Jarrett Allen availability, value, offers

[Iwasawitness]

In order for the Cavs to reach their full potential, what they really need is a backup big for Mobley/Allen. Other than that, I don’t think they should make any moves at all.

[axeman23]

I would THINK about the Hartenstein & 1st idea, with the 1st I'd target being the BEST of 26 picks they have, with the view of drafting Dash Daniels. NO has the Indy and Bucks picks, neither of which will be high enough for Daniels, and Indy have NOTHING in 26, draft-wise. If OKC balked at the "best of", and tried to make it "2nd best of", absolutely NO deal. Daniels is the prize I want for this core...

[brackdan70]

I think that even though he's a very good player,
I think if the Cavs want to maximize their team, they'll eventually have to use Mobley as their starting 5.
He's 26 years old (he turns 27 in a month). He has four more years on his contract (after this one), earning $20/$28/$30/$32 million.
He's averaging 13.5 ppg/10rb/2ast in 28.6 minutes.
What do you think it is worth? And what would you offer for it?
or not available

I would guess he is not available. He is a top 20 impact guy. Fundamentally great defensive big.
Good contract.
If he were to be traded I think he is worth a good prospect coming back and a couple firsts.

[jbk1234]

The premise is flawed. Mobley is not now, and may never be, a full time center. I don't know that he has the constitution for it, and I don't see how him starting him against the biggest centers does anything other than exacerbate the problem.

Allen does fine against bigger centers so long as a second opponent isn't also pinning him. Approximately 90% of Cavs recent rebounding issues come off of long rebounds from missed 3s and perimeter players leaking out before we've ended the possession. There were improvements on that front last night, but there's still a couple of guys who need to be willing to sacrifice their fast break points.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think simply signing a guy like Mo Wagner would do wonders for them. They dont need to break up Mobley / Allen.

[Mavrelous]

Gafford to ATL into TPE
Lively to the Cavs
JAFRO to the Mavs

Cavs get 2 years of cost controled rookie scale contract with highet upside, they also drop salary enough to signed their vet min FAs and use TPMLE, Mavs get a vet center with better health record and higher floor.

[Texas Chuck]

I want to see the playoffs again. If Cleveland finds they can't compete against the elite teams with both bigs on the court, then I think you explore moving Allen. But I'm making no decisions to split the core after a dominant regular season until I'm convinced it won't translate.

And no interest in trading him for a risk just to save some salary unless the governor comes out and just says we have to trim salary. I would definitely want a dependable replacement plus incentive towards upgrading somewhere else.

[jbk1234]

I want to see the playoffs again. If Cleveland finds they can't compete against the elite teams with both bigs on the court, then I think you explore moving Allen. But I'm making no decisions to split the core after a dominant regular season until I'm convinced it won't translate.

And no interest in trading him for a risk just to save some salary unless the governor comes out and just says we have to trim salary. I would definitely want a dependable replacement plus incentive towards upgrading somewhere else.

All of this. The Cavs won't even begin the clock on the repeater tax until next season.

[mcfly1204]

I want to see the playoffs again. If Cleveland finds they can't compete against the elite teams with both bigs on the court, then I think you explore moving Allen. But I'm making no decisions to split the core after a dominant regular season until I'm convinced it won't translate.

And no interest in trading him for a risk just to save some salary unless the governor comes out and just says we have to trim salary. I would definitely want a dependable replacement plus incentive towards upgrading somewhere else.

All of this. The Cavs won't even begin the clock on the repeater tax until next season.

To add to that, had Cleveland not traded for Hunter, I could see a need where you'd consider moving Allen. At this point, what does Cleveland actually need?

[tmorgan]

I want to see the playoffs again. If Cleveland finds they can't compete against the elite teams with both bigs on the court, then I think you explore moving Allen. But I'm making no decisions to split the core after a dominant regular season until I'm convinced it won't translate.

And no interest in trading him for a risk just to save some salary unless the governor comes out and just says we have to trim salary. I would definitely want a dependable replacement plus incentive towards upgrading somewhere else.

All of this. The Cavs won't even begin the clock on the repeater tax until next season.

To add to that, had Cleveland not traded for Hunter, I could see a need where you'd consider moving Allen. At this point, what does Cleveland actually need?

Greater playoff success, and another quality big. That’s it, really.

(and maybe a bigger starting guard, but that’s risky, messing with your offense, so probably not)

[DowJones]

Jarrett Allen is a very good basketball player. If Cleveland decides to trade him, it’s because they’ve realized that in the most important games of the season, they prefer not to play him down the stretch and instead move Mobley to the 5 for better spacing. With that in mind, you don’t trade Allen for a lesser center and a random draft pick. You’d want to trade him for a talented 3/4 that can close games for the Cavs. Trey Murphy makes sense, and Herb Jones with a decent draft pick could also work.

Of course, all of this depends on the playoff results. If the Cavs go to a Game 7 with Boston and Allen plays a significant role, there’s no reason to make a change. If the Cavs beat Boston, then again, no change is necessary.

[DowJones]

I want to see the playoffs again. If Cleveland finds they can't compete against the elite teams with both bigs on the court, then I think you explore moving Allen. But I'm making no decisions to split the core after a dominant regular season until I'm convinced it won't translate.

And no interest in trading him for a risk just to save some salary unless the governor comes out and just says we have to trim salary. I would definitely want a dependable replacement plus incentive towards upgrading somewhere else.

All of this. The Cavs won't even begin the clock on the repeater tax until next season.

To add to that, had Cleveland not traded for Hunter, I could see a need where you'd consider moving Allen. At this point, what does Cleveland actually need?

This is impossible to determine until after the playoffs. What if we reach an ECF matchup with Boston and it’s clear that our closing lineup is Garland, Mitchell, Strus, Hunter, and Mobley? If that’s the case, game after game, and the Cavs lose the series in 5 or an uncompetitive 6, I would argue that what Cleveland needs is an upgrade on the perimeter, particularly someone who can defend Boston’s wings. If we see Garland consistently isolated in one-on-one situations with Brown or Tatum, leading to defensive breakdowns, that’s another issue to consider.

I keep saying this, but a best-of-seven series against the top NBA teams is completely different from the regular season. It drives me crazy seeing Cleveland fans constantly arguing for a third big, as if it’s the missing piece. That third big won’t even see the floor in the games that truly matter.

[Astaluego]

I want to see the playoffs again. If Cleveland finds they can't compete against the elite teams with both bigs on the court, then I think you explore moving Allen. But I'm making no decisions to split the core after a dominant regular season until I'm convinced it won't translate.

And no interest in trading him for a risk just to save some salary unless the governor comes out and just says we have to trim salary. I would definitely want a dependable replacement plus incentive towards upgrading somewhere else.

All of this. The Cavs won't even begin the clock on the repeater tax until next season.

To add to that, had Cleveland not traded for Hunter, I could see a need where you'd consider moving Allen. At this point, what does Cleveland actually need?

A defensive forward and a bigger backup center?
OG + Robinson for Allen + Okoro + Struss...

Garland/Mitchell/Hunter/OG/Mobley
*Jerome/FA/Tyson/Wade/Robinson

For the Knicks... well, Towns is almost unplayable defensively at the 5, and they need to improve their depth.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/KAT/Allen
Mcbridge/Okoro/Struss/*Achiuwa/FA

[DowJones]

All of this. The Cavs won't even begin the clock on the repeater tax until next season.

To add to that, had Cleveland not traded for Hunter, I could see a need where you'd consider moving Allen. At this point, what does Cleveland actually need?

A defensive forward and a bigger backup center?
OG + Robinson for Allen + Okoro + Struss...

Garland/Mitchell/Hunter/OG/Mobley
*Jerome/FA/Tyson/Wade/Robinson

For the Knicks... well, Towns is almost unplayable defensively at the 5, and they need to improve their depth.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/KAT/Allen
Mcbridge/Okoro/Struss/*Achiuwa/FA

I like the idea of an OG for Allen swap, but I’m not including Strus. Strus is a tough defender who can shoot, and I want him come playoff time. I don’t see an OG trade that makes sense for Cleveland. The Cavs would need to add Okoro (I’m fine with that) and Tyson. The Cavs need Tyson to be a rotation player in the coming years, and I think he can fill that role. The Cavs could add Wade in, but I am still high on Wade. I don't view him as a throw-in. To me, he is a 6-9 3/4 that can play good defense and knock down an open 3. OG’s salary is probably just too high for the Cavs to make a serious move.

[jbk1234]

All of this. The Cavs won't even begin the clock on the repeater tax until next season.

To add to that, had Cleveland not traded for Hunter, I could see a need where you'd consider moving Allen. At this point, what does Cleveland actually need?

A defensive forward and a bigger backup center?
OG + Robinson for Allen + Okoro + Struss...

Garland/Mitchell/Hunter/OG/Mobley
*Jerome/FA/Tyson/Wade/Robinson

For the Knicks... well, Towns is almost unplayable defensively at the 5, and they need to improve their depth.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/KAT/Allen
Mcbridge/Okoro/Struss/*Achiuwa/FA

The Cavs issues the last two postseason runs have stemmed from injuries and depleted rosters. I can't see them trading for O.G. and Robinson. I'll let the Knicks run that risk.