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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1121 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Mar 25, 2025 5:13 am

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:He's 23.

Queen is 20.


True that. But Queen won’t be there at 26. Clifford might. Would you take him there?




I would take him with our 2nd pick.

I love his size & athleticism at the 2, his feel for the game and passing, 2 way ability & versatile game. Don't love that he's 23, but depending on who we take 1st and how the rest of the draft goes, who enters the draft & who's on the board when we pick, I wouldn't rule him out.

With the 2nd round pick?

Easy, yes. No brainer.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1122 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Mar 25, 2025 5:13 am

Kanyewest wrote:Dumb sports talk saying that Flagg should stay back to not be selected by the Wizards/Hornets by the LeBatard show. I wonder if he could name 3 Wizards on the Roster. Even the Hornets have Ball and Miller.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1123 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:31 am

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Post#1124 » by gambitx777 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:06 am

Know one who knows basketball is saying you don't want drafted by the wizards any more. The team is on the up swing and as misguided as he has been at times now ones ever accused Ted of being shity to or not caring about the players.

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Post#1125 » by doclinkin » Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:08 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:A couple of recent Mock Drafts...

Collin Murray-Boyles to the Wizards at 5?


I wouldn’t hate it. I think he’d endanger our 2026 pick by swiftly raising the level of our defense, rebounding. But by the end of everyone’s career I think there’s a strong chance he’s one of the 5 best players in this draft. Too smart. Too competitive. The sort of player that gets better in the offseasons. His only drawback is height and shooting. Can’t fix one but he plays bigger than his size. And the other comes down to hard work.
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Post#1126 » by doclinkin » Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:32 am

Kanyewest wrote:Dumb sports talk saying that Flagg should stay back to not be selected by the Wizards/Hornets by the LeBatard show. I wonder if he could name 3 Wizards on the Roster. Even the Hornets have Ball and Miller.


Everybody is pissed at the Wizards tanking strategy. Sour grapes that it might succeed. So the professional blabbermouths have an easy target to bash. The odds are against us anyway, it will be frustrating enough if we don’t win it, much less having to hear these same windbags celebrate our continued struggle. And it will be that much more satisfying to win and make them all eat it.

I’ll be happy if we do land Flagg of course. But there’s a solid chance he’s not the best player in the draft, or that he could make it tough to land that 2026 pick. And that Ted has no patience for more tanking. Urges a pivot in strategy. Forces us to cut off the rebuild.

Me I want both high picks. Think they’d make us better than Flagg alone. We’re looking at a dynasty if we get lucky. Grow from the ground up. With new talent arriving in waves.

But if we land the top pick I doubt Flagg stays in school in a snit. #1 #1 is worth everything. He’d own this City. Winger and Dawkins would meet with his team and lay out the vision. Of course the top pick goes to a struggling team. That’s how it works. Here why not on himself to turn things around. You play to be the best. #1 overall says you did it. Why he reclassified to get a jumpstart on his pro career. Whatever radio seat jockeys think.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1127 » by gambitx777 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 11:28 am

Queen might be playing himself into a top ten pick


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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1128 » by Frichuela » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:19 pm

doclinkin wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:A couple of recent Mock Drafts...

Collin Murray-Boyles to the Wizards at 5?


I wouldn’t hate it. I think he’d endanger our 2026 pick by swiftly raising the level of our defense, rebounding. But by the end of everyone’s career I think there’s a strong chance he’s one of the 5 best players in this draft. Too smart. Too competitive. The sort of player that gets better in the offseasons. His only drawback is height and shooting. Can’t fix one but he plays bigger than his size. And the other comes down to hard work.


Agreed. If we drop to #5. CMB should be in consideration. He fits the profile of Dawkins&co and would compliment Sarr pretty well. Obviously, he is no star but in this draft after #3 it's a crapshoot.

In any case, I just did 5 simulations in Tankathon and here is what happened...

1) #5. Flagg (MIA), Harper (PHI), VJ (CHA), Ace (UTA). Draft CMB.
2) #2. Flagg (POR). Draft Harper (#2). Trade Poole to ORL for #15. Use #15 and #24, and trade up to #11 (SAS), draft CMB or DQ.
3) #5. Flagg (CHA), Harper (NO), Ace (POR), VJ (BRO). Draft CMB.
4) #3. Flagg (UTA), Harper (NO). Draft Ace (#3).
5) #1. Draft Flagg (#1).
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1129 » by closg00 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:29 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:He's 23.

Queen is 20.


True that. But Queen won’t be there at 26. Clifford might. Would you take him there?




I would take him with our 2nd pick.

I love his size & athleticism at the 2, his feel for the game and passing, 2 way ability & versatile game. Don't love that he's 23, but depending on who we take 1st and how the rest of the draft goes, who enters the draft & who's on the board when we pick, I wouldn't rule him out.



It's just a mock, but SI has us taking Clifford with our 2nd pick.
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-big-boards/2025-nba-mock-draft-two-round-projections-ahead-of-sweet-16-march-madness
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1130 » by pcbothwel » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:49 pm

closg00 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
True that. But Queen won’t be there at 26. Clifford might. Would you take him there?




I would take him with our 2nd pick.

I love his size & athleticism at the 2, his feel for the game and passing, 2 way ability & versatile game. Don't love that he's 23, but depending on who we take 1st and how the rest of the draft goes, who enters the draft & who's on the board when we pick, I wouldn't rule him out.



It's just a mock, but SI has us taking Clifford with our 2nd pick.
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/mock-drafts-big-boards/2025-nba-mock-draft-two-round-projections-ahead-of-sweet-16-march-madness


Its tough because its not just his age, but his progression. The guy was not even a top 5 player at Colorado as a 21 y/o Jr. Dude was a 4th option and still had a TS of 44% with more Turnovers than Assist. That is beyond 'undraftable'...

It doesnt feel like a Desmond Bane or Cam Johnson... This feels very Chris Duarte-esque... MAYBE he's Caleb Martin
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1131 » by Hibachi_0 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:08 pm

doclinkin wrote:
But belying this take ^^^ (age is nuttin but a number). BBIQ wise take a look at my guy Alvaro Folgueiras. Horizon conference POTY. Only 19, he turns 20 this weekend, sophomore Spaniard plays like a long time Euro vet. 6'10" long armed quick-processing swiss army knife forward. Criminally overlooked due to small school, strength of schedule. But you can see his mental hardware is running way faster than anyone else on the court in that conference. Stands out in his advanced metrics.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/alvaro-folgueiras-1.html

Some of his floor reads remind me of Ginobili. In the way that sometimes he's seeing the floor too quick for his teammates to keep up. No hesitation between offense and defense, he'll block a shot or force a miss and instantly turn it to an upcourt break. Soccer player understanding of playing the angles and spaces on the court, offense and defense. Here in the Horizon league finals:



He is entering the transfer portal from Robert Morris. We'll see if he is done enough to catch the eye of a high major.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1132 » by AFM » Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:09 pm

Need to figure out how to flip some assets so we can get Flagg and Queen
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Post#1133 » by Hibachi_0 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:52 pm

If we were to pick outside the top 2 (where Flagg & Harper are kind of locked) do you think AJ's progression and the upside showing could make the FO lean towards someone like Maluach/Ace at 3-4 before Edgecombe? I believe AJ's improvement should not factor this decision, if the FO believes VJ is the BPA we should take him.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1134 » by doclinkin » Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:15 pm

Hibachi_0 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
Alvaro Folgueiras.


He is entering the transfer portal from Robert Morris. We'll see if he is done enough to catch the eye of a high major.


Smart. He'll make his money both ways: get paid in the transfer portal, and improve his profile/draftability. Okay, well, bookmark everything I said this year for next year's draft thread.
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Post#1135 » by pancakes3 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:32 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:You just don't like fat guys.

There's no way in hell he's undersized at forward. Take a look at the screen capture of his game winner. Queen has arms a mile long. His coach called him 6'10". That's not far off.

Girth is also a measure of size. Queen is of massive girth, like Wes Useld was.


Queen is a C unless he remakes his body. I think to best take advantage of his skill set, you want him up against other Cs.

I have no issues with Queen offensively. I think he's as polished a 20 yr old I've seen at 6-10 in recent memory. I think the shooting stroke looks good and he'll be fine from 3 in time. All my questions are on the defensive end and with his low revving motor. I've seen him go through the motions on D with low effort. Because of this I would not take him high in the lottery, however as we get later into the 1st round, he starts to become a real value.

I think he's the perfect guy to acquire an extra pick to get.... as long as it doesn't cost a ton to do it. I do think him and Sarr would make an interest pairing as they appear to have strengths that offset each others weaknesses.


This is where I'm at as well. On offense, he'll be fine, but unless he improves his conditioning and puts in the work on the defensive side, he will be an 18-20 mpg/back up 5 type of player. I believe ESPN had him going 10th in their last mock.


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Post#1136 » by doclinkin » Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:52 pm

Hibachi_0 wrote:If we were to pick outside the top 2 (where Flagg & Harper are kind of locked) do you think AJ's progression and the upside showing could make the FO lean towards someone like Maluach/Ace at 3-4 before Edgecombe? I believe AJ's improvement should not factor this decision, if the FO believes VJ is the BPA we should take him.


I think it has nothing to do with AJJ. Everything to do with upside. They like guys with length, athleticism, able to guard or play multiple positions, and emphasize less their current accomplishments compared to future projections. Youth, or late growth spurts weigh in as well on their read of future potential.

That may be a relic of our needing to lose to keep our draft picks. That we need to play poorly for a couple years. But if all that is an overall philosophy I think they would lean towards Ace and Khaman who are long and athletic for their positions, over a player like Edge who is an athletic outlier but physically undersized. That said Dawkins was Westbrook's player development coach or the like, so I don't doubt they'll weigh pure athleticism and drive highly as well. I think the combine measurements will influence the decision, both anthro and athletic testing.

Flagg and Harper are locked in. Big, skilled, smart. I have question marks if Harper will end up top 5 of this draft year by the end of his career, but I doubt the Wiz challenge the collective wisdom that he's #2 this year. After that though I'd bet much is in flux. IF I'm guessing, based on their past draft philosophy I'd bet they have it like this:

3. Ace is young, long, and innately talented. Young for his draft class. If they bank on their player development system compared to his shortfalls, he probably has the highest upside in the class. He's a first option scorer, or wants to be. Versatile on offense and defense. Plays as a 6'10" guard/wing, but has shown willingness to play on the interior, rebound, block shots. I personally understand the doubts on his game, but the highlight reel pops off the screen. You're not playing him as a lead ballhandler, you want him to follow his instinct: attack defenses that are designed to stop him. Score anyway. A true high-usage first option scorer is one of the rarest players to find, most expensive in trade.

4. Maluach. A true giant. Mobile for his size. Game is stunted by inexperience, but all reports suggest he is very smart. Diligent worker. Growing quickly. Aggressive and competitive, physical, does not shy away from contact but seeks it. One of the most critical players for post season success is a defensive interior deterrent who is a plus defender from the Pick and Roll and in. A show and recover center. If he develops his offense you have the 2nd most rare sort of player, a playable 2-way Big. In an era where teams are betting big on getting big. Rare to get positional size advantage at the 5 spot because human athletes simply don't grow that big. Why was he only playing 20 mins a game? Load management? Stamina? Abundance of caution? If their medical team says everything looks healthy, and he measures as reported, I can see them being unable to pass him up.

5. Edge. Undeniable athleticism, and high motor. Learning quickly. Defensive attack dog in the back court. Lacks some ball skills that will allow him to attack on offense, and help him transition to a full time position as a combo guard. Give him a skills coach and he will improve though, it's not like anyone is outworking him.

I think 3-5 may shuffle. Whatever the mocks say I would not be startled to see Maluach taken at 3. Or Ace slip to 5. After that I don't know. If we slip to 6 and can't trade up I can see Asa Newell in the mix. Could be Tre as a Poole replacement. Jase Richardson. I personally lean towards CMB due to defense, he's younger than Queen with a higher motor, even if he is smaller. His active in-game intelligence is top end, and his effort never slacks on either end. Credit Nat who tabbed him last year as a Draymond clone. He still hasn't added a reliable ranged jumper, and is still undersized. And it still doesn't matter. The only thing that adds question marks to his draftability is that prolonged losing streak this year. But its not like his effort slacked. If anything he was doing too much out there.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1137 » by Dat2U » Tue Mar 25, 2025 6:08 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Queen is a C unless he remakes his body. I think to best take advantage of his skill set, you want him up against other Cs.

I have no issues with Queen offensively. I think he's as polished a 20 yr old I've seen at 6-10 in recent memory. I think the shooting stroke looks good and he'll be fine from 3 in time. All my questions are on the defensive end and with his low revving motor. I've seen him go through the motions on D with low effort. Because of this I would not take him high in the lottery, however as we get later into the 1st round, he starts to become a real value.

I think he's the perfect guy to acquire an extra pick to get.... as long as it doesn't cost a ton to do it. I do think him and Sarr would make an interest pairing as they appear to have strengths that offset each others weaknesses.


This is where I'm at as well. On offense, he'll be fine, but unless he improves his conditioning and puts in the work on the defensive side, he will be an 18-20 mpg/back up 5 type of player. I believe ESPN had him going 10th in their last mock.


yall are describing Thomas Bryant


Jalen Smith went 10th a few years back. He's an ok backup big. I think Queen has alot more offensive juice despite those guys you mentioned coming in as better perimeter shooters.
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Post#1138 » by pancakes3 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 6:13 pm

Dat2U wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:
This is where I'm at as well. On offense, he'll be fine, but unless he improves his conditioning and puts in the work on the defensive side, he will be an 18-20 mpg/back up 5 type of player. I believe ESPN had him going 10th in their last mock.


yall are describing Thomas Bryant


Jalen Smith went 10th a few years back. He's an ok backup big. I think Queen has alot more offensive juice despite those guys you mentioned coming in as better perimeter shooters.


ideal case, is that he's a bigger julius randle, but even julius had to get his 3ball going before becoming a quality starter
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Post#1139 » by dobrojim » Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:08 pm

Hibachi_0 wrote:If we were to pick outside the top 2 (where Flagg & Harper are kind of locked) do you think AJ's progression and the upside showing could make the FO lean towards someone like Maluach/Ace at 3-4 before Edgecombe? I believe AJ's improvement should not factor this decision, if the FO believes VJ is the BPA we should take him.


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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1140 » by bsilver » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:26 am

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Kanyewest wrote:Dumb sports talk saying that Flagg should stay back to not be selected by the Wizards/Hornets by the LeBatard show. I wonder if he could name 3 Wizards on the Roster. Even the Hornets have Ball and Miller.
Flagg is white.

There is a racial component to them bringing up the question. Dylan Harper is also from family that was not hurting for money. And he's also really good. So why not ask if Harper should delay being drafted so he doesn't have to play with the Wizards/Hornets.

It's a moot question, anyway. Flagg is not staying at Duke another year.
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