Celtics Sold, for $6.1B – (New Owners: Chisholm as Governor, Wyc as Alternate/CEO)

[chrisab123]

A few important points on Brown that have been mentioned:

1. Not talent, but Brown is maybe the easiest to replace in terms of "role"

2. Trading Brown is likely the only option that gets you some level of talent in return and not just a straight dump.

3. As such, trading Brown may also be the only deal in which Brad wouldn't have to attach draft capital just to get a team to take it. If roster construction flexibility is as big a concern as they say it is, this point probably shouldn't be overlooked.

EDIT: For example, JB for Zion and Kelly O works. Just sayin.

White or Holiday are the easiest to replace. Pritchard is on the roster already on an extremely team friendly contract.

Trading White would bring something back. Porzingis probably gets you some sort of asset in return as well. 30 mil isn’t bad for a 2 way center when other guys are making 50.

I disagree on those two, especially White. His contract for what he provides this team IMO is just too difficult to replace. Holiday has been the QB of our defense and his versatility unlocks our ability to switch and recover. He has more value here than he does elsewhere as his contract is long but as a guy who's averaging like 11/4 or whatever at pedestrian shooting numbers at age 34 I don't see a ton of interest or willingness to take him unless we dump a few picks in a deal.

KP has missed as many games as he's played in 2 seasons if not more. We could move him if a team was trying to get off a longer deal. His strength beyond what he does in our offense and defense is that he has only one year left on his deal. Honestly, if we're looking to cut salary, moving him makes the LEAST amount of sense after this season. We want to move longer deals not shorter ones. That's Hauser. That's Jrue, and that's unfortunately JB.

If they trade Brown they aren’t winning a title anytime soon. The amount of posters who want to save money for the owners is insane. Look, there is no trade that will make them better than the current roster they have now. If you want to win, you have to pay the tax. Depending on what KP wants in the offseason you could extend, or trade for picks and an expiring. Jrue you could do the same with. But doing that also closes the window. So what’s more important to fans on this board? Winning or saving money?

[jmr07019]

A few important points on Brown that have been mentioned:

1. Not talent, but Brown is maybe the easiest to replace in terms of "role"

2. Trading Brown is likely the only option that gets you some level of talent in return and not just a straight dump.

3. As such, trading Brown may also be the only deal in which Brad wouldn't have to attach draft capital just to get a team to take it. If roster construction flexibility is as big a concern as they say it is, this point probably shouldn't be overlooked.

EDIT: For example, JB for Zion and Kelly O works. Just sayin.

White or Holiday are the easiest to replace. Pritchard is on the roster already on an extremely team friendly contract.

Trading White would bring something back. Porzingis probably gets you some sort of asset in return as well. 30 mil isn’t bad for a 2 way center when other guys are making 50.

I disagree on those two, especially White. His contract for what he provides this team IMO is just too difficult to replace. Holiday has been the QB of our defense and his versatility unlocks our ability to switch and recover. He has more value here than he does elsewhere as his contract is long but as a guy who's averaging like 11/4 or whatever at pedestrian shooting numbers at age 34 I don't see a ton of interest or willingness to take him unless we dump a few picks in a deal.

KP has missed as many games as he's played in 2 seasons if not more. We could move him if a team was trying to get off a longer deal. His strength beyond what he does in our offense and defense is that he has only one year left on his deal. Honestly, if we're looking to cut salary, moving him makes the LEAST amount of sense after this season. We want to move longer deals not shorter ones. That's Hauser. That's Jrue, and that's unfortunately JB.

I like Pritchard’s chance at producing more in an expanded role compared to Hauser or Kornet’s chance at producing more in an expanded role.

Replacing Holiday with Pritchard will affect the make up of the team, you’ll get better on offense and worse on D… but it’s still better than replacing Brown with Hauser.

I agree Holidays doesn’t have the most attractive contract but I don’t see it as an albatross. It wasn’t long ago he was selected to the Olympic team.

[phincsfan]

Chisholm’s wife likes to talk.

[phincsfan]

I’m calling it now. Walsh’s option won’t be picked up or if it is he’s getting traded.

[Gant]

Bobby Krivitsky

Bill Chisholm while describing to Abby Chin what it has been like for him since purchasing the Celtics:

“I understand what this is about and what it means to the people of Boston cause I’m one of them, and I’m gonna do it right.”

video clip: https://bsky.app/profile/bobbykrivitsky.bsky.social/post/3ll6adyebn22q

[chrisab123]

White or Holiday are the easiest to replace. Pritchard is on the roster already on an extremely team friendly contract.

Trading White would bring something back. Porzingis probably gets you some sort of asset in return as well. 30 mil isn’t bad for a 2 way center when other guys are making 50.

I disagree on those two, especially White. His contract for what he provides this team IMO is just too difficult to replace. Holiday has been the QB of our defense and his versatility unlocks our ability to switch and recover. He has more value here than he does elsewhere as his contract is long but as a guy who's averaging like 11/4 or whatever at pedestrian shooting numbers at age 34 I don't see a ton of interest or willingness to take him unless we dump a few picks in a deal.

KP has missed as many games as he's played in 2 seasons if not more. We could move him if a team was trying to get off a longer deal. His strength beyond what he does in our offense and defense is that he has only one year left on his deal. Honestly, if we're looking to cut salary, moving him makes the LEAST amount of sense after this season. We want to move longer deals not shorter ones. That's Hauser. That's Jrue, and that's unfortunately JB.

I like Pritchard’s chance at producing more in an expanded role compared to Hauser or Kornet’s chance at producing more in an expanded role.

Replacing Holiday with Pritchard will affect the make up of the team, you’ll get better on offense and worse on D… but it’s still better than replacing Brown with Hauser.

I agree Holidays doesn’t have the most attractive contract but I don’t see it as an albatross. It wasn’t long ago he was selected to the Olympic team.

I believe it’s more likely that Hauser gets traded and maybe PP than Jrue or Porzingis especially if the Celtics repeat. This isn’t a Jerry Krause situation where the GM is openly trying to turn the page, this could be the beginning of a dynasty. No one is going to mess with that initially. Not to say Jrue won’t be dealt next year at some point but I can’t see it right off the bat unless they really underperform in the playoffs.

[phincsfan]

I respect and give a ton of credit to the work that PP has put in to get where he's at right now. For me though, I need to see him produce his averages in the playoffs. IMO, he can't disappear and leave the big games, series to the starters. That to me tells me he's a regular season producer on a team whether they are in first place or they are in last place.

I am more of a Sam fan because of his length and his ability to defend a little better than PP. The edge that I'll give PP is his contract is better than Sam's. IMO, they both can get 25+mpg on many teams in the league right now and they both can start for a bunch of teams in the league right now. It's what they do in the post season that will show their worth.

If there's a time in a players contract and career that is at the highest to get a good return on a trade it's this season's PP. With the glimmer of shine that Rico has shown, I would consider making a move with a team who see's PP as a potential starter and contributor who can help take a team to another level. There's plenty of bad shooting teams in the league who can use PP. And to be fair, PP can be a starter in the league. The same way he showed his displeasure of lack of minutes with IME, he's gonna eventually want more starter minutes because he'll be playing for a new contract in a couple of seasons. I personally don't see how he can be a potential replacement for Jrue. I'll take Jrue's defense for 30+mpg over PP's 28+mpg all day long. Jrue will win a game or two in the playoffs, I need to see that from PP.

If a return of a young prospect with a year or two left on their contract and a 1st rd pick is packaged I would take that chance to see if they can extend the Jay's window while at the same time investing in a prospect who can be a bridge.

Blazers Toumani Camara and a future 1st swap - Good size, good defender, can score, can shoot and cheap control for a few years. He can be Jrue's replacement if and when they move him. I don't see a huge drop-off especially if Rico continues to show improvement with heavy minutes.

[cloverleaf]

I respect and give a ton of credit to the work that PP has put in to get where he's at right now. For me though, I need to see him produce his averages in the playoffs. IMO, he can't disappear and leave the big games, series to the starters. That to me tells me he's a regular season producer on a team whether they are in first place or they are in last place.

I am more of a Sam fan because of his length and his ability to defend a little better than PP. The edge that I'll give PP is his contract is better than Sam's. IMO, they both can get 25+mpg on many teams in the league right now and they both can start for a bunch of teams in the league right now. It's what they do in the post season that will show their worth.

If there's a time in a players contract and career that is at the highest to get a good return on a trade it's this season's PP. With the glimmer of shine that Rico has shown, I would consider making a move with a team who see's PP as a potential starter and contributor who can help take a team to another level. There's plenty of bad shooting teams in the league who can use PP. And to be fair, PP can be a starter in the league. The same way he showed his displeasure of lack of minutes with IME, he's gonna eventually want more starter minutes because he'll be playing for a new contract in a couple of seasons. I personally don't see how he can be a potential replacement for Jrue. I'll take Jrue's defense for 30+mpg over PP's 28+mpg all day long. Jrue will win a game or two in the playoffs, I need to see that from PP.

If a return of a young prospect with a year or two left on their contract and a 1st rd pick is packaged I would take that chance to see if they can extend the Jay's window while at the same time investing in a prospect who can be a bridge.

Blazers Toumani Camara and a future 1st swap - Good size, good defender, can score, can shoot and cheap control for a few years. He can be Jrue's replacement if and when they move him. I don't see a huge drop-off especially if Rico continues to show improvement with heavy minutes.

Jrue's old and expensive, and PP's young(ish) and cheap. And PP and Sam play completely different positions, with PP likely needing to be pulled into the starting lineup next year after JH is traded, whereas Sam's purely a spare unless JB somehow goes.

[phincsfan]

Jrue's old and expensive, and PP's young(ish) and cheap.

Totally agree, but IMO Stevens knew that when he signed Jrue to that contract and Stevens made a great decision signing PP to that deal. I think Jrue gets moved after next season.

And PP and Sam play completely different positions,

Don't think either can replace one another. I do think Rico can replace PP as a facilitator though.

with PP likely needing to be pulled into the starting lineup next year after JH is traded, whereas Sam's purely a spare unless JB somehow goes.

That scares the crap out of me because if PP isn't scoring he offers very little after that. I think Rico can grab some rebounds, play defense and make smart plays.

[cloverleaf]

I agree, PF: I think Rico can step up into PP's role, though not guarding PG's particularly well, next year.

But I think you underestimate PP. Here's what I posted less than a week ago, so not too much can have changed:

"Don't look now, but PP is currently 6th in effective FG%, 11th in 3pt FG%, 15th in 2pt FG%, 14th in TS%, 6th in 3pt FGs, 11th in offensive win shares, 14th in win shares/48, 8th in offensive rating, 19th in TO%, and 3rd in 3pt PFGs per 36 and per 100 possessions--in the league."

[phincsfan]

"Don't look now, but PP is currently 6th in effective FG%, 11th in 3pt FG%, 15th in 2pt FG%, 14th in TS%, 6th in 3pt FGs, 11th in offensive win shares, 14th in win shares/48, 8th in offensive rating, 19th in TO%, and 3rd in 3pt PFGs per 36 and per 100 possessions--in the league."

Absolutely he's having a career year. Can't argue with those offensive numbers, but I think between JT, JB and White they can manage the main offensive load. Those three are the core for a 4 year window. Finding the right rotational guys is key to maintaining that window.

I'm looking at ways to maximize assets to contribute to that window while having the opportunity to find a diamond in the draft. #28 this year may bring a rotational player but if they can get a pick in the late teens early 20's next year that could extend that window.

The Spurs hit that jackpot with Leonard in the 11' draft. Hill to the Pacers for the 15th pick on draft day. Duncan, Parker and Ginobli, though all much older at that time still had gas left for that window to win it all in 14'. George Hill's year was very similar to PP's. Off the bench, solid shooting and scored. Indy saw him as a starter and he ended up starting for the next bunch of years.

Is there a guy outside the lottery 16-20ish who could be a building block this draft? More of a chance than at #28 IMO. Now I doubt PP can get a 25' 1st, but I definitely see a 26' 1st with very limited protections.

Those numbers that PP is putting up along with his contract cost and years left should be very enticing for a team to take a chance a trade away a decent draft slot for a guy who can come in a score 15-20ppg each night starting.

[31to6]

Chatgpt could probably translate it for you.

I'll slow it down for you. If they don't win championships, ownership will not get away with gutting the team.

No one says **** if you're winning. But if you're not winning, ownership is not gonna hear the end of how they took a championship roster and tore it apart over money.

Everyone got fat off one championship it seems and is all too happy to shed a contract when in reality everyone and their mother should accept nothing less than total commitment from our billionaire owner.

Chisholm, through Wyc, is already laying the groundwork for cutting payroll for 'basketball penalties.'

You're rooting for fan pressure to keep him from doing that, but it's likely what's happening, regardless of how many titles have been or might be won, and he'll 'get away with it', unless you and others are picking up pitchforks and torches. Happens all the time.

I would guess that most team's fans don't like their owners, especially for this reason -- but how many owners in any sport have ever sold due to fan displeasure -- almost none?

It's not a good investment to turn a championship team into a playoff team that never gets over the hump.

Before you know it the Celtics will be the bruins or red Sox and we know how people feel about those owners.

I agree that I don't *want* them to cut payroll -- but I think they are likely to. It's early so we'll see.

I think the Bruins and Red Sox owners probably ignore most negative public perception of themselves while raking in profits.
Bruins were estimated to be the 5th most valuable NHL franchise in 2023, with over $200M in revenue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_NHL_teams
Red Sox were valued 3rd among major league franchises, with $500M in revenue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_MLB_teams
So, I mean, if I were uber wealthy I can see the appeal of being a rich guy and going down that path, gripes on message board bedamned

[jmr07019]

I disagree on those two, especially White. His contract for what he provides this team IMO is just too difficult to replace. Holiday has been the QB of our defense and his versatility unlocks our ability to switch and recover. He has more value here than he does elsewhere as his contract is long but as a guy who's averaging like 11/4 or whatever at pedestrian shooting numbers at age 34 I don't see a ton of interest or willingness to take him unless we dump a few picks in a deal.

KP has missed as many games as he's played in 2 seasons if not more. We could move him if a team was trying to get off a longer deal. His strength beyond what he does in our offense and defense is that he has only one year left on his deal. Honestly, if we're looking to cut salary, moving him makes the LEAST amount of sense after this season. We want to move longer deals not shorter ones. That's Hauser. That's Jrue, and that's unfortunately JB.

I like Pritchard’s chance at producing more in an expanded role compared to Hauser or Kornet’s chance at producing more in an expanded role.

Replacing Holiday with Pritchard will affect the make up of the team, you’ll get better on offense and worse on D… but it’s still better than replacing Brown with Hauser.

I agree Holidays doesn’t have the most attractive contract but I don’t see it as an albatross. It wasn’t long ago he was selected to the Olympic team.

I believe it’s more likely that Hauser gets traded and maybe PP than Jrue or Porzingis especially if the Celtics repeat. This isn’t a Jerry Krause situation where the GM is openly trying to turn the page, this could be the beginning of a dynasty. No one is going to mess with that initially. Not to say Jrue won’t be dealt next year at some point but I can’t see it right off the bat unless they really underperform in the playoffs.

All depends on how much lux tax ownership can stomach. Pritchard isn’t going anywhere. He can be a starter and is making less than 10% of the cap. Thats incredibly valuable.

[The Corey's]

Chisholm, through Wyc, is already laying the groundwork for cutting payroll for 'basketball penalties.'

You're rooting for fan pressure to keep him from doing that, but it's likely what's happening, regardless of how many titles have been or might be won, and he'll 'get away with it', unless you and others are picking up pitchforks and torches. Happens all the time.

I would guess that most team's fans don't like their owners, especially for this reason -- but how many owners in any sport have ever sold due to fan displeasure -- almost none?

It's not a good investment to turn a championship team into a playoff team that never gets over the hump.

Before you know it the Celtics will be the bruins or red Sox and we know how people feel about those owners.

I agree that I don't *want* them to cut payroll -- but I think they are likely to. It's early so we'll see.

I think the Bruins and Red Sox owners probably ignore most negative public perception of themselves while raking in profits.
Bruins were estimated to be the 5th most valuable NHL franchise in 2023, with over $200M in revenue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_NHL_teams
Red Sox were valued 3rd among major league franchises, with $500M in revenue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_MLB_teams
So, I mean, if I were uber wealthy I can see the appeal of being a rich guy and going down that path, gripes on message board bedamned

It'll go the way it's going in Dallas real quick if they cut payroll and stop winning championships.

People seem to think the Celtics are a runaway, unstoppable investment and that the name Celtics is the real brand but I was here in the 90s and early 2000s when people weren't going to the games.

They can not afford to cut salary and lose games. So do as they will but it's not going to work. Wyc took over a **** franchise with **** ownership and turns it around in quick succession. This dude can't literally do the opposite and expect for people not to revolt.

[ConstableGeneva]

From Bobby Marks:

To no surprise, NBA teams were notified that the salary cap in 2025-26 is expected to increase 10% from this past season, sources tell ESPN.

The current projection is the same that were given to teams in the offseason.

Salary cap: $154.6M
Luxury tax: $187.9M
First apron: $195.9M
Second apron: $207.8M

The salary cap this current season is $140.6M.

Spotrac is always a cool resource when you want to build your fake rosters. This luxury tax calculator is helpful too. One thing's for sure, tone has changed from Wyc to new owners. No more talk of green light to spend we heard prior two seasons. Hard choices have to be made esp if we don't repeat.

[31to6]

It's not a good investment to turn a championship team into a playoff team that never gets over the hump.

Before you know it the Celtics will be the bruins or red Sox and we know how people feel about those owners.

I agree that I don't *want* them to cut payroll -- but I think they are likely to. It's early so we'll see.

I think the Bruins and Red Sox owners probably ignore most negative public perception of themselves while raking in profits.
Bruins were estimated to be the 5th most valuable NHL franchise in 2023, with over $200M in revenue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_NHL_teams
Red Sox were valued 3rd among major league franchises, with $500M in revenue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_MLB_teams
So, I mean, if I were uber wealthy I can see the appeal of being a rich guy and going down that path, gripes on message board bedamned

It'll go the way it's going in Dallas real quick if they cut payroll and stop winning championships.

People seem to think the Celtics are a runaway, unstoppable investment and that the name Celtics is the real brand but I was here in the 90s and early 2000s when people weren't going to the games.

They can not afford to cut salary and lose games. So do as they will but it's not going to work. Wyc took over a **** franchise with **** ownership and turns it around in quick succession. This dude can't literally do the opposite and expect for people not to revolt.

Corey's this will be my last post on this -- my point is simple: Not trying to get apocalyptic here but no one revolts.

Dallas is an outlier scenario -- no one is suggesting the new owners will trade JT -- and Dallas ownership will survive and still make money.

I remember the 90s -- paid $10 for balcony tickets and moved down to empty seats in the lower bowl many times:)

Don Gaston bought the Celtics for $15M in 1983 and his son Paul sold it in 2002 for $360M.
(Appreciation = 23x value in 20 years = 115% per year)
Might've suffered at the gate for a bunch of the 1990s, but still did fine.

Wyc's dad bought for $360M in 2002 and sold for $6.1B in 2025
(Appreciation = 16x value in 23 years = 70% per year)
Did great, signed a bunch of contracts that maybe can't be paid in full, cashed out.

Chisholm and Co in my opinion are likely going to trade Jrue for nothing, and it'll ruffle some feathers and hurt our three-peat chances a bit, but life will move on.

[Fencer reregistered]

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/21/celtics-sale-questions-answers

[ConstableGeneva]

Via Himmelsbach's article:

Chisholm had pre-game chats with Stevens, Tatum, and Brown. He'll be in attendance for the home game vs. Heat on April 2.

“It’s the most incredible feeling to think that maybe I can just play a tiny little part in the future,” Chisholm said, “and now I’ll just let these guys do what they’re doing, let Brad do his thing. If I can help in any way, that’s amazing to think about.”

Chisholm and Stevens spoke extensively last week, before Chisholm’s bid was accepted by the Grousbeck family. Their conversation continued on the court Monday, and Chisholm made it clear he has no intention of disturbing a franchise that won an NBA title last season and is one of the favorites to claim the crown this year, too.

“I just want to listen,” Chisholm said. “I want to listen to what [Stevens] has to say and hear how he thinks about basketball. He’s given me his sense of where the team is and where things are going, and I just want to help him any way I can. So, it’s great. He’s a basketball genius and there’s no two ways about it, and it’s a privilege to get to hear what he thinks about things.”

Underlined is huge if true. Money speaks louder than words though. Pay the bloated tax, my man, and fans will believe you.

[The Corey's]

I agree that I don't *want* them to cut payroll -- but I think they are likely to. It's early so we'll see.

I think the Bruins and Red Sox owners probably ignore most negative public perception of themselves while raking in profits.
Bruins were estimated to be the 5th most valuable NHL franchise in 2023, with over $200M in revenue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_NHL_teams
Red Sox were valued 3rd among major league franchises, with $500M in revenue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valuable_MLB_teams
So, I mean, if I were uber wealthy I can see the appeal of being a rich guy and going down that path, gripes on message board bedamned

It'll go the way it's going in Dallas real quick if they cut payroll and stop winning championships.

People seem to think the Celtics are a runaway, unstoppable investment and that the name Celtics is the real brand but I was here in the 90s and early 2000s when people weren't going to the games.

They can not afford to cut salary and lose games. So do as they will but it's not going to work. Wyc took over a **** franchise with **** ownership and turns it around in quick succession. This dude can't literally do the opposite and expect for people not to revolt.

Corey's this will be my last post on this -- my point is simple: Not trying to get apocalyptic here but no one revolts.

Dallas is an outlier scenario -- no one is suggesting the new owners will trade JT -- and Dallas ownership will survive and still make money.

I remember the 90s -- paid $10 for balcony tickets and moved down to empty seats in the lower bowl many times:)

Don Gaston bought the Celtics for $15M in 1983 and his son Paul sold it in 2002 for $360M.
(Appreciation = 23x value in 20 years = 115% per year)
Might've suffered at the gate for a bunch of the 1990s, but still did fine.

Wyc's dad bought for $360M in 2002 and sold for $6.1B in 2025
(Appreciation = 16x value in 23 years = 70% per year)
Did great, signed a bunch of contracts that maybe can't be paid in full, cashed out.

Chisholm and Co in my opinion are likely going to trade Jrue for nothing, and it'll ruffle some feathers and hurt our three-peat chances a bit, but life will move on.

If you wanna let them off the hook then let them off the hook.

The rest of us won't.

[ConstableGeneva]

It'll go the way it's going in Dallas real quick if they cut payroll and stop winning championships.

People seem to think the Celtics are a runaway, unstoppable investment and that the name Celtics is the real brand but I was here in the 90s and early 2000s when people weren't going to the games.

They can not afford to cut salary and lose games. So do as they will but it's not going to work. Wyc took over a **** franchise with **** ownership and turns it around in quick succession. This dude can't literally do the opposite and expect for people not to revolt.

Corey's this will be my last post on this -- my point is simple: Not trying to get apocalyptic here but no one revolts.

Dallas is an outlier scenario -- no one is suggesting the new owners will trade JT -- and Dallas ownership will survive and still make money.

I remember the 90s -- paid $10 for balcony tickets and moved down to empty seats in the lower bowl many times:)

Don Gaston bought the Celtics for $15M in 1983 and his son Paul sold it in 2002 for $360M.
(Appreciation = 23x value in 20 years = 115% per year)
Might've suffered at the gate for a bunch of the 1990s, but still did fine.

Wyc's dad bought for $360M in 2002 and sold for $6.1B in 2025
(Appreciation = 16x value in 23 years = 70% per year)
Did great, signed a bunch of contracts that maybe can't be paid in full, cashed out.

Chisholm and Co in my opinion are likely going to trade Jrue for nothing, and it'll ruffle some feathers and hurt our three-peat chances a bit, but life will move on.

If you wanna let them off the hook then let them off the hook.

The rest of us won't.

Practically speaking, what are you and the "rest of us" going to do about it? Keep ranting and railing on forum boards? How do you put pressure on these new owners so they won't sell off parts of a championship roster. Genuinely curious, so we could help. I think no one here wants to NOT keeping winning titles. And some of us don't even live in or aren't from Boston.