Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[JRoy]

It’s worth it to keep going with Giannis until he requests otherwise

Exactly. He’s a top player. Lillard may bounce back quickly.

[pifhluk23]

To the why Zion talk, remember you have to take back a big salary. Better off taking someone like Zion who's still young, very good when he plays, and has upside if you can get him to work a bit harder. If he manages to stay healthy for a few years he obviously helps you not suck, but also could massively increase his trade value and you flip him before he gets hurt again. Compared to tons of other trades or ideas where you eat a guy like say Duncan Robinson, he's a miles better choice there

Why do you have to take back a big salary? 1st apron is projected at 196M, we're way under that this off-season even if Bobby and Pat opt in.

[pifhluk23]

I'm assuming all of this is in the case that he actually asks out this summer, right? Fine with discussing Giannis trades in that event, even if I think it's still unlikely. But if you're actually suggesting that we pro-actively trade him despite him relaying that he's still content here, then I honestly have to question your sanity, and if you think this franchise, this city, and an entire generation of young sports fans would ever recover from it (good luck with that). If you have a GM that thinks building an eventual contender is easier by trading a committed Giannis than it is building around him, then that dude is a **** idiot that should never be allowed in the building.

I think its a given that he's asking out, hopefully he'll do it behind the scenes and it doesn't get leaked. If he stays it's because Horst / FO somehow convince him they can compete still. I don't see it at all.

[Bernman]

I think its a given that he's asking out, hopefully he'll do it behind the scenes and it doesn't get leaked. If he stays it's because Horst / FO somehow convince him they can compete still. I don't see it at all.

Why would it be a given? Are you an ESPN pundit? He made part of the mess, hasn't given us a chance to reset, & said he wouldn't ask out.

[kanyon]

I feel like Zion is going to be out of the league pretty soon.

[rilamann]

It’s worth it to keep going with Giannis until he requests otherwise

I am not entertaining the idea of trading Giannis unless he demands out.

But if Giannis does demand out, that's going to be a really bad look for him.

Because a big reason why the Bucks are in this mess is because of him. Giannis is the one who wanted Bud out and then wanted Adrian Griffin to replace him. Giannis is the one who wanted Dame, which has been a disaster of a trade.

The perception was that Giannis & Dame were going to make big noise in the east.

The reality is Giannis & Dame can't even put together a single 50 win season in 2 attempts. It's not like the east has been stacked the past 2 seasons. Boston sleep walked to the Finals last season.

I think Giannis retires a Buck and I don't think he makes any demands to be traded. But that would be a really bad look if he was like Do this, or I will leave then the Bucks do what he says, but he leaves anyway because what he told them to do didn't work out.

[rilamann]

I wish Dame the best. Obviously, I have nothing against the guy as a human being.

As far as on the basketball court. Has there ever been a star player whose absence will literally have no impact. I am not going to say that I think the Bucks are better without Dame. But my expectations in these final 11 regular season games and playoffs have changed 0%.

Doc needs to go with Trent and KPJ in the starting lineup, then Bobby as the 6th man and hope Green can get his jumper back.

Bucks can be an intriguing team going into the playoffs. Of course Doc will blow it by starting and playing Prince and Rollins 30 minutes a night.

Prince is one of those guys where if he's coming off the bench and playing 15-20 minutes he's actually not a bad player. When he's starting and playing 30 minutes he's going to hurt you more times than not.

This roster still has a chance to maybe do some things. But we have no chance with Doc.

[JBucks]

What would we get for Giannis from Portland? They have some great, young players.

[ShootingtheJ]

Send Damec back to Portland

[Ron Swanson]

Let's not turn this into another Kareem thing (he demanded a trade specifically to LA after only 6-seasons here). Nobody owes anyone anything. Giannis gave more than a decade of his life and almost his entire basketball prime to this franchise and city. He can do whatever the **** he wants if/when he leaves and I will hold zero ill-will against him for it.

I'll never understand this completely speculative idea that he's been playing shadow GM. Dude just wants to win and then go spend time with his family. I seriously doubt he ever gave two **** about meddling in front office affairs and "picking" teammates and coaches outside of Horst/ownership approaching him for input (literally every team does this with their superstar these days). The "puppet master/he built this team" conspiracy theory is fun but I don't think we really need to invent an excuse to vent at him once this all comes crashing down.

[jakecronus8]

Forgive me if discussed already, but is there a chance this is career ending for Dame? He's made his money. It would free him up to pursue music and I just never got the sense that he has embraced Milwaukee as his home.

[pifhluk23]

I wish Dame the best. Obviously, I have nothing against the guy as a human being.

As far as on the basketball court. Has there ever been a star player whose absence will literally have no impact. I am not going to say that I think the Bucks are better without Dame. But my expectations in these final 11 regular season games and playoffs have changed 0%.

Doc needs to go with Trent and KPJ in the starting lineup, then Bobby as the 6th man and hope Green can get his jumper back.

Bucks can be an intriguing team going into the playoffs. Of course Doc will blow it by starting and playing Prince and Rollins 30 minutes a night.

Prince is one of those guys where if he's coming off the bench and playing 15-20 minutes he's actually not a bad player. When he's starting and playing 30 minutes he's going to hurt you more times than not.

This roster still has a chance to maybe do some things. But we have no chance with Doc.

I think it was Marques that brought up that Prince has been a much better shooter starting and GTJ has been a much better shooter coming off the bench.

[fansinceforever]

I'm assuming all of this is in the case that he actually asks out this summer, right? Fine with discussing Giannis trades in that event, even if I think it's still unlikely. But if you're actually suggesting that we pro-actively trade him despite him relaying that he's still content here, then I honestly have to question your sanity, and if you think this franchise, this city, and an entire generation of young sports fans would ever recover from it (good luck with that). If you have a GM that thinks building an eventual contender is easier by trading a committed Giannis than it is building around him, then that dude is a **** idiot that should never be allowed in the building.

I think its a given that he's asking out, hopefully he'll do it behind the scenes and it doesn't get leaked. If he stays it's because Horst / FO somehow convince him they can compete still. I don't see it at all.

Exactly. That's where I'm at. Unless his loyalty stretches far, far beyond his own best interests then he's gone.

This is over.

[JRoy]

Send Damec back to Portland

No thank you.

We will keep those MIL picks though.

[paulpressey25]

No thank you.

We will keep those MIL picks though.

You spent a year beforehand bitching over here about a possible Dame trade. In the end, I think you fleeced us on our picks (2028-2030 will be very valuable) but I think you sold Jrue ridiculously cheap, which weighs down the PDX return.

[Bernman]

I do think there's a segment of the base that wants the team to suck so they can wallow in it & say they were right to be pessimistic.

Anyway, the Flagg proposal piqued my interest. I might consider Flagg, Castle, & the Pels' picks back. To trade him now, not later, if at all, it's got to look something like that. We'd have a Flagg to plant after Giannis.

[JRoy]

No thank you.

We will keep those MIL picks though.

You spent a year beforehand bitching over here about a possible Dame trade. In the end, I think you fleeced us on our picks (2028-2030 will be very valuable) but I think you sold Jrue ridiculously cheap, which weighs down the PDX return.

That is fair.

I didn’t consider Jrue a valuable addition to POR going into a rebuild. BOS got him pretty cheaply for a couple injured guys.

Hopefully Lillard bounces back strong.

[raferfenix]

Pessimists win?

Or if the Bucks somehow are good without Dame….what does that say about Dame?

[Plossum]

I was once on the side of never trade Giannis unless he asks out. But I’m now minded to think it’s at least a conversation worth having.

Giannis is still amazing and will prob be so you hope for another 4 years or so at least. But this franchise has nearly exhausted every avenue we have to reshape a contending roster around Giannis after 2021.

We have almost no draft capital left, no cap space for meaningful FA signings (assuming you could even convince a big name FA to sign here) and no major trade chips outside Giannis (Dame would bring back decent value but nothing amazing imo).

So I think it’s fine to have a tricky conversation about the future of the team and how realistic we can be about finding a path back to genuine contending with the position we find ourselves in. It may be there isn’t a path and we need to start from scratch. Giannis brings back a haul that can accelerate that rebuild.

I’m not saying we should do it, but I think it’s an option that should be seriously considered.

The alternate is more seasons like this year which is **** dire if you ask me.

[DingleJerry]

To the why Zion talk, remember you have to take back a big salary. Better off taking someone like Zion who's still young, very good when he plays, and has upside if you can get him to work a bit harder. If he manages to stay healthy for a few years he obviously helps you not suck, but also could massively increase his trade value and you flip him before he gets hurt again. Compared to tons of other trades or ideas where you eat a guy like say Duncan Robinson, he's a miles better choice there

Why do you have to take back a big salary? 1st apron is projected at 196M, we're way under that this off-season even if Bobby and Pat opt in.

If you say so, and if you say NOP can just take in a 55 mil salary too.