2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[twix2500]

It’s to win championships, not just get there lol. There’s a lot of right in your prior post but they did not do a good job with the roster overall. The best roster we had of the Jimmy era was year 1 (post deadline), that shouldn’t have been the case.

Good job? He got to the nba finals twice! The roster got him to the nba finals twice! It makes no damn sense to say the franchise did not do a good job by getting him to two nba finals and a conference title. The roster produced regardless of your personal trade machines. The Heat was the 2nd winningest post season team during Butler era.

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No, Jimmy Spo and Bam got us to the finals despite the roster. We must be forgetting how much we were relying on undrafted guys that wouldn’t have even been in the league if they weren’t playing for the Heat. Hell, we still have plenty of those types of guys

This is where me and you have two completely different ways of thinking. You have some weird belief that if a player is undrafted that player can not be given credit...

Once a player are in the league, how that player got in the league is irrelevant. What a player did in college is irrelevant, what a player did in highschool is irelevant. What a player did in elementary school is irelevant, what a player did in church league or aau or at LA fitness or Hoop it Up is irelevant.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Good job? He got to the nba finals twice! The roster got him to the nba finals twice! It makes no damn sense to say the franchise did not do a good job by getting him to two nba finals and a conference title. The roster produced regardless of your personal trade machines. The Heat was the 2nd winningest post season team during Butler era.

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No, Jimmy Spo and Bam got us to the finals despite the roster. We must be forgetting how much we were relying on undrafted guys that wouldn’t have even been in the league if they weren’t playing for the Heat. Hell, we still have plenty of those types of guys

This is where me and you have two completely different ways of thinking. You have some weird belief that if a player is undrafted that player can not be given credit...

Once a player are in the league, how that player got in the league is irrelevant. What a player did in college is irrelevant, what a player did in highschool is irelevant. What a player did in elementary school is irelevant, what a player did in church league or aau or at LA fitness or Hoop it Up is irelevant.

We were relying on players that likely wouldn’t be in the league if not on the Heat, borderline guys. Then we’re going up against teams who’s 2-3 all stars are supported by Marcus Smart holiday Derrick white Horford KP Pritchard or whoever. Just much deeper and better overall teams. We had 2 seasons in the Jimmy era where we could say we stacked up well with those teams and it’s been a free fall since 2022

[greg4012]

I contend the 2021-2022 season was as good or better.

I'd argue that 21-22 team was literally built in Jimmy's image. Went out and got his friend to run point that he wanted, and signed rugged vets that fit his play style. The result was a team that was 1st in the East, any time you're 1st in your conference you are in theory good enough to contend for a title. We were just unlucky in the ECF, and that's the probably the best word to describe the Jimmy tenure - unlucky. It's just harder to admit it than it is to find somebody or something to lash out at.

Unlucky and not the preferred outcome. I'll never get over the Max Strus 3 overturned WAY after the fact. I'll never accept that there wasn't foul play involved.

"The call in question came with 11:04 remaining in the third quarter, when Heat guard Max Strus knocked down a three-pointer deep in the corner that cut the Celtics' lead, which had been as many as 17 earlier in the first half, to 56-54."

"After several minutes of game action—during which the Celtics put together another run of their own—the call was overturned by the NBA replay center in Secaucus, New Jersey."

Zero conclusive evidence. Never seen anything like that. FUUUCCCCK boston.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037323-heats-max-strus-says-overturned-3-pointer-changed-the-game-and-momentum-of-game-7

[Wiltside]

I contend the 2021-2022 season was as good or better.

I'd argue that 21-22 team was literally built in Jimmy's image. Went out and got his friend to run point that he wanted, and signed rugged vets that fit his play style. The result was a team that was 1st in the East, any time you're 1st in your conference you are in theory good enough to contend for a title. We were just unlucky in the ECF, and that's the probably the best word to describe the Jimmy tenure - unlucky. It's just harder to admit it than it is to find somebody or something to lash out at.

Unlucky and not the preferred outcome. I'll never get over the Max Strus 3 overturned WAY after the fact. I'll never accept that there wasn't foul play involved.

"The call in question came with 11:04 remaining in the third quarter, when Heat guard Max Strus knocked down a three-pointer deep in the corner that cut the Celtics' lead, which had been as many as 17 earlier in the first half, to 56-54."

"After several minutes of game action—during which the Celtics put together another run of their own—the call was overturned by the NBA replay center in Secaucus, New Jersey."

Zero conclusive evidence. Never seen anything like that. FUUUCCCCK boston.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037323-heats-max-strus-says-overturned-3-pointer-changed-the-game-and-momentum-of-game-7

Don't trigger me like this greg, it's too painful

That was, and remains, the most bullchit of calls. It was like 3 minutes later in game action, and I don't even think his heel clipped the sideline to begin with.

That plus the Lillard saga outcome does make you question things sometimes. Are we paying the price for gaming the system and putting the Big 3 together?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'd argue that 21-22 team was literally built in Jimmy's image. Went out and got his friend to run point that he wanted, and signed rugged vets that fit his play style. The result was a team that was 1st in the East, any time you're 1st in your conference you are in theory good enough to contend for a title. We were just unlucky in the ECF, and that's the probably the best word to describe the Jimmy tenure - unlucky. It's just harder to admit it than it is to find somebody or something to lash out at.

Unlucky and not the preferred outcome. I'll never get over the Max Strus 3 overturned WAY after the fact. I'll never accept that there wasn't foul play involved.

"The call in question came with 11:04 remaining in the third quarter, when Heat guard Max Strus knocked down a three-pointer deep in the corner that cut the Celtics' lead, which had been as many as 17 earlier in the first half, to 56-54."

"After several minutes of game action—during which the Celtics put together another run of their own—the call was overturned by the NBA replay center in Secaucus, New Jersey."

Zero conclusive evidence. Never seen anything like that. FUUUCCCCK boston.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037323-heats-max-strus-says-overturned-3-pointer-changed-the-game-and-momentum-of-game-7

Don't trigger me like this greg, it's too painful

That was, and remains, the most bullchit of calls. It was like 3 minutes later in game action, and I don't even think his heel clipped the sideline to begin with.

That plus the Lillard saga outcome does make you question things sometimes. Are we paying the price for gaming the system and putting the Big 3 together?

Every star went wherever they wanted prior to Dame and after Dame with 0 involvement from the league but let Miami be the team and all hell breaks loose. We win it all with Dame and to add insult to injury several good vet players were waiting on the trade to finalize so they could sign with us. Would’ve been such a fun and elite era

[Wiltside]

Unlucky and not the preferred outcome. I'll never get over the Max Strus 3 overturned WAY after the fact. I'll never accept that there wasn't foul play involved.



Zero conclusive evidence. Never seen anything like that. FUUUCCCCK boston.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037323-heats-max-strus-says-overturned-3-pointer-changed-the-game-and-momentum-of-game-7

Don't trigger me like this greg, it's too painful

That was, and remains, the most bullchit of calls. It was like 3 minutes later in game action, and I don't even think his heel clipped the sideline to begin with.

That plus the Lillard saga outcome does make you question things sometimes. Are we paying the price for gaming the system and putting the Big 3 together?

Every star went wherever they wanted prior to Dame and after Dame with 0 involvement from the league but let Miami be the team and all hell breaks loose. We win it all with Dame and to add insult to injury several good vet players were waiting on the trade to finalize so they could sign with us. Would’ve been such a fun and elite era

Whether we win it all or not, who knows, nothing is guaranteed, but a trio of Dame/Butler/Adebayo would certainly have remained in the conversation. Particularly with the right role players around them.

[Tony15]

We do a good job of finding/developing role players, so I’d have loved our chances to win it all with a Dame/Jimmy/Bam foundation.

Really surprising how lackluster the Dame/Giannis tandem turned out to be….they gave up Jrue & have been missing him since.


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[gom]

I was equitable in my tone before but I have to say that I am genuinely angry about how the season worked out. The team is making stupid choice after stupid choice. I was vocally against Rozier, and dammit I was right. And not extending Butler was foolish. Of course he looks great. The MFer wants to win. I don't know how much Culture that is worth, how many pretty shirts, but... ok, I guess that's enough.

BUT I COULD GO ON!

Let us know how Butler looks during that age 37 season that GS gave him max money for

Probably like Kobe, but if he has a ring on his finger, it's probably not an issue.

[wade44]

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Suck for Dame but Heat dodged a bullet?

[Shewasfly]

I'd argue that 21-22 team was literally built in Jimmy's image. Went out and got his friend to run point that he wanted, and signed rugged vets that fit his play style. The result was a team that was 1st in the East, any time you're 1st in your conference you are in theory good enough to contend for a title. We were just unlucky in the ECF, and that's the probably the best word to describe the Jimmy tenure - unlucky. It's just harder to admit it than it is to find somebody or something to lash out at.

Unlucky and not the preferred outcome. I'll never get over the Max Strus 3 overturned WAY after the fact. I'll never accept that there wasn't foul play involved.

"The call in question came with 11:04 remaining in the third quarter, when Heat guard Max Strus knocked down a three-pointer deep in the corner that cut the Celtics' lead, which had been as many as 17 earlier in the first half, to 56-54."

"After several minutes of game action—during which the Celtics put together another run of their own—the call was overturned by the NBA replay center in Secaucus, New Jersey."

Zero conclusive evidence. Never seen anything like that. FUUUCCCCK boston.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037323-heats-max-strus-says-overturned-3-pointer-changed-the-game-and-momentum-of-game-7

Don't trigger me like this greg, it's too painful

That was, and remains, the most bullchit of calls. It was like 3 minutes later in game action, and I don't even think his heel clipped the sideline to begin with.

That plus the Lillard saga outcome does make you question things sometimes. Are we paying the price for gaming the system and putting the Big 3 together?

I have said this for a long time. Its what I mean when I say the Heat will continue to get screwed in these random ways as long as Pat still runs this franchise (I don't say that to hate on or blame Pat; the league shouldn't be so corrupt).

I think its less about the big 3 though, and more about Pat's "insult" to LeBron on his way out. I think the "err on the side of screwing the Heat" has been the motto for the league since then.

[Shewasfly]

As far as roster construction, I think ideally you keep Herro, Bam, Ware, and Jokic. And then swing for the fences offering everything else for a star like KD or, I would have said Dame up until today but... Sad stuff.

But yeah, basically any aging star who can possibly be had for the cheap price we'd be able to pay.

Its unlikely though. We just don't have enough assets. So with that being the case, a complete rebuild should not be out of the question. Not sure why some people are saying it, but Bam is absolutely not untouchable in that scenario. In fact, he makes a lot more sense to move than anybody else tbh, because of his age and essentially tapped out ceiling. He also has the most value around the league so we'd get the most return. And I'm more inclined to think that if we move one of Tyler or Bam, we should just commit entirely and move the other as well and start over. Get rid of all the big contracts and be terrible for awhile while building through the draft.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

KD is dying to get to Miami after watching the boys put belt to ass to Jimmy tonight

[batterybro42]

As far as roster construction, I think ideally you keep Herro, Bam, Ware, and Jokic. And then swing for the fences offering everything else for a star like KD or, I would have said Dame up until today but... Sad stuff.

But yeah, basically any aging star who can possibly be had for the cheap price we'd be able to pay.

Its unlikely though. We just don't have enough assets. So with that being the case, a complete rebuild should not be out of the question. Not sure why some people are saying it, but Bam is absolutely not untouchable in that scenario. In fact, he makes a lot more sense to move than anybody else tbh, because of his age and essentially tapped out ceiling. He also has the most value around the league so we'd get the most return. And I'm more inclined to think that if we move one of Tyler or Bam, we should just commit entirely and move the other as well and start over. Get rid of all the big contracts and be terrible for awhile while building through the draft.

I don’t disagree with you but Riley and Arison are too old for all that, those guys want one more before handing off the keys to the next generation. I think we are in a better position than we have been in a long time to make a move, and that situation only will improve with time.

[MorbidHEAT]

I forgot Jimmy’s return game was tonight. Imagine my surprise when I see the box score and the Warriors got blown out. Hilarious.

[dshearn]

It’s to win championships, not just get there lol. There’s a lot of right in your prior post but they did not do a good job with the roster overall. The best roster we had of the Jimmy era was year 1 (post deadline), that shouldn’t have been the case.

Good job? He got to the nba finals twice! The roster got him to the nba finals twice! It makes no damn sense to say the franchise did not do a good job by getting him to two nba finals and a conference title. The roster produced regardless of your personal trade machines. The Heat was the 2nd winningest post season team during Butler era.

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No, Jimmy Spo and Bam got us to the finals despite the roster. We must be forgetting how much we were relying on undrafted guys that wouldn’t have even been in the league if they weren’t playing for the Heat. Hell, we still have plenty of those types of guys

Jimmy was a core part, even the final run that he was the 4th leading scorer on the Heat....but there is no post season run without all those guys playing balls to the wall.

The Heat simply do not go to the finals without heroic efforts by some of the other dudes. Heck you don't have Caleb in game 7 against the Cs they might not even make it that year.

Caleb average almost 20ppg that series, on over .600 shooting and something like .48 or .49 from 3...on top of pesky as hell defense.

It is just wrong to short change the other dudes who had key post season performances at the exact right times by saying Jimmy got the team there. Nah...the TEAM got there. He was a key part...but that was not a carry job.

[MartyConlonJr]

I'm not saying don't trade Bam, or Bam is off the table, but the 'he doesn't fit a rebuild timeline' seems crazy to me. Bam is 27. Jimmy Butler at 27 was on the Chicago Bulls. He spent two years between Minnesota and Philly after that before 6 years at Miami and now GSW. There is plenty of time.

Now whether he is the piece that you keep or not to start another build I think you could debate. Though I think he is the torch carrier for the Heat Culture and it is worth more than some are willing to admit to the Miami Heat staff.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm not saying don't trade Bam, or Bam is off the table, but the 'he doesn't fit a rebuild timeline' seems crazy to me. Bam is 27. Jimmy Butler at 27 was on the Chicago Bulls. He spent two years between Minnesota and Philly after that before 6 years at Miami and now GSW. There is plenty of time.

Now whether he is the piece that you keep or not to start another build I think you could debate. Though I think he is the torch carrier for the Heat Culture and it is worth more than some are willing to admit to the Miami Heat staff.

He’s not going anywhere unless he asks out

[batterybro42]

I'm not saying don't trade Bam, or Bam is off the table, but the 'he doesn't fit a rebuild timeline' seems crazy to me. Bam is 27. Jimmy Butler at 27 was on the Chicago Bulls. He spent two years between Minnesota and Philly after that before 6 years at Miami and now GSW. There is plenty of time.

Now whether he is the piece that you keep or not to start another build I think you could debate. Though I think he is the torch carrier for the Heat Culture and it is worth more than some are willing to admit to the Miami Heat staff.

I could see the concern with Bam as he ages, as his game is built on activity and athleticism. If the goal here is to win he absolutely has to be here, but if we are going to rebuild (which I do not see Miami doing) then there is a strong argument for moving him. Butler has aged pretty good overall, and is just now hitting the wall at 36-37 I expect Jimmy to really fall off here in the next year or two, this is probably his last legit shot at winning a title as a key contributor to a team. I am very pleased that Miami did not give him an extension and made the tough choice to move on before committing the next 3 years to a team built around Butler. They just can't make it all for nothing by turning around and max extending Herro. If anybody has to go so we can retool it is Tyler

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Giannis will definitely be available this summer, wonder where he’ll end up

[marson]

Giannis will definitely be available this summer, wonder where he’ll end up

Lowkey could be OKC if they choke again.