Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[youngRAPZ]

This is on Masai. Scottie is about to enter his fourth NBA off-season. He can't keep working with his **** childhood trainer, especially since in four years in the league, he's added almost nothing to his game.

How is this on Masai? Players have the summer and can do whatever they want including nothing.


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Try to persuade him to work out with someone else. And if he won't, realize that maybe he's the wrong player to build around.

You people live in a bubble world that’s simple and black and white. How do you know he didn’t try to convince him? And making decisions on who to build around based on who the player trains with in the summer is quite Stupid to say the least.

Scottie could train with Jesus reincarnated as MJ doesn’t mean he will develop into a superstar.

Also I would assume you’ve never watched a workout that he goes through with his trainer so again I’ll assume you’re making a stupid judgement about the trainer with a lack of knowledge and insight.


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[Scase]

Yah, well, Scottie has lobsters for dinner, while Grimes lives in a single room above a bowling alley, and below another bowling alley.

Well played, sir.

Yeah but neither of them sleep in a racecar bed, checkmate.

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How is this on Masai? Players have the summer and can do whatever they want including nothing.


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Try to persuade him to work out with someone else. And if he won't, realize that maybe he's the wrong player to build around.

You people live in a bubble world that’s simple and black and white. How do you know he didn’t try to convince him? And making decisions on who to build around based on who the player trains with in the summer is quite Stupid to say the least.

Scottie could train with Jesus reincarnated as MJ doesn’t mean he will develop into a superstar.

Also I would assume you’ve never watched a workout that he goes through with his trainer so again I’ll assume you’re making a stupid judgement about the trainer with a lack of knowledge and insight.


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It doesn't matter what he's doing with his trainer because whatever it is, it clearly isn't working. He hasn't added anything substantial to his game in three off-seasons of work.

[tsherkin]

Yah, well, Scottie has lobsters for dinner, while Grimes lives in a single room above a bowling alley, and below another bowling alley.

Well played, sir.

Yeah but neither of them sleep in a racecar bed, checkmate.

Hehehe.

[XTC]

PPG - 19.7 #37
RPG - 7.9 #25
APG - 5.9 #22
SPG - 1.5 #11
BPG - 1.1 #26
TO - 2.8
Fouls - 1.9
TS - 52.4% #185 (out of 203 players)
PER - 17.9 #52
BPM - 2.4 #43
VORP - 2.0 #41
EPM - 1.8 #61

I think the sample size is large enough we can start breaking down his season.

It's pretty clear his best trait is his defense, he's one of the best defenders in the NBA. He's one of the top defenders in the league IMO, he offers a ton of versatility, and it's huge he doesn't foul a ton. The stats back this up, when he plays we have a DRTG of 113.8, when he sits our defense plummets and we have a DRTG of 118.4... Once the team gets better I do believe he can start making some all defensive teams.

His second best trait is his playmaking, he is a legit point forward who can run an offense without turning over the ball. Being able to run an offense at his size without turning the ball over is a positive skill. His scoring is so abysmal however it's hard to justify him having the ball so much. I think he's best suited as a secondary ball handler ala Draymond Green, Lamar Odom.

He is absolutely worthless as a scorer. He doesn't have the volume or the efficiency, it's not even worth talking about. His usage needs to be scaled down next season, but then the question arises... do you run your offense through a guy who can't put the ball through the hoop? The offense actually gets worst when Barnes is on the court. When he plays we have an ORTG of 110.4, but when he sits we have an ORTG of 112.3

His advance stats paint him as a guy who is a top 50 player in the NBA at the moment, which is fair IMO. I don't know how much better he can get without scaling down his offensive work load, because his assists numbers will suffer if we take the ball out of his hands. It's not feasible for a guy with such disastrous efficiency to have the ball in his hands. It's really hard to picture a team being successful with Barnes being the focal point of the offense.

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[Vampirate]

PPG - 19.7 #37
RPG - 7.9 #25
APG - 5.9 #22
SPG - 1.5 #11
BPG - 1.1 #26
TO - 2.8
Fouls - 1.9
TS - 52.4% #185 (out of 203 players)
PER - 17.9 #52
BPM - 2.4 #43
VORP - 2.0 #41
EPM - 1.8 #61

I think the sample size is large enough we can start breaking down his season.

It's pretty clear his best trait is his defense, he's one of the best defenders in the NBA. He's one of the top defenders in the league IMO, he offers a ton of versatility, and it's huge he doesn't foul a ton. The stats back this up, when he plays we have a DRTG of 113.8, when he sits our defense plummets and we have a DRTG of 118.4... Once the team gets better I do believe he can start making some all defensive teams.

His second best trait is his playmaking, he is a legit point forward who can run an offense without turning over the ball. Being able to run an offense at his size without turning the ball over is a positive skill. His scoring is so abysmal however it's hard to justify him having the ball so much. I think he's best suited as a secondary ball handler ala Draymond Green, Lamar Odom.

He is absolutely worthless as a scorer. He doesn't have the volume or the efficiency, it's not even worth talking about. His usage needs to be scaled down next season, but then the question arises... do you run your offense through a guy who can't put the ball through the hoop? The offense actually gets worst when Barnes is on the court. When he plays we have an ORTG of 110.4, but when he sits we have an ORTG of 112.3

His advance stats paint him as a guy who is a top 50 player in the NBA at the moment, which is fair IMO. I don't know how much better he can get without scaling down his offensive work load, because his assists numbers will suffer if we take the ball out of his hands. It's not feasible for a guy with such disastrous efficiency to have the ball in his hands. It's really hard to picture a team being successful with Barnes being the focal point of the offense.

Barnes simply needs to get to the FT line, his FTr has been rising every year including this one, lower the 3Pr (26.7% on 4.4 attempts) is pretty much the reason why his TS% is in the gutter.

As for the 3P itself, he needs to have a hot zone somewhere and stick to it for now, this year has been by far his worst 3P shooting season in his career.

But yes, he's pretty much not a #1 option or close even with all that as his PPG likely tops out at 22PPG on better efficiency (you need a 3 to really get to 25+PPG imo)

As for his 3, let's just hopes it rebounds to at least 30% next year which isn't a huge ask.

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People should put as much focus, time, and energy into what he is vs what he isn’t

Scottie going to look very good next year knocked down a peg or two on the offensive totem pole

[Thaddy]

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People should put as much focus, time, and energy into what he is vs what he isn’t

Scottie going to look very good next year knocked down a peg or two on the offensive totem pole

He's going to be better next year in the role he's meant for. He's a 4th option that generates offense in transition using his defense. He'll continue getting better as a shooter and extend his range. I would continue finishing the season with him as the top option for us. If he can tank us into top 5 odds we're looking at adding another franchise level player. Barnes needs to develop his handle and letting him struggle against pressure is a way to force him to adapt. I hope we see more of that this season and sit IQ. The tanking race is too tight for us to bring back Ingram and play a full roster.

[brownbobcat]

People should put as much focus, time, and energy into what he is vs what he isn’t

Scottie going to look very good next year knocked down a peg or two on the offensive totem pole

Fact is that they didn't have the opportunity to choose Cade or Mobley. Even in hindsight, it was a good pick. Now, would he command the 25% max today after the season he's had? Debatable, but I think he still does - it wouldn't be a huge amount less, in any case.

[TorontoBarneys]

I wonder if Scottie is starting to be underrated offensively nowadays. People expecting him to dip down to 15-16 ppg next season albeit efficiently. It's still too early to say if he won't become an efficient 20ppg+ scorer in the future. He's only 23.

Another factor is Ingram and the '25 pick. We don't know how much defensive attention they might command in future seasons. The situation could end up giving Scottie a lot of breathing room.

[720]

I wonder if Scottie is starting to be underrated offensively nowadays. People expecting him to dip down to 15-16 ppg next season albeit efficiently. It's still too early to say if he won't become an efficient 20ppg+ scorer in the future. He's only 23.

Just his haters. His numbers will only drop if his role gets reduced and I don’t think Masai has any plans of doing that. He is having his worst efficiency season offensively and still putting up 20. He has been playing hurt as well. No reason to think he can’t improve.

[tsherkin]

He is having his worst efficiency season offensively and still putting up 20.

And that's supposed to be a good thing? That's what raw shooting volume will do for a player.

[720]

He is having his worst efficiency season offensively and still putting up 20.

And that's supposed to be a good thing? That's what raw shooting volume will do for a player.

He doesn’t force it at all. He lets the game come to him. He isn’t a typical chucker on a bad team type.

[DreamTeam09]

If you look at his stats yr to yr. Year 1&2 looked nearly identical / now year 3&4 look nearly identical after a jump from his yr 1&2 production
So I am expecting another jump for year's 5&6

Clearly he spent the last two yea working & refining some processes. Over that spans we saw an uptick in his midrange

[AbC?]

lol at Pensare and his doofus followers. Dude pinned his entire online persona on Barnes being some misunderstood, latent superstar and now he has to find something else to pivot to. Will probably latch on this upcoming draft pick and repeat the process.

[Tha Cynic]

I wonder if Scottie is starting to be underrated offensively nowadays. People expecting him to dip down to 15-16 ppg next season albeit efficiently. It's still too early to say if he won't become an efficient 20ppg+ scorer in the future. He's only 23.

Another factor is Ingram and the '25 pick. We don't know how much defensive attention they might command in future seasons. The situation could end up giving Scottie a lot of breathing room.

Yup lol

There are some very ridiculous comments in here right now imo. Let it fester lol. I like that is mainly negative comments against like one outlandish supporter. There really isn’t any legit conversation happening right now. It’s one extreme vs the other

[HiJiNX]

I wonder if Scottie is starting to be underrated offensively nowadays. People expecting him to dip down to 15-16 ppg next season albeit efficiently. It's still too early to say if he won't become an efficient 20ppg+ scorer in the future. He's only 23.

Another factor is Ingram and the '25 pick. We don't know how much defensive attention they might command in future seasons. The situation could end up giving Scottie a lot of breathing room.

Yup lol

There are some very ridiculous comments in here right now imo. Let it fester lol. I like that is mainly negative comments against like one outlandish supporter. There really isn’t any legit conversation happening right now. It’s one extreme vs the other

It’s wild because I check the box scores after games (I’ve mostly stopped watching) and I see a sprinkling of efficient games here and there among some bad ones as well and I’m wondering where the he’s never going to improve stuff is coming from. And when I do watch, I’m seeing a player who is facing lots of attention where his strengths are (teams will not give Barnes the middle of the floor anymore, period) who is struggling to figure it out. And when the shots fall, that becomes the aberration rather than the “flash.”

I think it’s all up to one’s preconceived bias and the interpretation that filters into.

As I’ve said for awhile, anyone expecting Barnes to become some savant scorer is out to lunch. That doesn’t mean he won’t get to a point where you can put the ball in his hands and run an efficient team offence through him, especially as he settles into only doing the things he’s good at, rather than where he’s at now, trying to expand his repertoire (which he needs to do).

[dballislife]

i know why they arent sitting scottie and its a good thing, all hoping he finishes the season strong and bring momentum into his summer workouts...everyone knows hes had a disappointing season

[Scizzup]

I am not as worried about him rn. Scottie is worth the 25% max especially with little improvements here and there. That is typically for top 35-40 ish players in the league and I think he can be that.

However, his offensive limitations is obvious or should be by now. He is never going to be the head of an elite offense imo. Its just not his scoring, Magic and Nash were not volume scorers but they were great/efficient self creators and top 5 passers ever. They also were volume drivers required for a elite point guard play. Scottie isn't that.

I have considered him an Iggy/Marion hybrid player for a long time and that is a very good player. Iggy and Marion were all nba level impact for a couple seasons (just didn't have raw boxscore stat in Iggy case). Hopefully, he keeps getting better on defense mostly in terms of IQ and reading actions cause a lot of his value will come from that and not offense.