Matas Progress Tracker

[WesPeace]

Matas @ 4
P Will @ 3

Pat has untapped potential as a playmaking SF. I’d continue to let him tap into that off the bench.

Pat is unequivocally slower, fatter, and less athletic than Matas, so yeah, let's stick him at the 3

Pat has untapped potential as a flower salesman.

The main point for PWill for next season was written 50x already.. getting him back to leaner slimmer body, rookie type almost, he just isnt a PF, they tried multiple season. He isnt rebounder, he isnt blocker like Matas is.. PWill should go on big conditioning offseason and be SF ready.

[sco]

Matas @ 4
P Will @ 3

Pat has untapped potential as a playmaking SF. I’d continue to let him tap into that off the bench.

Pat is unequivocally slower, fatter, and less athletic than Matas, so yeah, let's stick him at the 3

Pat has untapped potential as a flower salesman.

The main point for PWill for next season was written 50x already.. getting him back to leaner slimmer body, rookie type almost, he just isnt a PF, they tried multiple season. He isnt rebounder, he isnt blocker like Matas is.. PWill should go on big conditioning offseason and be SF ready.

I will say that PWill was previously quoted IIRC going into last offseason that he wanted to be leaner. I think his issue was his foot limiting his aerobic work, so I think that if he can stay healthy, he will be lighter heading into next season.

[GoBlue72391]

Matas @ 4
P Will @ 3

Pat has untapped potential as a playmaking SF. I’d continue to let him tap into that off the bench.

Pat is unequivocally slower, fatter, and less athletic than Matas, so yeah, let's stick him at the 3

Pat has untapped potential as a flower salesman.

The main point for PWill for next season was written 50x already.. getting him back to leaner slimmer body, rookie type almost, he just isnt a PF, they tried multiple season. He isnt rebounder, he isnt blocker like Matas is.. PWill should go on big conditioning offseason and be SF ready.

We're long past the point of trying to redeem him. He's not a keeper and there's no rebuilding his value, especially with his contract.

We just need to dump him and give his minutes to someone worth developing. The experiment is over and it's a total failure.

[sco]

Pat is unequivocally slower, fatter, and less athletic than Matas, so yeah, let's stick him at the 3

Pat has untapped potential as a flower salesman.

The main point for PWill for next season was written 50x already.. getting him back to leaner slimmer body, rookie type almost, he just isnt a PF, they tried multiple season. He isnt rebounder, he isnt blocker like Matas is.. PWill should go on big conditioning offseason and be SF ready.

We're long past the point of trying to redeem him. He's not a keeper and there's no rebuilding his value, especially with his contract.

We just need to dump him and give his minutes to someone worth developing. The experiment is over and it's a total failure.

I look at it the other way. We NEED to "redeem" him, because that contract is untradeable for years. IMO, the best we can do is try to turn him back into the capable defending, 3pt shooting, 5th option scorer he used to be. It's not worth $18M, but that way you don't need to add even more salary to find a guy to back-up forward minutes. If he can become "that guy" again, and give us 24 good minutes a game, it takes the $15M of overpay down to $5-$7M.

[eierluke]

I'm all for a big initiative to salvage what is possible - but it seems more likely that we should develope him into a towel waver or benny the bully substitute.
We have to carry him around unless he becomes tradable (last year of his contract). Most important thing until then is that he does not soar and becomes a source of bad mood.

[WindyCityBorn]

The main point for PWill for next season was written 50x already.. getting him back to leaner slimmer body, rookie type almost, he just isnt a PF, they tried multiple season. He isnt rebounder, he isnt blocker like Matas is.. PWill should go on big conditioning offseason and be SF ready.

We're long past the point of trying to redeem him. He's not a keeper and there's no rebuilding his value, especially with his contract.

We just need to dump him and give his minutes to someone worth developing. The experiment is over and it's a total failure.

I look at it the other way. We NEED to "redeem" him, because that contract is untradeable for years. IMO, the best we can do is try to turn him back into the capable defending, 3pt shooting, 5th option scorer he used to be. It's not worth $18M, but that way you don't need to add even more salary to find a guy to back-up forward minutes. If he can become "that guy" again, and give us 24 good minutes a game, it takes the $15M of overpay down to $5-$7M.

Yeah we really have to no choice but to try develop him into a serviceability reserve. No is one taking that contract without dumping something just as bad or worse on us. And we certainly are not in position to attach picks or an actual good young player just to move him.

[cocktailswith_2short]

Matas is definitely flashing . He's having a hard time putting it together for a full game but that's to be expected . Let's just pray he keeps working on his game and puts it all together .

[Muzbar]

So is anyone still wholly unimpressed by Matas and very upset that the Bulls drafted him at 11?

[MissileMike]

So is anyone still wholly unimpressed by Matas and very upset that the Bulls drafted him at 11?

Was anyone here actually upset at the pick? I remember most people liking it then, and still liking it.

[cocktailswith_2short]

So is anyone still wholly unimpressed by Matas and very upset that the Bulls drafted him at 11?

We got lucky . We don't get a lot of that so it's refreshing to see . I had high hopes for Matas and he's mostly met them . I remember being perplexed he was falling so far on draft night .He was 5th on my big board .

[Jcool0]

So is anyone still wholly unimpressed by Matas and very upset that the Bulls drafted him at 11?

We got lucky . We don't get a lot of that so it's refreshing to see . I had high hopes for Matas and he's mostly met them . I remember being perplexed he was falling so far on draft night .He was 5th on my big board .

Most NBA Draft guys had him top 6.

[Muzbar]

So is anyone still wholly unimpressed by Matas and very upset that the Bulls drafted him at 11?

Was anyone here actually upset at the pick? I remember most people liking it then, and still liking it.

Ohh yeah, in fact what I wrote was almost a direct quote (albeit before the draft). Someone even said that AK **** the bed again.

Only a small handful, they know who they are.

[WindyCityBorn]

He is gonna be a good two way player at worst. Possibly great. Has all the tools. All-NBA defense potential with one of the tightest handles I have seen on a 6’10” guy.

[MGB8]

We're long past the point of trying to redeem him. He's not a keeper and there's no rebuilding his value, especially with his contract.

We just need to dump him and give his minutes to someone worth developing. The experiment is over and it's a total failure.

I look at it the other way. We NEED to "redeem" him, because that contract is untradeable for years. IMO, the best we can do is try to turn him back into the capable defending, 3pt shooting, 5th option scorer he used to be. It's not worth $18M, but that way you don't need to add even more salary to find a guy to back-up forward minutes. If he can become "that guy" again, and give us 24 good minutes a game, it takes the $15M of overpay down to $5-$7M.

Yeah we really have to no choice but to try develop him into a serviceability reserve. No is one taking that contract without dumping something just as bad or worse on us. And we certainly are not in position to attach picks or an actual good young player just to move him.

I think he already is a serviceable reserve. Just no signs of being more than that, so he’s madly overpaid. But not much to do about it. You just carry him as an overpaid reserve, maybe he becomes filler in a trade down the line, maybe he improves more over time.

[DuallyNoted]

Do any of you really think you think you can develop someone by giving them 43284723 shots in the g league or do you just like to read your voice without any analysis? this is such a stupid argument they might as well rename this thread "dumbassGM"

notice how any matas supporter in here wasn't calling for your boyfriend williams to get more shots in the G-league we just wanted to see him put in any effort ever and now that he did once or twice in 400 games that's supposed to be a slight on someone wanting the 11th pick to get some looks? nah to hell with that. you are the poison fan, like the knicks fans that cry whenever their new toy doesnt work.
i'm done with you guys that have more posts than minutes watching the games than i am with any player on this team ever.

you love your voices and we're sick of them speaking as if you're the majority.

Does anyone know what this guy's talking about?

you in a year or two after a few less posts and a few more thoughts

my drunken babbling about matas makes sense dont it. yall would still have him practicing jumpers in the g-league

[GoBlue72391]

Does anyone know what this guy's talking about?

you in a year or two after a few less posts and a few more thoughts

my drunken babbling about matas makes sense dont it. yall would still have him practicing jumpers in the g-league

I never wanted Matas to go to the G League, I was just making fun of your post for being incomprehensible, nonsensical rambling.

[DuallyNoted]

you in a year or two after a few less posts and a few more thoughts

my drunken babbling about matas makes sense dont it. yall would still have him practicing jumpers in the g-league

I never wanted Matas to go to the G League, I was just making fun of your post for being incomprehensible, nonsensical rambling.

fair enough my point was that if you have enough time to babble on for 3492u43274328 posts you have enough time to actually sit down for a second and understand the person talking to you instead of adding another 40 posts to your handkerchief.

[GoBlue72391]

my drunken babbling about matas makes sense dont it. yall would still have him practicing jumpers in the g-league

I never wanted Matas to go to the G League, I was just making fun of your post for being incomprehensible, nonsensical rambling.

fair enough my point was that if you have enough time to babble on for 3492u43274328 posts you have enough time to actually sit down for a second and understand the person talking to you instead of adding another 40 posts to your handkerchief.

Well I don't understand you, so maybe I need another 3492u43274328 posts until I do.

[DuallyNoted]

I never wanted Matas to go to the G League, I was just making fun of your post for being incomprehensible, nonsensical rambling.

fair enough my point was that if you have enough time to babble on for 3492u43274328 posts you have enough time to actually sit down for a second and understand the person talking to you instead of adding another 40 posts to your handkerchief.

Well I don't understand you, so maybe I need another 3492u43274328 posts until I do.

3492u43274328+2 apparently

Re-read but admit you were wrong about Williams and Buzelis. Or post another 2000 times.

[Muzbar]

Anyway...

I was just on nba draft subreddit and there's a thread asking if Cody Williams is having the worse rookie season of any lottery pick (that got minutes). The consensus was yes.

I was certain Utah was going to pick Buzelis, I was so happy when they picked Williams.