OG by Depth

[ACMFFL]

Would love OG in Dallas. Think my offer is just PJ, Gafford, Klay and the 2025 first assuming Dallas survives the play-in?

Looks low for the ask, but thats what I think?

And someone figures out how to make the salaries work (trim Klay or Gafford using a third team? Maybe NY’s vet mins to a third team is good enough?)

Adding a Naji/Mitchell based swap feels smart if you’re doing that deal but no idea how Mitchell is valued. Makes matching easier for NY and balances both rosters a bit.

PJ + Gafford + Pick(s) makes sense for both sides. I don’t think Klay is needed. Caleb Martin can be added to make the cap math work.

OG gives Dallas an elite perimeter defender.

NY gets a poor man’s OG in PJ, a league average starting C in Gafford and recoups some draft capital they desperately need.

Dallas would roll with Kyrie-Klay-OG-AD-Lively with the ability to mix in Christie in small ball lineups

Knicks roll with Brunson-Bridges-PJ-Towns-Gafford. Adding Hart and Mitchell Robinson to McBride off the bench

It makes little sense for the Mavs imo. Upgrading the defense at the expense of depth and assets should not be a priority at all, OG is not even the creator Dallas needs.

[Astaluego]

I saw something on the internet about OG going to the Lakers for depth and more mobile contracts...
DFS/Vandervilt/Clarksson to KNICKS..
I saw this online... the Knicks are getting more mobile contracts and more depth. DFS/Vandervilt would be the natural replacements for OG, and Clarkson gives them an elite 6-man to offset Jalen's absence...

Maxi/Milton + 2 SRP(1 Lakers+ 1 Knicks)
makes them worse on the court...which seems to be a goal, they do Clarksson the favor of sending him to NY to play for a contender and get a couple of small assets

OG to Lakers

[Astaluego]

OG to Indiana

Indiana consolidates, gains a missing piece, and is a true contender

Hali/Nembhard/OG/Siakam/Turner
Draft or FA/Mathurin/Shepard/Walker/Jackson


Nesmith/Toppin/Mcconell to KNICKS

KNICKS get quality depth

[babyjax13]

Randle and DDV for OG, McBride, and maybe a 1st or something? I kind of love the resulting team for both if Randle is locked in at like 30 million/year instead of what OG makes.

Brunson
Bridges
Hart
Randle
KAT

Extremely balanced, switchable team with excellent ball movement and 5 players who can shoot, dribble, and pass.

McBride
Edwards
OG
McDaniels
Gobert

Good luck ever scoring.

It would also be hilarious.

[Laimbeer]

This is where having no tradable, biggish contracts actually hurts Detroit. If OG were made available in the off-season, he’d be a helluva nice fit. Ausar is freaky enough to play the 4 some, as well as 2/3 and a bit of 1.

Problem is, there’s just no contracts to make it work. Tobias is about it, and the Knicks have very little use for a guy like Tobias. We could give a first, certainly, but we’ve finally reached the point where a Detroit first isn’t that valuable.

Not giving up Ausar to pay a ton more money just because OG shoots better. Holland, I guess, but he’s not a win-now guy. Ivey/Brunson is a hella ugly defense on the perimeter.

Nothing works.

Eh, I'd take a pass on OG given his contract. Duren, Ivey, Thompson, and Holland will all be up for deals. I just don't think he's the kind of guy who should be occupying something like your second highest salary slot.

[tmorgan]

This is where having no tradable, biggish contracts actually hurts Detroit. If OG were made available in the off-season, he’d be a helluva nice fit. Ausar is freaky enough to play the 4 some, as well as 2/3 and a bit of 1.

Problem is, there’s just no contracts to make it work. Tobias is about it, and the Knicks have very little use for a guy like Tobias. We could give a first, certainly, but we’ve finally reached the point where a Detroit first isn’t that valuable.

Not giving up Ausar to pay a ton more money just because OG shoots better. Holland, I guess, but he’s not a win-now guy. Ivey/Brunson is a hella ugly defense on the perimeter.

Nothing works.

Eh, I'd take a pass on OG given his contract. Duren, Ivey, Thompson, and Holland will all be up for deals. I just don't think he's the kind of guy who should be occupying something like your second highest salary slot.

I agree. I wrote what you quoted almost a month ago, and my opinion of Holland continues to rise. OG just misses too much time for too much money.

[R-DAWG]

This is where having no tradable, biggish contracts actually hurts Detroit. If OG were made available in the off-season, he’d be a helluva nice fit. Ausar is freaky enough to play the 4 some, as well as 2/3 and a bit of 1.

Problem is, there’s just no contracts to make it work. Tobias is about it, and the Knicks have very little use for a guy like Tobias. We could give a first, certainly, but we’ve finally reached the point where a Detroit first isn’t that valuable.

Not giving up Ausar to pay a ton more money just because OG shoots better. Holland, I guess, but he’s not a win-now guy. Ivey/Brunson is a hella ugly defense on the perimeter.

Nothing works.

Eh, I'd take a pass on OG given his contract. Duren, Ivey, Thompson, and Holland will all be up for deals. I just don't think he's the kind of guy who should be occupying something like your second highest salary slot.

I agree. I wrote what you quoted almost a month ago, and my opinion of Holland continues to rise. OG just misses too much time for too much money.

If there is an OG trade it’s going to be to a win now team. The teams I see in play are Dallas (he’s a better player than PJ who is entering a contract year - although they are a mess right now), Sacramento, maybe Houston or Memphis with San Antonio as a sleeper.

I think OG is the kind of guy that every team would want - but not necessarily want to give up assets to take on his contract.

[R-DAWG]

This is where having no tradable, biggish contracts actually hurts Detroit. If OG were made available in the off-season, he’d be a helluva nice fit. Ausar is freaky enough to play the 4 some, as well as 2/3 and a bit of 1.

Problem is, there’s just no contracts to make it work. Tobias is about it, and the Knicks have very little use for a guy like Tobias. We could give a first, certainly, but we’ve finally reached the point where a Detroit first isn’t that valuable.

Not giving up Ausar to pay a ton more money just because OG shoots better. Holland, I guess, but he’s not a win-now guy. Ivey/Brunson is a hella ugly defense on the perimeter.

Nothing works.

Eh, I'd take a pass on OG given his contract. Duren, Ivey, Thompson, and Holland will all be up for deals. I just don't think he's the kind of guy who should be occupying something like your second highest salary slot.

Detroit isn’t going to pay all those guys - it’s bad business. But they are years away from needing to make a decision and are currently the feel good story of the league.

I don’t know if their pieces fit together long term - specifically, is there enough shooting in a front court that features Thompson-Holland-Duran.

To that point, OG Anunoby is the best version of what your hope Thompson and Holland become. A multi positional defender who can space the floor and do a little more offensively.

Is there a deal to be made between the two teams - I’m not sure. I think from Detroit’s standpoint something built around Harris, Beef Stew, and a protected 1st rd pick would be interesting. Not sure the value is there for the Knicks. Nor would Thompson/Holland really fit the Knicks roster. So the only real deal I see happening is Det flipping Holland or Thompson for a piece that better fits the Knicks needs - likely another shot creator, pairing that guy with Stewart and sending a top-10 protected pick to NY.

Detroit’s lineup:
Cade-Ivey-OG-Harris-Duran

NY’s lineup:
Brunson-(SG acquired in OG trade)-Bridges-Towns-Stewart

I’m not sure who the $20mm level SG NY would acquire here is, but someone with Donte DiVinxenzo’s skill set would be the kind of fit we are looking for - secondary ball handler and off ball floor spacer who isn’t a complete zero on defense.

[tmorgan]

We’ll see how far away we are next year. Maybe not as far as you think.

In any case, giving up two core pieces and a 1st for Anunoby doesn’t make sense for Detroit. We have wing defenders already — paying that much for a shooting upgrade (that’s got availability issues) isn’t a good use of payroll or resources.