Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[Mtsportsfan]

to be honest my prediction for the playoffs was relative early exit and then trading Dame in the ofseason

now i expect even earlier exit and i doubt if we will be able to trade Dame even if we want it.

I would not be surprised now if Giannis is traded during the summer and going for full rebuild

Your spot on about the playoffs and trading Dame ( hard to do now) but trading Giannis and do a full rebuild .. No ! Giannis is your building block , great foundation! Everyone else is on the block. Unfortunately with Dame's condition and probably not able to trade him makes it really hard to to do roster construction with such a high salary on the books. Not looking good! I don't trust bucks management! To many cooks in the kitchen!

[fan230]

Trading Dame then for someone like Herro I think would have been feasible, and worth it.

I have never been thrilled with Dame but had accepted him as a top 75 player.

[GoldenAntlers]

Just to be transparent, because you guys are like family. Doc gave me about a year. But the cancer is quite rare so he said could me little more, could be less (obviously). So hopefully you'll have to put up with me a little longer than not.

Sending love and light, man. We're all here for you.

[Plossum]

I expect our defence will improve a lot without Dame. We’re gonna have to quickly reinvent ourselves around our D if anything good is going to happen. We certainly don’t have much firepower left on offence.

[pifhluk23]

Trade Giannis please, he can't win here.

I still wonder why you giannis only fans even post here. This is the bucks forum not the Giannis one. Dudes got a freak medical condition and you post some clown stuff like this. MD should put you in timeout for this one.

The team is cooked now 0% chance Dame is back this year, show me one reasonable path to winning a championship from here? You literally cannot. So we might as well trade Giannis so that A) he can try and win somehwere else and B) Get max value for him. I hung on as long as I could being an optimist about this team having a shot at a title but this Dame news seals the deal.

[Big Dog Yank]

Just to be transparent, because you guys are like family. Doc gave me about a year. But the cancer is quite rare so he said could me little more, could be less (obviously). So hopefully you'll have to put up with me a little longer than not.

I hope you have an amazing doctor who is the world's worst guestimator, and that you have many great years of good health ahead of you.

[pifhluk23]

It's KPJ and Rollins..

Two guys who are currently not signed passed this season. Rough. If KPJ shows out like we all hope right now, it's gonna be really difficult to retain him.

if we move dame then we'll have all sorts of ability to resign him

Idk if we can even move him now without attaching assets. Watch what KD goes for this Summer and Dame should go for slightly less, it's going to shock people how bad the packages are for 50M+ old guys.

[soxperry]

Kpj situation is complex

You want him to start but you also very much need his creation with Giannis off so it also makes sense to bring him off the bench.

You want him to step up and be able to score 15-20 per game for us with Dame out but if he plays too well we may not be able to afford him.

[German Athens]

Why exactly would Dame go for less than he would have otherwise? If the treatment is for 3 months, he’ll be fine in June. It’s not a sports related injury where it would dramatically impact performance, and DVT isn’t likely to occur again, right?

[Ron Swanson]

Have no idea what KPJ's market will be if he looks good these next few weeks in a bigger role, but all it would take is some team to offer him like, 2-years $30 million total (15 per) and we wouldn't be able to afford that even with the full non tax-payer MLE (which we surely won't have). And that's even before getting into the idea that I want no part of him on a long term contract unless it has some sort of "personal conduct" waiver clause or non-guaranteed years built in (basically what his last contract with Houston was).

[jute2003]

That **** is scary and I'm glad they got the calf soreness thoroughly checked out. Could have done more than just ended his career if it was left unchecked.

[fansinceforever]

We don't need to worry about retaining KPJ this off-season. This off-season will be a wrecking ball.

[Ron Swanson]

We don't need to worry about retaining KPJ this off-season. This off-season will be a wrecking ball.

People keep saying this but what exactly does this look like to you guys? We have the 6 players under contract for next season in Giannis, Dame, Kuzma, AJ Green, Pat, Tyler Smith, and zero draft picks (I guess a 2nd round pick in the mid-40's if you wanna get technical). A lot of you guys aren't gonna like the scenario that likely ends up happening, but it's still probably the best scenario.

[ReginaldDwight]

Trade Giannis please, he can't win here.

I still wonder why you giannis only fans even post here. This is the bucks forum not the Giannis one. Dudes got a freak medical condition and you post some clown stuff like this. MD should put you in timeout for this one.

The team is cooked now 0% chance Dame is back this year, show me one reasonable path to winning a championship from here? You literally cannot. So we might as well trade Giannis so that A) he can try and win somehwere else and B) Get max value for him. I hung on as long as I could being an optimist about this team having a shot at a title but this Dame news seals the deal.

Poor Giannis on the supermax deal. Dudes a wealthy wealthy man because the bucks organization believed in him. They owe him no favors so he can “win” trading Giannis isn’t gonna happen my dude.

[fansinceforever]

We don't need to worry about retaining KPJ this off-season. This off-season will be a wrecking ball.

People keep saying this but what exactly does this look like to you guys? We have the 6 players under contract for next season in Giannis, Dame, Kuzma, AJ Green, Pat, Tyler Smith, and zero draft picks (I guess a 2nd round pick in the mid-40's if you wanna get technical). A lot of you guys aren't gonna like the scenario that likely ends up happening, but it's still probably the best scenario.

This is the off-season where the conversation with Giannis that we've all been dreading takes place. Just my prediction.

[CharityStripe34]

Health is most important. Assuming Dame is 100% fine by the summer, you keep him and Giannis and maybe clear the decks with everyone else that you can. Not going to be easy to navigate.

[CharityStripe34]

We don't need to worry about retaining KPJ this off-season. This off-season will be a wrecking ball.

People keep saying this but what exactly does this look like to you guys? We have the 6 players under contract for next season in Giannis, Dame, Kuzma, AJ Green, Pat, Tyler Smith, and zero draft picks (I guess a 2nd round pick in the mid-40's if you wanna get technical). A lot of you guys aren't gonna like the scenario that likely ends up happening, but it's still probably the best scenario.

This is the off-season where the conversation with Giannis that we've all been dreading takes place. Just my prediction.

The conversation should be had with Horst first and the owners. I know I have very little confidence in Horst attempting a retool.

[Ron Swanson]

We don't need to worry about retaining KPJ this off-season. This off-season will be a wrecking ball.

People keep saying this but what exactly does this look like to you guys? We have the 6 players under contract for next season in Giannis, Dame, Kuzma, AJ Green, Pat, Tyler Smith, and zero draft picks (I guess a 2nd round pick in the mid-40's if you wanna get technical). A lot of you guys aren't gonna like the scenario that likely ends up happening, but it's still probably the best scenario.

This is the off-season where the conversation with Giannis that we've all been dreading takes place. Just my prediction.

Ok, but if that's true then we actually do need to worry about how we're gonna retain KPJ and whatever other meager young talent that's on the roster. There's no way around our inability to navigate a full scale rebuild without access to any of our draft picks until 2031.

[Bernman]

This is the 1st season the Middleton-Dame-Giannis plan was broken up. So I'm sure at least another (half or more) season will be played before we figure if the plan B has worked. Bailing on trying to contend w/ Giannis already would be daft.

For one, you're giving up on a generational player in his prime, who has developed a mid-range shot that makes him much harder to guard than before. He projects to kick up his d in the playoffs. Don't believe he needs a strong core otherwise around him to contend. Just something more than LeBron got w/ the Cavs, when he was even making Finals'.

For two, you've given up all your own picks thru 2030. This plan was in place to contend until Giannis was over the hill. You're priced in to a large degree. Unless you get your own picks back from Portland at least, & some others, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Ron Swanson]

If there is any sort of silver lining to Dame getting shut down (assuming/praying this doesn't end his career), it's that I don't see how it doesn't severely lessen the odds of Giannis "asking out". No team can weather their 2nd best player going down (just look at Denver/Jokic) and especially not a team as reliant on their Top-2 guys as us. Just bring in a new GM and coach that have a vision/identity in mind for the roster, and sell Giannis on the next 2-year plan.

The biggest problem I see is what to even do with Kuzma. Dude hasn't done much of anything to rehab his trade value, but his contract is also still pretty movable. His salary is gonna be needed for any major offseason move that we entertain, so we really need him to start putting up some good numbers these last 10 or so games, and not look lost in a playoff series.