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Re: 2025 NFL Draft 

Post#321 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:14 pm

Matches Malone wrote:I wouldn't say he wasn't anything special just because of his modest production. He was one of the least targeted CB's in football last year and QBs treated his side of the field as a no-go zone. 11 PBU's and 1int as a starter with FSU isn't eye-popping but he's a big projection pick (Moreso than other prospects). Still only 20 years old with good size and experience, you're hoping the best ball is still in front of him.


That's because FSU was historically inept defending the run. He wasn't targeted because no one bothered throwing the ball against the Noles. They gave up 187 yards a game on the ground.
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Post#322 » by MVP2110 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:25 pm

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Post#323 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:32 pm

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That's a tough one to see. Knew he wasn't going to be a burner but that's inexplicable.

That said, I'd still take him on day three.
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Post#324 » by Matches Malone » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:32 pm

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Matches Malone wrote:I wouldn't say he wasn't anything special just because of his modest production. He was one of the least targeted CB's in football last year and QBs treated his side of the field as a no-go zone. 11 PBU's and 1int as a starter with FSU isn't eye-popping but he's a big projection pick (Moreso than other prospects). Still only 20 years old with good size and experience, you're hoping the best ball is still in front of him.


That's because FSU was historically inept defending the run. He wasn't targeted because no one bothered throwing the ball against the Noles. They gave up 187 yards a game on the ground.


Sounds like he would fit right in with the Packers then :D

He's far from the perfect prospect but age, scheme fit, measurables and ability to locate the ball with his back turned and having former receiver background are all intriguing traits. Just wish he was quicker. He'll have to rely on that length at the next level.
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Post#325 » by Profound23 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:50 pm

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That's a tough one to see. Knew he wasn't going to be a burner but that's inexplicable.

That said, I'd still take him on day three.



Short and slow, if those 40 times are true his draft stock is going to plummet.
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Post#326 » by Frank Nova » Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:32 pm

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That's a tough one to see. Knew he wasn't going to be a burner but that's inexplicable.

That said, I'd still take him on day three.



Short and slow, if those 40 times are true his draft stock is going to plummet.


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Post#327 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Mar 24, 2025 10:34 pm

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That's a tough one to see. Knew he wasn't going to be a burner but that's inexplicable.

That said, I'd still take him on day three.



Short and slow, if those 40 times are true his draft stock is going to plummet.


Who are we talking about here?


Restrepo. Honestly one of my favorite players in the whole class. Bummed for him but if it means the Packers take him (I'm sure they won't) in the 5th round I'd be happy.
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Post#328 » by Matches Malone » Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:44 pm

His stock will take a hit, but I think Restrepo can still be effective in the league. I made the mistake of bailing on Kayshon Boutte and Bucky Irving for bad athletic testing scores during the pre-draft process, but they seem to be doing fine in the league so far. He's got the talent, and if he can get to the right system and team to utilize him properly, it might not be a total loss.
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Post#329 » by Frank Nova » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:21 am

I try not to get overly caught up in raw athletic numbers anymore. Lots of bench presses and fast 3 cone times don’t result in sacks and slow 40s don’t result in bad RBs and WRs. The tape tells the tale, I need to see production and game speed is still a real thing like it always has been.

Are there any players that really pop out that were statistically average in college but showed out at the combine and became real difference makers in the league? It can’t be a very high %.
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Post#330 » by RRyder823 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:29 am

Frank Nova wrote:I try not to get overly caught up in raw athletic numbers anymore. Lots of bench presses and fast 3 cone times don’t result in sacks and slow 40s don’t result in bad RBs and WRs. The tape tells the tale, I need to see production and game speed is still a real thing like it always has been.

Are there any players that really pop out that were statistically average in college but showed out at the combine and became real difference makers in the league? It can’t be a very high %
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Pretty much every good player in the NFL with a high RAS score drafted in round 3 or later would be much guess

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Re: 2025 NFL Draft 

Post#331 » by Frank Nova » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:44 am

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Frank Nova wrote:I try not to get overly caught up in raw athletic numbers anymore. Lots of bench presses and fast 3 cone times don’t result in sacks and slow 40s don’t result in bad RBs and WRs. The tape tells the tale, I need to see production and game speed is still a real thing like it always has been.

Are there any players that really pop out that were statistically average in college but showed out at the combine and became real difference makers in the league? It can’t be a very high %
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Pretty much every good player in the NFL with a high RAS score drafted in round 3 or later would be much guess

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Not even remotely close to what I was looking for but I did ask and you did answer and technically you’re right so that works.
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Post#333 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:53 am

It's so bad that I'm wondering if he's going through something. Or he's just not taken this seriously. I know Miami fans weren't happy he skipped out on the bowl and there was some diva off-field issues whispered about. If that's the case it's baffling. You gotta be ultimate team try-hard guy if you're 5'10" and slow.
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Re: 2025 NFL Draft 

Post#334 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 25, 2025 5:21 am

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Post#335 » by Profound23 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:20 pm

As for tight ends Warren and Arroyo are my favorites for GB offense if possible, but Mason Taylor looks exactly like Kraft.

Not sure if two Kraft types work together...could either be amazing or redundant. Arroyo seems like the type that can stretch the field but Taylor can block and pick up those tough yards, Warren can do all of the above.
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Post#336 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:58 pm

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Post#337 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:12 pm

Call it a hunch, but I'm not sold on Green. If you're an Edge on the smaller side, I gotta be really convinced that you're more than a situational pass-rusher if I'm spending a 1st round pick on you. Good motor, but just doesn't pop on any of the tape I've seen. I probably prefer Pearce, but I admittedly don't know how much of a hot take that'd be at this point.
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Post#338 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:31 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Call it a hunch, but I'm not sold on Green. If you're an Edge on the smaller side, I gotta be really convinced that you're more than a situational pass-rusher if I'm spending a 1st round pick on you. Good motor, but just doesn't pop on any of the tape I've seen. I probably prefer Pearce, but I admittedly don't know how much of a hot take that'd be at this point.


In a lot of ways, Green and Pearce mirror each other as prospects. Smaller, productive edges with rumored character concerns and similar athletic testing. There's a lot to like with Pearce but he was also used more as a rotational pass-rush specialist with Tennessee's deep DL rotation, and he had some trouble setting the edge against the run. Green is probably a bit more advanced with his pass-rushing repertoire which I think helps him mitigate some of his size issues.

Will be interesting to see where they both land. Their draft stock is all over the first round.
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Post#339 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:33 pm

Been keeping an eye on Horsley and Zeek Biggers as possible IDL options on Day 3. I really like Horsley, and he has some experience with Hafley already.

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Post#340 » by Profound23 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:41 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Call it a hunch, but I'm not sold on Green. If you're an Edge on the smaller side, I gotta be really convinced that you're more than a situational pass-rusher if I'm spending a 1st round pick on you. Good motor, but just doesn't pop on any of the tape I've seen. I probably prefer Pearce, but I admittedly don't know how much of a hot take that'd be at this point.



I haven't even considered Pearce Jr. because I don't see anyway he doesn't go top 15, maybe even top 10. Productive for two years straight, great size, film is great, and he basically beat every edge rusher at the combine. I think he will be the next pass rusher drafted after Abdul Carter. If he can put on some weight and keep his speed, Pearce is going to be better than Verse and I loved Verse this time last year.

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