Magic/Bulls/Hornets/Lakers

facothomas22 · Post #1 » by **facothomas22** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:30 pm

Magic out: KCP,Anthony Black, Magic pick this year(12-15 range most likely)
Magic in: Coby White

Bulls out: Coby White
Bulls in: Maxi Kleber, Jusef Nurkic, Anthony Black, Magic pick this year(12-15 most likely range), Nuggets 2026 2nd round pick, Warriors 2nd round pick

Hornets out: Jusef Nurkic,Nuggets 2026 2nd round pick,2026 Warriors 2nd round pick
Hornets in:Austin Reaves

Lakers out: Austin Reaves, Maxi Kleber
Lakers in: KCP

Why the Magic do this: Their offense is simply not very good. They need a guard can be ball handler and can shoot. Coby White is exact that for them.

Why the Bulls do this: They got back a couple of expiring contracts back, along with a additional pick in the late lottery/mid 1st round to use as well. They would also get Anthony Black has shown a lot of potential as defender and if his offense ever comes along, then the Bulls would get a version of Lonzo Ball pre injury.

Why the Hornets do this: They get back a more useful expiring contract back in exchange for a player that's not going to be on their long term plans.

Why the Lakers do this: To improve their defense. I seen their last couple of games. It's been a disaster on that side of the ball. I think Austin Reaves will have to moved in the off season in order to solve that issue. KCP will come in and solve their point of attack defense.

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:36 pm

Reaves >>> kcp

uraverage · Post #3 » by **uraverage** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:42 pm

Magic cut everyone out and take Reaves for themselves. That's if the $ works (I'm too lazy)

Astaluego · Post #4 » by **Astaluego** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:45 pm

The Bulls are eating an extra 25 million and still have to extend Giddey (and 5 centers)... so Reaves' value is Nurkic + 2 SRP? You've made it very clear that you don't like Reaves (but this is excessive). Do you seriously think the difference in value between White and Reaves is that big?

facothomas22 · Post #5 » by **facothomas22** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:00 pm

Astaluego wrote:The Bulls are eating an extra 25 million and still have to extend Giddey (and 5 centers)... so Reaves' value is Nurkic + 2 SRP? You've made it very clear that you don't like Reaves (but this is excessive). Do you seriously think the difference in value between White and Reaves is that big?

Keep in mind that Jusef Nurkic and Maxi Kleber are expiring contracts, so they won't matter beyond next season, so they should be able to extend Josh Giddey without too much of problem. They may end up being a 1st tier apron team after this. However this problem could be addressed by moving Patrick Williams, but then the next question will be who's willing to take on his contract without the Bulls attaching assets? Moving Nikola Vucevic could also be another option.

Far as why I value Austin Reaves and Coby White a lot differently despite of both being expiring contracts and both due for big pay days, to me it comes down to a couple of things.

1. Coby White is the younger NBA player. Younger by 2 years to be exact. That matters when it comes assessing trade value.

2. I view Coby White as the better player. They both can score. Both are playmakers. However Coby is more athletic and he plays better defense. I also think Coby White can fit on more teams.

3. I have no questions that Coby White will be able to maintain his production on another team. With Austin Reaves, the simple size is very small and I think his production is not sustainable. This time last year, Austin Reaves couldn't even beat D'Angelo Russell as the Lakers 3rd best player,who's currently struggling with the Nets. I view that as a red flag. I wouldn't feel comfortable about what Reaves will demand on his next contract if I was the 29 GM in the NBA.

meekrab · Post #6 » by **meekrab** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:06 pm

This is pretty far short for the Bulls considering how Coby White looks, a late lottery pick that they hope in 5 years could be as good as Coby White is now?

facothomas22 · Post #7 » by **facothomas22** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:13 pm

meekrab wrote:This is pretty far short for the Bulls considering how Coby White looks, a late lottery pick that they hope in 5 years could be as good as Coby White is now?

I don't know if I agree with this. Yes Coby White looks great. However he's not a clear cut all star. He's someone who I believe can be a 3rd option on a great team,which is quite valuable. However I'm not convinced he can much better than that. His expiring contract status also lowers his value a bit. I think he's more valuable than guys like Anfernee Simons or Colin Sexton, but not by a major margin.

Skybox · Post #8 » by **Skybox** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:37 pm

ORL happily sends KCP to LAL for Reaves, who is under contract and actually a superior playmaker to Coby, who is due a big raise.

I'd even add ORL frp (#15?)...I would think LAL would really also like Wendell Carter at C. With Luka in house, these two 2-way vets make a lot of sense. Reaves' defense is a problem and Luka more than replaces a lot of Reaves' contributions. More playmakers and scorers are always good - but maybe redundant for LAL while there are other needs at C and POA defense. I'd include 2 frps that LAL can package or use to fill out their bench with inexpensive role players. They are as win-now as anyone in the league.

ORL sends: KCP, WCJ, 25 frp, DEN 25 frp
LAL sends: Reaves, Knecht, Rui or DFS (I assume LAL would prefer to move off Rui's $17m)

ChettheJet · Post #9 » by **ChettheJet** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:08 pm

The Bulls laugh and turn their back on you.

They aren't giving up today's Coby White for a pick outside the lottery and bench filler. That's several steps below resigning him to a big contract as an option. If they resign Giddey, have Ball, Buzelis, Smith and Williams under control with Vucevic, Huerter, Collins, Dosunmu, Carter on expiring contracts to keep or move they don't need to clear out White for that insulting offer.

HornetJail · Post #10 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:16 pm

lol i wish but I'm not sure we're even sending out positive value in this trade. If the Hornets pick fell to like #6-7, I might trade that for Reaves tbh

this trade is so flawed on all fronts though. The Lakers have no reason to trade Reaves, let alone for a severely overrated KCP.

Skybox · Post #11 » by **Skybox** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:18 pm

ChettheJet wrote:The Bulls laugh and turn their back on you.

They aren't giving up today's Coby White for a pick outside the lottery and bench filler. That's several steps below resigning him to a big contract as an option. If they resign Giddey, have Ball, Buzelis, Smith and Williams under control with Vucevic, Huerter, Collins, Dosunmu, Carter on expiring contracts to keep or move they don't need to clear out White for that insulting offer.

I'm happy for Bulls fans for their recent success...but if they go Patrick Williams on Giddey and Coby this summer because they're putting up contract year numbers all of a sudden :noway:

Both really good, really interesting players...but not franchise cornerstones, imo...be careful with the checkbook.

facothomas22 · Post #12 » by **facothomas22** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:33 pm

According to Bulls fans,it does appear I may have underrated Coby White value a bit. In the last 7 games, he has average 30 points per game,4.2 rebounds per game,3.4 assist per game. I don't see him averaging that over the course of the season and I see Bulls winning steak being more fluky than anything. However I don't it's unreasonable to expect him to be a 20/5/5 guy, while being a 3rd option a good team.I also can understand why the Bulls wouldn't feel great about about taking back far more salary. How about a revised version of this trade.

Magic out: KCP,Anthony Black, Tristan Da Silva, Magic pick this year(12-15 range most likely), Magic 2027 1st round pick
Magic in: Coby White, Nikola Vucecvic

Bulls out: Coby White,Nikola Vucecvic
Bulls in: Anthony Black, Tristan Da Silva, Maxi Kleber,Jusef Nurkic,Magic pick this year(12-15 most likely), Magic 2027 1st round pick

Hornets Out: Jusef Nurkic, Nuggets 2026/2029 2nd round pick,Warriors 2026 2nd round pick
Hornets In: Austin Reaves, Nikola Vucevic

Lakers out: Austin Reaves: Maxi Kleber
Lakers in: KCP,Nuggets 2026 2nd round pick

Post #13 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:46 pm

Wait we're turning Nurk + 2 2nds into Reaves? Um yeah that'll work

jayjaysee · Post #14 » by **jayjaysee** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:27 pm

Yeah the CLT leg of this is really strange to me.

Both Coby and Reaves are expirings next season, which typically impacts trade value for players. But CLT is just here offering mostly nothing and really making this weird for LAL.

facothomas22 · Post #15 » by **facothomas22** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:48 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Yeah the CLT leg of this is really strange to me.

Both Coby and Reaves are expirings next season, which typically impacts trade value for players. But CLT is just here offering mostly nothing and really making this weird for LAL.

I think Coby White has a lot more trade value despite of him/Austin Reaves having the same contract uncertainties beyond next year. Coby White has been putting 18-20 points per game for a longer period of time, while being more athletic,younger and a better defender and he actually played better than that recently as well. Keep in mind Austin Reaves was putting up mediocre role player numbers until D'Angelo Russell got traded and he still has some of these very bad games where he's a non factor on both defense and offense. I think if the price to get Austin Reaves are more than filler and 2nd round picks, I think teams like Hornets will quickly back out. The Lakers can''t afford to go crazy with their asking price for Austin Reaves and scaring team away as a result, seeing that his salary is likely their only realistic path to retool their roster and they need to do whatever they can to convince Luka to sign the extension.

Apz · Post #16 » by **Apz** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 11:43 pm

facothomas22 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Yeah the CLT leg of this is really strange to me.

Both Coby and Reaves are expirings next season, which typically impacts trade value for players. But CLT is just here offering mostly nothing and really making this weird for LAL.

I think Coby White has a lot more trade value despite of him/Austin Reaves having the same contract uncertainties beyond next year. Coby White has been putting 18-20 points per game for a longer period of time, while being more athletic,younger and a better defender and he actually played better than that recently as well. Keep in mind Austin Reaves was putting up mediocre role player numbers until D'Angelo Russell got traded and he still has some of these very bad games where he's a non factor on both defense and offense. I think if the price to get Austin Reaves are more than filler and 2nd round picks, I think teams like Hornets will quickly back out. The Lakers can''t afford to go crazy with their asking price for Austin Reaves and scaring team away as a result, seeing that his salary is likely their only realistic path to retool their roster and they need to do whatever they can to convince Luka to sign the extension.

U think the path to get luka to extend is kcp that earns twice what reaves
do atm and is old af? Doubt that, think they rather resign reaves at kcp salary then trade for kcp

Dez · Post #17 » by **Dez** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 3:57 am

I think the Bulls should cash in on Coby during the off-season but this is just throwing spare change at them telling them it's gold.

Also don't really understand the Lakers just throwing away Reaves who while I believe is very overrated still is a productive role player.

axeman23 · Post #18 » by **axeman23** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 9:59 am

Overpay by Magic, underpay by Hornets.

orlando_joe · Post #19 » by **orlando_joe** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 10:24 am

do not see magic including black ..can also see bulls wanting more . cap wise and contract of only next season then ufa do not see magic as trade partners

facothomas22 · Post #20 » by **facothomas22** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:10 pm

Dez wrote:I think the Bulls should cash in on Coby during the off-season but this is just throwing spare change at them telling them it's gold.

Also don't really understand the Lakers just throwing away Reaves who while I believe is very overrated still is a productive role player.

Would adding Tristan Da Silva and a Magic unprotected 2027 or 2029 1st round pick, while getting to move one of Nikola Vucevic or Patrick Williams to clear salary, along with a late lottery pick this year from them and Anthony Black be enough for the Bulls to move on from Coby White?