The Magic replace defense with better offense

[JRoy]

their stats may look similar but KCP and Sexton are very different players.

I think he meant Sexton and Simons.

[Texas Chuck]

their stats may look similar but KCP and Sexton are very different players.

I think he meant Sexton and Simons.

Oh thanks lol. That makes a lot more sense. My bad.

[jayjaysee]

Id happily do KCP and the Denver first for Sexton who is cheaper and just as good as Simons, perhaps better.

Ive never really given much thought about this, but the two players are crazy similar.

Both picked in the same draft.
Both are the same age(separated by 5 months)
Both are 6'3
Both are 180-190lbs
Both shoot the same from three (.383/.387)
Both pass the same(3.2/3.7)


Its crazy really.

I’d rather have Sexton. I thought Cleveland picked the wrong guard to keep.

But I really thought Simons would figure out how to use his length to be a somewhat respectable defensive player.

So I was very wrong on both…

[ReggiesKnicks]

Id happily do KCP and the Denver first for Sexton who is cheaper and just as good as Simons, perhaps better.

Ive never really given much thought about this, but the two players are crazy similar.

Both picked in the same draft.
Both are the same age(separated by 5 months)
Both are 6'3
Both are 180-190lbs
Both shoot the same from three (.383/.387)
Both pass the same(3.2/3.7)


Its crazy really.

They really aren't that similar if you watch them play. Maybe Sexton re-invents himself into a player like KCP, which is hustle, C+S, and POA defense.

Sexton has all the tools to be this archetype, but he has still been pushed over his first 6-7 years of his career to develop more as a ball-handler and explore the studio space for that archetype.

I don't see any reason why Sexton can't be KCP or even a better KCP in the role KCP fills, but he doesn't play the same way at the moment within the flow of an offensive system.

[babyjax13]

Id happily do KCP and the Denver first for Sexton who is cheaper and just as good as Simons, perhaps better.

Ive never really given much thought about this, but the two players are crazy similar.

Both picked in the same draft.
Both are the same age(separated by 5 months)
Both are 6'3
Both are 180-190lbs
Both shoot the same from three (.383/.387)
Both pass the same(3.2/3.7)


Its crazy really.

They really aren't that similar if you watch them play. Maybe Sexton re-invents himself into a player like KCP, which is hustle, C+S, and POA defense.

Sexton has all the tools to be this archetype, but he has still been pushed over his first 6-7 years of his career to develop more as a ball-handler and explore the studio space for that archetype.

I don't see any reason why Sexton can't be KCP or even a better KCP in the role KCP fills, but he doesn't play the same way at the moment within the flow of an offensive system.

Think they meant Simons, not KCP! I love Sexton, but part of his defensive issues is size when playing SG. Tries his ass off, though, impossible not to love him as a player. Think he'd be a fantastic cultural and stylistic fit for Orlando.

[Ducklett]

This is really rich for Orlando. They could add 1 additional 1st and be in the hunt for an actual difference maker.

Great point. If that is the asking price for simons I would hope we add a future 1st and go looking for a better player.

[hugepatsfan]

Seems like a big portion of the value going back to POR is attributable to taking back KCP. While I understand why POR would be adverse to that and need compensation, I don't think that low valuation of them would be universal. If there's a contending/competitive team out there who's luxury tax/apron situation isn't blown up by KCP's last 2 years, I think ORL would be able to move him pretty easily without attaching much, if any value to him. Expand it to a 3 team deal so ORL doesn't have to pay the outrageous freight cost POR will want to eat the money... the 3rd team takes back KCP for filler salary that's not as expensive for POR to take on.

[LightTheBeam]

Orlando can do better than Simons for that package

As a Kings fan I'd offer Monk for Black and filler.

They may have sights aimed higher, but similar player for much cheaper.

[Skybox]

This is really rich for Orlando. They could add 1 additional 1st and be in the hunt for an actual difference maker.

Great point. If that is the asking price for simons I would hope we add a future 1st and go looking for a better player.

Everyone wants a better player, but no one can say who it is

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is really rich for Orlando. They could add 1 additional 1st and be in the hunt for an actual difference maker.

Great point. If that is the asking price for simons I would hope we add a future 1st and go looking for a better player.

Everyone wants a better player, but no one can say who it is

Lillard.

[Skybox]

Great point. If that is the asking price for simons I would hope we add a future 1st and go looking for a better player.

Everyone wants a better player, but no one can say who it is

Lillard.

34yo, 2 more years at $113m?

[JRoy]

Great point. If that is the asking price for simons I would hope we add a future 1st and go looking for a better player.

Everyone wants a better player, but no one can say who it is

Lillard.

What does the ORL offer look like?

[BlazersBroncos]

I think Black and the ORL FRP is rich.

Either the ORL FRP or Black and the DEN FRP.

Above is assuming KCP is involved. If ORL had EC to match I could accept only one of Blake / DEN FRP.

[pipfan]

I was pushing CWhite to Orl, but he's playing GREAT right now, and Chic won't tank.
Would Orl do Anthony plus the #11 and the Den pick for White?

I'm counting Anthony as a slight negative here

[Ducklett]

This is really rich for Orlando. They could add 1 additional 1st and be in the hunt for an actual difference maker.

Great point. If that is the asking price for simons I would hope we add a future 1st and go looking for a better player.

Everyone wants a better player, but no one can say who it is

Players wanting out changes fast. Rather add to get Booker or some other aggrieved star than 2 1sts and Black for Simons.

[orlando_joe]

I was pushing CWhite to Orl, but he's playing GREAT right now, and Chic won't tank.
Would Orl do Anthony plus the #11 and the Den pick for White?

I'm counting Anthony as a slight negative here

no not for expiring contract and can not pay him big new contract ..so no i do not see that for 1 yr

[Skybox]

Great point. If that is the asking price for simons I would hope we add a future 1st and go looking for a better player.

Everyone wants a better player, but no one can say who it is

Players wanting out changes fast. Rather add to get Booker or some other aggrieved star than 2 1sts and Black for Simons.

Booker is a savage...his skillset isn't ideal for us, but you'd have to go for it. He probably won't be available - the PHX owner has basically said there's NO teardown coming and Booker is THE franchise player. After watching Paolo smacking up Ty Jerome...I'm thinking we need more of that degree of nastiness - ALL of the best players have it. Everybody in the league LIKES Cole, but respect and even fear is what the best guys bring...not this "family", "friendly locker room" stuff that the KD's and Draymond's of the league laugh at.

Booker - types come with massive salaries too. Squeezing in a Simons is possible, but Booker might require Suggs going out unless we have a roster with 6 guys. Interesting quotes from the Governor/former owner of the Celtics recently re:the CBA/2nd Apron..."no teams will be in the second apron for more than 2 years going forward". He attributes this to the intense player movement restrictions, but the money is also a massive thing for anyone. Celtics payroll will basically be $500m, including penalties...and this doesn't even consider the restrictions to fixing it. C's probably keep it together another year if they win this season- but that's likely it. They won't dismantle and rebuild, but they WILL make changes of significance that are not necessarily basketball decisions. ORL will NEVER mess with the 2nd Apron...Just won't even consider that.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I just don't see anybody, including Orlando, coveting Simons enough to spend assets to get him. Given the Blazers are better than I thought they'd be, maybe Simons is better than I think he is, but the idea of giving up a first round pick and the useful minutes attached to matching contracts for one year of Simons and then needing to hand him a new contract when his agent knows you won't let him walk... just seems like a bad purchase.

[Skybox]

I was pushing CWhite to Orl, but he's playing GREAT right now, and Chic won't tank.
Would Orl do Anthony plus the #11 and the Den pick for White?

I'm counting Anthony as a slight negative here

I would for ORL, but it looks unlikely to be as high as #11...but, even if it was, I'd do it.

Certainly would be discussions, if not an agreement, about an immediate realistic extension before any calls to Silver

[SD2042]

Id happily do KCP and the Denver first for Sexton who is cheaper and just as good as Simons, perhaps better.

I will take that deal. The Magic need that bulldog type of PG help elevate the backcourt.