2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt. 3)

Post #401 » by **bisme37** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 4:55 pm

Baylor Scheierman has been doing stuff.

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Post #402 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:12 pm

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tmorgan · Post #403 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 5:21 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:The Cade/Ivey/Holland/Ausar/Duren lineup is gonna be amazing a couple of years down the road.

Who's gonna shoot the ball?

That might be the worst lineup spacing in the history of the modern NBA.

34/35/20/22/0 - These are the career 3pt% for each guy.

That would be worse offense than the Magic with half of the defense.

I don’t think Hollamd and Ivey together is going to be a thing. It’s going to be one of those two, the others, and a shooter of some kind, likely at the 4.

I believe in the future of Holland’s shot, but Ivey is already close to there. The question is, offense or defense?

And yeah, spacing matters — but when you’re on a months-long trend of leading the league in dunks, transition points, and paint buckets, it’s not as big a deal as it is in say, Boston. And that’s without Ivey. Pistons are different.

jasonxxx102 · Post #404 » by **jasonxxx102** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 6:02 pm

tmorgan wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:The Cade/Ivey/Holland/Ausar/Duren lineup is gonna be amazing a couple of years down the road.

Who's gonna shoot the ball?

That might be the worst lineup spacing in the history of the modern NBA.

34/35/20/22/0 - These are the career 3pt% for each guy.

That would be worse offense than the Magic with half of the defense.

I don’t think Hollamd and Ivey together is going to be a thing. It’s going to be one of those two, the others, and a shooter of some kind, likely at the 4.

I believe in the future of Holland’s shot, but Ivey is already close to there. The question is, offense or defense?

And yeah, spacing matters — but when you’re on a months-long trend of leading the league in dunks, transition points, and paint buckets, it’s not as big a deal as it is in say, Boston. And that’s without Ivey. Pistons are different.

The only problem with a transition offense is that it doesn't translate to the playoffs.

Ivey is definitely the best shooter of the bunch. Ausar's shot mechanics are pretty awful, I don't expect him to ever be an above average shooter, and while they don't look terrible, Holland is also just not a guy who I can project to be a + shooter.

If you're gonna have Ausar out there, you need shooting at the 2 and the 4.

tmorgan · Post #405 » by **tmorgan** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 6:45 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
tmorgan wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:
Who's gonna shoot the ball?

That might be the worst lineup spacing in the history of the modern NBA.

34/35/20/22/0 - These are the career 3pt% for each guy.

That would be worse offense than the Magic with half of the defense.

I don’t think Hollamd and Ivey together is going to be a thing. It’s going to be one of those two, the others, and a shooter of some kind, likely at the 4.

I believe in the future of Holland’s shot, but Ivey is already close to there. The question is, offense or defense?

And yeah, spacing matters — but when you’re on a months-long trend of leading the league in dunks, transition points, and paint buckets, it’s not as big a deal as it is in say, Boston. And that’s without Ivey. Pistons are different.

The only problem with a transition offense is that it doesn't translate to the playoffs.

Ivey is definitely the best shooter of the bunch. Ausar's shot mechanics are pretty awful, I don't expect him to ever be an above average shooter, and while they don't look terrible, Holland is also just not a guy who I can project to be a + shooter.

If you're gonna have Ausar out there, you need shooting at the 2 and the 4.

I agree on Ausar, I doubt he’s ever a solid shooter outside 10 feet. It’s almost unfair if he ever is, really.

Holland, though, I disagree. His shot looks just fine, and I think he’ll get there. We’re going to need to make a decision on who we’re keeping pretty soon, though. You can’t waste the potential of Ivey or Holland by not getting them both starters minutes next year, and we just can’t do that unless we trade Ausar (which would be crazy) or one of the three gets seriously injured again.

And, sadly, I’m pretty sure you’re right about the playoffs, which we’ll see soon enough. We need to work with Duren to get him buckets outside of the paint in the future — he has amazing hands and good touch. He’s capable, he does it in summer league, it’s a matter of reps and confidence. Ausar we’re just going to have to work around, he’s so impactful otherwise.

I think we can get away with 2 non-shooters because both are extreme lob threats, very athletic, very good awareness on cuts, and Cade is an elite lob thrower. I’d prefer not to, but that’s reality. Anyone else in the lineup better be league average or better and consistent enough to require a defender at all times. That’s on Cade, Ivey, Holland, Tobias, and anyone else we might end up with.

jayu70 · Post #406 » by **jayu70** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:57 am

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sashaturiaf · Post #407 » by **sashaturiaf** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:58 am

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brackdan70 · Post #408 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:24 pm

bisme37 wrote:Baylor Scheierman has been doing stuff.

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Yeah I came here to vote for him but he is t in the poll

Post #409 » by **bisme37** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:04 pm

Yo this Scheierman kid barely played until the last couple weeks and now he's amazing

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ItsDanger · Post #410 » by **ItsDanger** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 5:07 pm

I liked Scheierman in college but going to Boston wasn't ideal for him, no playing time.

jasonxxx102 · Post #411 » by **jasonxxx102** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 5:18 pm

This is the most Baylor Scheierman has ever been talked about in his life lol

HotelVitale · Post #412 » by **HotelVitale** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:01 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:
prime1time wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
Spoiler:

Butler did not start his career as a number 1. He was an elite role player in CHI for 3 years before turning into a star. Also FYI his career high PPG is only around 20 points. He has spent most of his career just trying to fit in with other stars.

I think Fox is overrated and he should be the one packing his bags as he is the only one standing in the way of Castle's development

I have to disagree with this. I don't think stats paint the entire picture. There regular season Jimmy and then there's playoff Jimmy. Playoff Jimmy is a dominant #1 option that takes over the teams offense.
Playoff Jimmy is a different animal. Very similar to regular season Manu and playoff Manu. There's a real chance that Castle might never come close to doing in the playoffs what Jimmy Butler has done. People might disagree but I have Jimmy B as a 1st ballot HOF.

Stats do paint the picture. Playoff Jimmy wasn't even a thing until he went to MIA and he was 30 years old. Outside of his MIA playoff stint, he was just an elite role player giving you 20-5-5 who can on occasion, take over games. He was never a consistent #1. That's the guy Castle can be. He is still only 20

Don't want to get lost in the semantics but really no one would characterize pre-MIA Butler as more 'role player' than 'consistent #1.' That's just not a reasonable way to phrase things.

He wasn't a mega-volume guy but he was the best initiator and top scorer on every pre-MIA team he was on since he made his little leap in his 4th season (besides his half year in Philly). He just didn't push himself to take all the shots he could in the RS, and would run hot and cold in his volume.

Unlee your argument is that Castle will also have the ability to be a top scorer but will only make use of that sometimes and usually in the PO, I don't think the comparison is very useful.

Megadoo11 · Post #413 » by **Megadoo11** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 2:15 pm

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jasonxxx102 · Post #414 » by **jasonxxx102** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:32 pm

If you have to qualify your take by saying "I'm not making this up as a homer", you're absolutely making a homer take

but also the fact that this is even a discussion (him being in the running for best offensive rookie season this year) is a really great example of just how awful this class is

Post #415 » by **tsherkin** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:42 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:If you have to qualify your take by saying "I'm not making this up as a homer", you're absolutely making a homer take

but also the fact that this is even a discussion (him being in the running for best offensive rookie season this year) is a really great example of just how awful this class is

Yeah, he's averaging 8.9 ppg. No one cares about what he's doing at that volume in a debate about best offensive player in the rookie class. He's shooting well from 3.

Catchall · Post #416 » by **Catchall** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:40 pm

Filipowski is apparently shooting the highest 3FG% in the league since February, along with Deandre Hunter.

Post #417 » by **tsherkin** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 7:52 pm

Catchall wrote:Filipowski is apparently shooting the highest 3FG% in the league since February, along with Deandre Hunter.

He shot 52.9% from 3 in February on 34 attempts. He's shooting 43.9% in March so far on 66 attempts.

Again, at the volume he's shooting, I don't think anyone is paying TOO close attention. Over 3/8s of his attempts are from the corner, too. I mean, he's doing his job well, but he's taken 37 or 38 of his 100 shots from February forward from the corner. Of course he's shooting well. At his usage, this all matters only so much. He's taking what, 3.7 3PA/g over the past 27 games. He's doing well, but it hardly qualifies him as the best offensive player in the league.

Over that same time frame, Risacher is taking 5 3PA/g at 40.8%. And he's scoring about 14.2 ppg, or nearly double what we're seeing from Filipowski.

McCain is rocking 15.3 ppg on 46.0 / 38.3 / 87.5 splits. There's Stephon Castle, as well.

It's nice to see KF shooting well, but like, Quinten Post is a comparable 3pt shooter on similar volume, so there's only so much to see here. At least at this time.

prime1time · Post #418 » by **prime1time** » Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:06 am

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Sarr is hooping and he's just scratching the surface. Funny how all the Sarr haters have disappeared. Who would have guess that an athletic, skilled, good shooting 7 footer would be hard to stop lmao. It also shows that summer league and NBA ball are two completely different things.

prime1time · Post #419 » by **prime1time** » Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:12 am

HotelVitale wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
prime1time wrote:I have to disagree with this. I don't think stats paint the entire picture. There regular season Jimmy and then there's playoff Jimmy. Playoff Jimmy is a dominant #1 option that takes over the teams offense.
Playoff Jimmy is a different animal. Very similar to regular season Manu and playoff Manu. There's a real chance that Castle might never come close to doing in the playoffs what Jimmy Butler has done. People might disagree but I have Jimmy B as a 1st ballot HOF.

Stats do paint the picture. Playoff Jimmy wasn't even a thing until he went to MIA and he was 30 years old. Outside of his MIA playoff stint, he was just an elite role player giving you 20-5-5 who can on occasion, take over games. He was never a consistent #1. That's the guy Castle can be. He is still only 20

Don't want to get lost in the semantics but really no one would characterize pre-MIA Butler as more 'role player' than 'consistent #1.' That's just not a reasonable way to phrase things.

He wasn't a mega-volume guy but he was the best initiator and top scorer on every pre-MIA team he was on since he made his little leap in his 4th season (besides his half year in Philly). He just didn't push himself to take all the shots he could in the RS, and would run hot and cold in his volume.

Unlee your argument is that Castle will also have the ability to be a top scorer but will only make use of that sometimes and usually in the PO, I don't think the comparison is very useful.

Butler led 16/17 Miami Heat team in scoring. What are projecting Castle as here? SGA? I guess it's fun to dream but any team that has Castle dominating their usage rate will be tanking. But if he goes on a historic growth curve anything could happen. But that could also be said for any other play in the draft lol.

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HotelVitale · Post #420 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu Mar 27, 2025 1:54 pm

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Sarr is hooping and he's just scratching the surface. Funny how all the Sarr haters have disappeared. Who would have guess that an athletic, skilled, good shooting 7 footer would be hard to stop lmao. It also shows that summer league and NBA ball are two completely different things.

That's cool and thanks for sharing, but don't rookie thread too hard. Sarr's having a nice run, just enjoy it and hope it keeps going. This is also the weird end of year stretch and he's playing on a super tank team, having a good week or two doesn't erase everything else or mean he's going to be a superstar.

Justin Edwards is averaging 20+ ppg on great efficiency and more steals than TOs over his last 7 games too. Philly fans are like 'huh this is pretty cool' but we've also seen dudes like Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan, etc have these stretches too. Last year Ricky Council put up like 15/10 on 60%+ TS over like 3 weeks, and he's straight up sucked this whole year.

Which 2 rookies are leading the ROY race?