Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

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CJ is like 35 and has been in the league almost 13 years.

Been hearing his name here the last 9 seasons.

Find a new target.

[Skybox]

Embiid is cooked. Stop.

You want to find a way to get rid of good young players and/or positive assets? Trade them for a guy with no knees.

Guy has played 19 games this season and some 76ers fans would love for a team stupid enough to dig them out of that hole.

And-1

If we want a 2k trade, then CJ McCollum for Caldwell-Pope, Howard and the Denver FRP.

Wait: Actually, that trade might actually improve both teams.

What an overpay KCP is better than CJ (for our team)

Great trade...a mature playmaker and leader who can also hit 9 3's in a night and no one is shocked. Suggs/KCP/AB/Harris is incredibly redundant...mix in a guy like CJ, who can play with any of them, and you're on your way. He's also expiring and might be willing to re-up for something more moderate at this point in his career (like what we are overpaying KCP - $23m). I like KCP, but he's overpaid (which really matters now) and he doesn't fit next to one of our franchise guys, Suggs. I also like AB at SG, off the bench, where he can be an exceptional ball handler, defender, and playmaker...rather than a mediocre PG with subpar playmaking and ballhandling - exactly how Suggs revealed himself to be...two of those guys are nice, three is a waste of resources and minutes.

*Even if CJ retired or stunk or walked...the DEN frp is well worth getting $30m in misspent multi-year guaranteed money off the books.

But he won't retire-he'll be great for a few more years...even if he moved to 6th man, Super Cole (really super version)

[Knightro]

If the Magic can get the KCP they’ve gotten over the last 15 or so games over the course of a whole season, he’s worth his contract.

[drsd]

Embiid is cooked. Stop.

You want to find a way to get rid of good young players and/or positive assets? Trade them for a guy with no knees.

Guy has played 19 games this season and some 76ers fans would love for a team stupid enough to dig them out of that hole.

And-1

If we want a 2k trade, then CJ McCollum for Caldwell-Pope, Howard and the Denver FRP.

Wait: Actually, that trade might actually improve both teams.

What an overpay KCP is better than CJ (for our team)

Dude: please use green font when saying, "KCP is better than CJ".

As to overpay, Howard is useless, but has trade value for a team that wants "assets". And the Denver FRP is marginal to make the league. At most, "rotational back up in 3-years" is the assessed value of the 27th pick in the draft.

Do I want McCollum on this roster? God no! But I want Caldwell-Pope less. I want Luke Kennard or Kevin Huerter more than I want McCollum, in a Caldwell-Pope trade. (And fantasize of a Simons trade).
And I am super confident management does not care about my wants.

[Skybox]

And-1

If we want a 2k trade, then CJ McCollum for Caldwell-Pope, Howard and the Denver FRP.

Wait: Actually, that trade might actually improve both teams.

What an overpay KCP is better than CJ (for our team)

Dude: please use green font when saying, "KCP is better than CJ".

As to overpay, Howard is useless, but has trade value for a team that wants "assets". And the Denver FRP is marginal to make the league. At most, "rotational back up in 3-years" is the assessed value of the 27th pick in the draft.

Do I want McCollum on this roster? God no! But I want Caldwell-Pope less. I want Luke Kennard or Kevin Huerter more than I want McCollum, in a Caldwell-Pope trade. (And fantasize of a Simons trade).
And I am super confident management does not care about my wants.

Please add Kennard and Huerter to KCP green font list when comparing to CJ...KCP is those guys plus elite defense. CJ is all three of their offense combined, plus playmaking and leadership.

[Skybox]

CJ is like 35 and has been in the league almost 13 years.

Been hearing his name here the last 9 seasons.

Find a new target.

Washed up loser would be leading our team (by a mile) in 3pt takes and makes and pct, despite having the worst 3pt shooting season of his career. His scoring avg is probably more than our second and third best offensive guards combined. He's averaging 30+ minutes per game, like he has for the last 10 seasons. Also struggling with his lowest assist numbers in the last six seasons - but would still be way ahead of any of our guards.

He's an expiring deal. At this point in his career, he'd likely accept a lesser extension for 2 or 3 years and be the best player on the team many nights and the best guard on the team almost every night. If we could get off KCP AND Jett's burdensome guaranteed money and get an actual contributor who fits...maybe there's a reason you've been hearing his name for so long. We could probably pay him what looks like an awful overpay for KCP and actually build a backcourt that makes some sense.

CJ is better than all of the other guys we talk about (Simons, Sexton, Coby, etc) and, if not for his age and NOLA's demise and addition of DJM, would be out of our reach. He also used to have a good podcast...if you listen to it, you'll have even more admiration for him as a...grownup - which we could also use on the court and in the locker room.

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The issue with specific players, especially older ones, is about timeframes.

Acquiring guys that are likely to fall off, always injured, or about to retire gives no indication for developing a consistent system. You have CJ McCollum come here, put up numbers, and get these young guys more involved? Cool. You are now chasing that level of production of the past system you established when he retires in 2-3 seasons or he’s traded.

Want to use him as an expiring deal? Ok, then you are making a financial move rather than an on court decision. At that point you are better off just making a different move to get off of player money than attempting to establish something short term that needs to be re-built in 2 years time.

Boston didn’t go after Lou Williams in 2021 because he had an established track record at 34 years old. They moved pieces for Derrick White so they could build something with their allstar selections. They made an all in move for Jrue when they were ready to compete for a championship.

Some lines of thinking are backwards here. Just making moves simply to make them. Don’t get me wrong, I want them to make a move for an above average point guard to BUILD something. Not just to make a change for the sake of it like acquiring KCP to a non contender to show up once ever 4 games because he was a somewhat available safe move that Twitter users can eat up as a smart game changing decision to a team lacking a real system.

[drsd]

If the Magic can get the KCP they’ve gotten over the last 15 or so games over the course of a whole season, he’s worth his contract.

Hello Jeff ?

[Skybox]

If the Magic can get the KCP they’ve gotten over the last 15 or so games over the course of a whole season, he’s worth his contract.

Hello Jeff ?

I agree with the statement...just not on THIS team...unless you're counting on Suggs living on the DL.

prime KCP would be well worth it on MIL, LAL, PHX, LAC or most contenders with a premier Lead Guard who can score and playmake. If we moved Suggs, he'd make sense in ORL (dont do it)

[drsd]

CJ is like 35 and has been in the league almost 13 years.

Been hearing his name here the last 9 seasons.

Find a new target.

And-6

[Skybox]

CJ is like 35 and has been in the league almost 13 years.

Been hearing his name here the last 9 seasons.

Find a new target.

And-6

How can you talk about Luke Kennard and Huerter and then be out on CJ? Kennard, in particular, is gimpy and even at their best, neither can match CJ at any aspect of basketball.

[drsd]

How can you talk about Luke Kennard and Huerter and then be out on CJ? Kennard, in particular, is gimpy and even at their best, neither can match CJ at any aspect of basketball.

You want a PG upgrade. I want a SG upgrade. We are NEVER gonna agree there. so let's disagree agreeably on that fact.

Example: the one player in the league I believe will set this team to contention is Simons. I really believe that. That means I see Suggs as a PG in such a roster.

My fear: management will sit on their hands and do NOTHING this off-season to correct what we both see as obvious guard roster errors. I am terrified of that.
I don't care if you are right or I am right; I believe that management needs to choose a course-correction and live by their choice. A non-choice is a choice: mediocrity. That is UNACCEPTABLE.

Make a choice and make a move. Do it WePark.

[Skybox]

How can you talk about Luke Kennard and Huerter and then be out on CJ? Kennard, in particular, is gimpy and even at their best, neither can match CJ at any aspect of basketball.

You want a PG upgrade. I want a SG upgrade. We are NEVER gonna agree there. so let's disagree agreeably on that fact.

Example: the one player in the league I believe will set this team to contention is Simons. I really believe that. That means I see Suggs as a PG in such a roster.

My fear: management will sit on their hands and do NOTHING this off-season to correct what we both see as obvious guard roster errors. I am terrified of that.
I don't care if you are right or I am right; I believe that management needs to choose a course-correction and live by their choice. A non-choice is a choice: mediocrity. That is UNACCEPTABLE.

Make a choice and make a move. Do it WePark.

I hear you, but I think Simons or CJ or Coby or Sexton or Reaves are all better SG's than those guys ...they're all also capable PGs. I love their versatility, that's why I'm not all in on Tyus or CP3, for example, as more than bench sparks (as TRUE PGs).

I'd love a backcourt rotation of...

Suggs (starter), AB
Simons/CJ, etc, Tyus or Ty Jerome

...those guys can be played in infinite combinations depending on matchups, defensive assignments, etc. KCP could also be there, but his contract makes it tougher - if we're to do anything significant.

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How can you talk about Luke Kennard and Huerter and then be out on CJ? Kennard, in particular, is gimpy and even at their best, neither can match CJ at any aspect of basketball.

You want a PG upgrade. I want a SG upgrade. We are NEVER gonna agree there. so let's disagree agreeably on that fact.

Example: the one player in the league I believe will set this team to contention is Simons. I really believe that. That means I see Suggs as a PG in such a roster.

My fear: management will sit on their hands and do NOTHING this off-season to correct what we both see as obvious guard roster errors. I am terrified of that.
I don't care if you are right or I am right; I believe that management needs to choose a course-correction and live by their choice. A non-choice is a choice: mediocrity. That is UNACCEPTABLE.

Make a choice and make a move. Do it WePark.

The FO made a decision already on this argument.

They chose KCP (a SG) over a point guard. Not sure what other facts we need here on this.

I believe they made the wrong decision and believe going after another SG, instead of a PG, is tripling down on an already poor decision.

[Skybox]

How can you talk about Luke Kennard and Huerter and then be out on CJ? Kennard, in particular, is gimpy and even at their best, neither can match CJ at any aspect of basketball.

You want a PG upgrade. I want a SG upgrade. We are NEVER gonna agree there. so let's disagree agreeably on that fact.

Example: the one player in the league I believe will set this team to contention is Simons. I really believe that. That means I see Suggs as a PG in such a roster.

My fear: management will sit on their hands and do NOTHING this off-season to correct what we both see as obvious guard roster errors. I am terrified of that.
I don't care if you are right or I am right; I believe that management needs to choose a course-correction and live by their choice. A non-choice is a choice: mediocrity. That is UNACCEPTABLE.

Make a choice and make a move. Do it WePark.

The FO made a decision already on this argument.

They chose KCP (a SG) over a point guard. Not sure what other facts we need here on this.

I believe they made the wrong decision and believe going after another SG, instead of a PG, is tripling down on an already poor decision.

The fact that our offense found a way to be even worse than last year's (which wasn't easy) despite having two guys putting up All-Star ppg

The fact that a once-mediocre, now less than mediocre, PG - in minimal minutes, made everyone else on the team look better and drew the praise of our two overworked young "point forwards" for calming things down and organizing the team offensively

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[cedric76]

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If we want a 2k trade, then CJ McCollum for Caldwell-Pope, Howard and the Denver FRP.

Wait: Actually, that trade might actually improve both teams.

What an overpay KCP is better than CJ (for our team)

Dude: please use green font when saying, "KCP is better than CJ".

As to overpay, Howard is useless, but has trade value for a team that wants "assets". And the Denver FRP is marginal to make the league. At most, "rotational back up in 3-years" is the assessed value of the 27th pick in the draft.

Do I want McCollum on this roster? God no! But I want Caldwell-Pope less. I want Luke Kennard or Kevin Huerter more than I want McCollum, in a Caldwell-Pope trade. (And fantasize of a Simons trade).
And I am super confident management does not care about my wants.

Any NBA GM would rather have KCP over CJ but obviously you know better than them

[pepe1991]

Entering twilight zone.

World where KCP is better at basketball than McCullum doesn't exist in this solar system.

Like, McCullum on East would have been all star at least 3 times. IN 2019, you could make argument he was best Blazers player, team that went to WCF.

3 and D players in eyes of fans went from super underrated ( days when Danny Green, Tony Allen played for $800K- $1M a year) to super overrated now. Where guy who averages 9-2-2 makes $20M a year.

You can find 200 players around globe that can fill KCP's role without even trying. You can't find 15 players like Mccullum, you probably can't even find 10. Because it requires level of skill that most players simply don't have. On all time list, McCullum is top 100 scorer in history ( 86th with 19,6 ppg for career). What is KCP ? Won two titles? Cool. So did McGee, hell Kuzma is nba champion.


Case and point, somebody as incompetent as Kings found Keon Ellis, undrafted, age 25, 6'4. He is already better than KCP. Makes $2,5M a year.

[GelbeWand09]

If the Magic can get the KCP they’ve gotten over the last 15 or so games over the course of a whole season, he’s worth his contract.

In a vacuum yea, but not for this team when you consider financial value and what the team needs. There are much more needed player types this team needs than a slightly better more available Gary Harris. This team got too many holes and lacks too much offensive talent to pay his player type when Suggs is healthy that much money and ignore the more important player types. Hell even a more fitting Center next to Paolo is more important than KCP.
In the end it's the same discussion from before the season. There was never a doubt that in a vacuum he is worth that money if he plays like in the 3-4 seasons before but is he the ideal fit for that money for this team and for what it needs? For me, clear No and this won't change because his player type won't change no matter if he plays like crap or his normal self. He is way too limited and low volume for what we need on offense and his positive defense is easy replaceable for cheap or a healthy Suggs/Black combination.

[drsd]

Any NBA GM would rather have KCP over CJ but obviously you know better than them

I am a little concerned you are being serious here. We really need green fonts from you so we can understand you are being sarcastic.

McCollum is a 21/4/4 guy right-now, and will "only" make 30.6M next year.