, but he'll need to become an elite shooter/scorer in order to become a star, imo. There's too much that needs to be projected or imagined right now.

Very young.

Elite at getting FTs

[JMAC3]

He seems to be sneaking into the top 5 on some mocks. I'm not buying it. I like him in the 7-10 range, but he's not a bursty athlete, isn't a dominant shooter or scorer, isn't a dominant passer, etc. He has a nice combination of skills, which gives him the potential to be a starter, but he'll need to become an elite shooter/scorer in order to become a star, imo. There's too much that needs to be projected or imagined right now.

I would say most of his game says he has a lot of juice or burst. Hence the 9 dunks, elite free throw rate etc.

[Paradise]

Utah, Washington, New Orleans, Brooklyn all are competing for Fears.

He’s already had a private workout and first netting with the Nets.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Utah, Washington, New Orleans, Brooklyn all are competing for Fears.

He’s already had a private workout and first netting with the Nets.

the only PG needy teams imho are the Bucks, Nets, Suns, Nuggets, Magic, Clippers, Kings, Warriors and Heat. Jazz and Wizards took similarly talented point guards last year and the Pelicans have committed to Dejounte Murray. I do think the Nets will use one of their 4 first round picks on one just not sure it'll be at #8. One of those PG needy teams will likely trade up with teams like the Rockets and Thunder who don't have room for more young players. It may even be the Nets themselves moving up should they use the #8 pick on Essengue or Carter. Nets with four 1st rounders are the most intriguing team in the draft.

[JMAC3]

Utah, Washington, New Orleans, Brooklyn all are competing for Fears.

He’s already had a private workout and first netting with the Nets.

the only PG needy teams imho are the Bucks, Nets, Suns, Nuggets, Magic, Clippers, Kings, Warriors and Heat. Jazz and Wizards took similarly talented point guards last year and the Pelicans have committed to Dejounte Murray. I do think the Nets will use one of their 4 first round picks on one just not sure it'll be at #8. One of those PG needy teams will likely trade up with teams like the Rockets and Thunder who don't have room for more young players. It may even be the Nets themselves moving up should they use the #8 pick on Essengue or Carter. Nets with four 1st rounders are the most intriguing team in the draft.

Overrating guys that haven't even proven to be NBA starters. Bub Carrington and Collier were 3% and 4% overall epm players last year. Collier shot under 46% efg% and Bub was under 50%. They were drafted 14th and 29th in terrible draft classes, Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5. Pelicans were just the 4th worst team in the NBA, might be trading their franchise player, traded away Ingram for peanuts and Murray missed most of the year.

By this logic Pelicans don't need to draft anyone because they already have Dejounte- Herb-Murphy-Zion and Yves. All 5 of those guys are better than Collier.

Toronto passing over a PG because they have Quickley, Grady Dick and Jakobe Walter at guard already is why they are terrible in the first place.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Utah, Washington, New Orleans, Brooklyn all are competing for Fears.

He’s already had a private workout and first netting with the Nets.

the only PG needy teams imho are the Bucks, Nets, Suns, Nuggets, Magic, Clippers, Kings, Warriors and Heat. Jazz and Wizards took similarly talented point guards last year and the Pelicans have committed to Dejounte Murray. I do think the Nets will use one of their 4 first round picks on one just not sure it'll be at #8. One of those PG needy teams will likely trade up with teams like the Rockets and Thunder who don't have room for more young players. It may even be the Nets themselves moving up should they use the #8 pick on Essengue or Carter. Nets with four 1st rounders are the most intriguing team in the draft.

Overrating guys that haven't even proven to be NBA starters. Bub Carrington and Collier were 3% and 4% overall epm players last year. Collier shot under 46% efg% and Bub was under 50%. They were drafted 14th and 29th in terrible draft classes, Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5. Pelicans were just the 4th worst team in the NBA, might be trading their franchise player, traded away Ingram for peanuts and Murray missed most of the year.

By this logic Pelicans don't need to draft anyone because they already have Dejounte- Herb-Murphy-Zion and Yves. All 5 of those guys are better than Collier.

Toronto passing over a PG because they have Quickley, Grady Dick and Jakobe Walter at guard already is why they are terrible in the first place.

yawn, here we go with the "terrible draft class" garbage again. People are still trying to make this a thing? Why are so many incapable of understanding young guys playing with other young guys on tanking teams aren't going to light up box scores and look consistently great as rookies? This is talent evaluation 101 ffs. BPA is determined by who btw? Because you and Givony said so? So if Fears goes 12th is that his BPA or would he still be 5th because that's what you believe?

As a reminder. Here are freshmen seasons comparisons

Fears - 17/4/4 and 28% from three
Collier - 16/3/4 and 34% from three
Carrington - 14/5/4 and 32% from three

tell me more about how "Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5" :lol

oh btw, was Fears ever thought of as a top 3 prospect if not #1 in his class like Collier was for a time? No? Interesting.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I mean, Collier was just terrible last year. He was the best PG on the Jazz's roster and is the only smart player on the roster other than Filipowski (so playing Collier helped the team actually run offense), but that's more on how awful the Jazz's roster is.

Collier needs to shoot at least 35% from three to start in the NBA and he shot 25% and it looked worse.

The Jazz are probably taking Tre, Ace, or Kon, but Fears is certainly possible.

[SkyHook]

If Utah picks him, they will have gone from "Crapper for Cooper" to "Tears for Fears". Does that mean that the Jazz get to rule the world?

[JMAC3]

the only PG needy teams imho are the Bucks, Nets, Suns, Nuggets, Magic, Clippers, Kings, Warriors and Heat. Jazz and Wizards took similarly talented point guards last year and the Pelicans have committed to Dejounte Murray. I do think the Nets will use one of their 4 first round picks on one just not sure it'll be at #8. One of those PG needy teams will likely trade up with teams like the Rockets and Thunder who don't have room for more young players. It may even be the Nets themselves moving up should they use the #8 pick on Essengue or Carter. Nets with four 1st rounders are the most intriguing team in the draft.

Overrating guys that haven't even proven to be NBA starters. Bub Carrington and Collier were 3% and 4% overall epm players last year. Collier shot under 46% efg% and Bub was under 50%. They were drafted 14th and 29th in terrible draft classes, Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5. Pelicans were just the 4th worst team in the NBA, might be trading their franchise player, traded away Ingram for peanuts and Murray missed most of the year.

By this logic Pelicans don't need to draft anyone because they already have Dejounte- Herb-Murphy-Zion and Yves. All 5 of those guys are better than Collier.

Toronto passing over a PG because they have Quickley, Grady Dick and Jakobe Walter at guard already is why they are terrible in the first place.

yawn, here we go with the "terrible draft class" garbage again. People are still trying to make this a thing? Why are so many incapable of understanding young guys playing with other young guys on tanking teams aren't going to light up box scores and look consistently great as rookies? This is talent evaluation 101 ffs. BPA is determined by who btw? Because you and Givony said so? So if Fears goes 12th is that his BPA or would he still be 5th because that's what you believe?

As a reminder. Here are freshmen seasons comparisons

Fears - 17/4/4 and 28% from three
Collier - 16/3/4 and 34% from three
Carrington - 14/5/4 and 32% from three

tell me more about how "Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5" :lol

oh btw, was Fears ever thought of as a top 3 prospect if not #1 in his class like Collier was for a time? No? Interesting.

I will put a bet that Fears is a better player this year than Collier and Carrington were last year.
Collier was 3% epm
Bub was 4% epm

[Catchall]

Utah, Washington, New Orleans, Brooklyn all are competing for Fears.

He’s already had a private workout and first netting with the Nets.

If the Jazz stay at 5, Jazz will likely take Ace or Tre. I wouldn't say that the Jazz are "competing" for Fears. I think he's more of a backup plan, along with VJ Edgecombe, if neither Ace nor Tre get to #5. (Most people think Charlotte will take Edgecombe.)

Fears is shifty and dynamic off the dribble. That gives him a platform to develop into a special player, but he's got a long way to go.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Overrating guys that haven't even proven to be NBA starters. Bub Carrington and Collier were 3% and 4% overall epm players last year. Collier shot under 46% efg% and Bub was under 50%. They were drafted 14th and 29th in terrible draft classes, Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5. Pelicans were just the 4th worst team in the NBA, might be trading their franchise player, traded away Ingram for peanuts and Murray missed most of the year.

By this logic Pelicans don't need to draft anyone because they already have Dejounte- Herb-Murphy-Zion and Yves. All 5 of those guys are better than Collier.

Toronto passing over a PG because they have Quickley, Grady Dick and Jakobe Walter at guard already is why they are terrible in the first place.

yawn, here we go with the "terrible draft class" garbage again. People are still trying to make this a thing? Why are so many incapable of understanding young guys playing with other young guys on tanking teams aren't going to light up box scores and look consistently great as rookies? This is talent evaluation 101 ffs. BPA is determined by who btw? Because you and Givony said so? So if Fears goes 12th is that his BPA or would he still be 5th because that's what you believe?

As a reminder. Here are freshmen seasons comparisons

Fears - 17/4/4 and 28% from three
Collier - 16/3/4 and 34% from three
Carrington - 14/5/4 and 32% from three

tell me more about how "Neither one of these guys are anywhere close to passing on the BPA at 5" :lol

oh btw, was Fears ever thought of as a top 3 prospect if not #1 in his class like Collier was for a time? No? Interesting.

I will put a bet that Fears is a better player this year than Collier and Carrington were last year.
Collier was 3% epm
Bub was 4% epm

imagine using EPM to discuss young players playing on tanking teams. Heck, imagine using EPM at all

[Upperclass]

Fears is going to be one of the worst rookies in the league next year. He has no useful skills aside from an above average handle

[bucknut]

i love the movement skills on this kid, that's all I will say for now

this. He flows. I see the smoothness, shiftyness others see. ......Fluidity

He moves like curry a bit, and then ballhandling too. behind the back and change of direction is great. Comes in with underhand one arm extended layups to score.

He shows some physicality and awareness - on high screens he is looking to create contact on the trailing defender. Little bit of paul george

can his mid game be elite ? because if it can he can be a shea type who just gets to his spots and scores. he can get to his spots

for being so smooth and young - his 3 could definately improve. This is the kind of kid I don't have a problem valuing potential , whereas most of these kids don't move like him

[King Ken]

I like him. I can understand why people are out on him but when you are good at PnR play and getting to spots, that's NBA 101 for PGs in this modern era. Like others have said, I like the movement, I like his ability off screens, I like his athleticism.

I see him as taller young Dennis Schröder with less length but more athleticism with shades of young John Wall but not as dynamic. He looks like a top 10 pick to me. He's in that Brandon Jennings class of PGs. I don't know if he will get to that next level but that's on him more than anyone else.

[bucknut]

Fears is going to be one of the worst rookies in the league next year. He has no useful skills aside from an above average handle

what guard 6-3 or shorter has his build and is a good finisher without elite explosion ? that's why i don't see the devin harris or john wall comps, he lacks the explosion they have.

His "look' , thin, 6-3, not exactly thick bones and composition to create natural space.......doesn't align with his playing style

IMO, he wants to play like paul george to get into the paint, but has the height, body and look of Seth curry (with stephs dribbling and underhand finishes)

His rim rate success is low. .....If he had a 3 I would be all in. As of now i'm questioning if his paint style tranlates, but yet it could. I also don't know many guys his build looking to create contact. He has some nuance near the rim.