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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#761 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:28 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:
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RiotPunch wrote:Two guys who are currently not signed passed this season. Rough. If KPJ shows out like we all hope right now, it's gonna be really difficult to retain him.


if we move dame then we'll have all sorts of ability to resign him


Idk if we can even move him now without attaching assets. Watch what KD goes for this Summer and Dame should go for slightly less, it's going to shock people how bad the packages are for 50M+ old guys.


hes basically expiring. virtually zero chance he plays the option...he'll want a longer deal.

we should be able to deal him for salary relief and smallish assets if nothing else

id encourage it btw
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Post#762 » by fansinceforever » Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:36 pm

This would be a great time to get an extended look at AJ Johnson...
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#763 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:52 pm

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No thank you.

We will keep those MIL picks though.


I don't want our picks back. They're bad picks as long as Giannis exists.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#764 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:06 am

raferfenix wrote:Pessimists win?

Or if the Bucks somehow are good without Dame….what does that say about Dame?


We’ll still find a way to take a game off the Knicks in the 1st round and Dame pessimists will say we would have gotten swept if he played. You know how this goes.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#765 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:12 am

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raferfenix wrote:Pessimists win?

Or if the Bucks somehow are good without Dame….what does that say about Dame?


We’ll still find a way to take a game off the Knicks in the 1st round and Dame pessimists will say we would have gotten swept if he played. You know how this goes.


Just curious, is there an amount of winning, from here on out, that would make you say " Maybe there is a Dame problem?"
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#766 » by raferfenix » Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:19 am

Kyle Kuzma #2 option < Kyle Kuzma defensive specialist.

Doc’s gotta do some coaching or we’re effed.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#767 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:48 am

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raferfenix wrote:Pessimists win?

Or if the Bucks somehow are good without Dame….what does that say about Dame?


We’ll still find a way to take a game off the Knicks in the 1st round and Dame pessimists will say we would have gotten swept if he played. You know how this goes.


Just curious, is there an amount of winning, from here on out, that would make you say " Maybe there is a Dame problem?"


If we win tonight and get to 4-1 on the season without both Dame and Giannis playing, do we have to admit that maybe we should just trade both guys and give Doc a lifetime contract?
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#768 » by pifhluk23 » Thu Mar 27, 2025 1:22 am

The Darkest Timeline

Your 2025/26 Milwaukee Bucks

KAT
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Prince
AJG
KPJ

HC Prunty

33 wins
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#769 » by ReginaldDwight » Thu Mar 27, 2025 1:30 am

dedned wrote:**** that. I ain't trading Giannis. You don't trade the best player in the world.

Insane to even entertain a deal giving up Giannis without getting atleast an all nba guy or something like flagg back.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#770 » by ReginaldDwight » Thu Mar 27, 2025 1:31 am

pifhluk23 wrote:The Darkest Timeline

Your 2025/26 Milwaukee Bucks

KAT
Kuzma
Prince
AJG
KPJ

HC Prunty

33 wins

Thats basically what you want if you're saying to deal Giannis for the Poopoo platter of weak assets.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#771 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Mar 27, 2025 2:16 am

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We’ll still find a way to take a game off the Knicks in the 1st round and Dame pessimists will say we would have gotten swept if he played. You know how this goes.


Just curious, is there an amount of winning, from here on out, that would make you say " Maybe there is a Dame problem?"


If we win tonight and get to 4-1 on the season without both Dame and Giannis playing, do we have to admit that maybe we should just trade both guys and give Doc a lifetime contract?



The Bucks have been awesome with Giannis on the floor, and bad with Dame on the floor, so any chance you'll actually answer the question seriously?
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#772 » by Jez2983 » Thu Mar 27, 2025 3:17 am

fansinceforever wrote:This would be a great time to get an extended look at AJ Johnson...


This is gonna be Tobias Part 2, isn't it.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#773 » by German Athens » Thu Mar 27, 2025 3:28 am

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fansinceforever wrote:This would be a great time to get an extended look at AJ Johnson...


This is gonna be Tobias Part 2, isn't it.


It’s worse.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#774 » by theFireBlanket » Thu Mar 27, 2025 4:11 am

German Athens wrote:
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fansinceforever wrote:This would be a great time to get an extended look at AJ Johnson...


This is gonna be Tobias Part 2, isn't it.


It’s worse.


At least we still lucked into Giannis & Dumars putting Khris in the BJ deal.

It's hopefully not a bookend, with GA heading somewhere else when he surveys the dysfunction that is this organization.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#775 » by RiotPunch » Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:06 am

Still unfathomable to use a newly drafted rookie, youngest in the class, as an enticement for another team to take on the albatross of one Khris Middleton. What on Earth did Horst see in Kuzma to forfeit the right to see that potential play through? You can figure out 25 minutes a game from Midds. Sims/KPJ would have been sufficient enough.

I think all of us would take a do-over. Horst should be delivering my mail tomorrow.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#776 » by soxperry » Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:26 am

RiotPunch wrote:Still unfathomable to use a newly drafted rookie, youngest in the class, as an enticement for another team to take on the albatross of one Khris Middleton. What on Earth did Horst see in Kuzma to forfeit the right to see that potential play through? You can figure out 25 minutes a game from Midds. Sims/KPJ would have been sufficient enough.

I think all of us would take a do-over. Horst should be delivering my mail tomorrow.


Its really not that crazy. Teams trade late firsts to shed salary, it happens. Us picking AJ was not seen as a great move, and not only because we are win now. Hes a long shot. Then, he didnt exactly pop in the g league, just showed flashes. The fact that we were able to salvage first round value with him is great. That the Wizards valued him was a blessing. They are the worst talent evaluators in the league, hands down.

Many here are currently being significantly influenced by him dunking in nba games while shooting 27% from 3 and i find that strange. We all knew he was an elite athlete. He needs to shoot and score efficiently and again that is a long shot. Our people were with him for months. With his athleticism, if they felt like he had a good chance at succeeding, he would be off the table. They obviously do not.

So we shed Khris's contract
We gain Kuzma's defense which should be very important
And we have flexibility to improve the team this off-season in ways that were previously impossible

For

A player that is unlikely to make it, despite some fun dunks
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Post#777 » by Profound23 » Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:38 am

If we trade Giannis I will have more apathy towards this team than when we traded away Ray Allen.

I don't even want to think about it. MAYBE if we had a Sam Presti type I would feel a little more comfortable with it. But I want to see Giannis retire a Buck, even when he is old and can't play anymore.

If we just stop trading our first round picks, keep Giannis and he still plays at this level for five more years then we don't end up with egg on our face by trading away a top pick. After that we can tank and rebuild if Giannis falls apart.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#778 » by pifhluk23 » Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:50 am

RiotPunch wrote:Still unfathomable to use a newly drafted rookie, youngest in the class, as an enticement for another team to take on the albatross of one Khris Middleton. What on Earth did Horst see in Kuzma to forfeit the right to see that potential play through? You can figure out 25 minutes a game from Midds. Sims/KPJ would have been sufficient enough.

I think all of us would take a do-over. Horst should be delivering my mail tomorrow.


Probably had more to do with the 2nd apron and no market for a suspension Bobby or Pat. I think Bobby royally screwed us, threw a wrench in a Butler trade or anyone else that allows us to keep Middleton and still get under 2nd apron. My question is if Bobby is on the Lakers how long is his suspension and does he even get one...Bogdonovic 2.0
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#779 » by Profound23 » Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:59 am

RiotPunch wrote:Still unfathomable to use a newly drafted rookie, youngest in the class, as an enticement for another team to take on the albatross of one Khris Middleton. What on Earth did Horst see in Kuzma to forfeit the right to see that potential play through? You can figure out 25 minutes a game from Midds. Sims/KPJ would have been sufficient enough.

I think all of us would take a do-over. Horst should be delivering my mail tomorrow.



I get that was important to get under the second apron. Most say now that Dame is (probably) out for the year it made more sense to keep Middleton. I disagree, with Dame being out it makes more sense to think about the offseason and get under the second apron.

But I have to believe there was a way to do it, even if it meant taking on a player worse than Kuzma, without giving up AJJ.
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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Dame with DVT, unknown if he'll return this season 

Post#780 » by SirChurros » Thu Mar 27, 2025 12:01 pm

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RiotPunch wrote:Still unfathomable to use a newly drafted rookie, youngest in the class, as an enticement for another team to take on the albatross of one Khris Middleton. What on Earth did Horst see in Kuzma to forfeit the right to see that potential play through? You can figure out 25 minutes a game from Midds. Sims/KPJ would have been sufficient enough.

I think all of us would take a do-over. Horst should be delivering my mail tomorrow.


Its really not that crazy. Teams trade late firsts to shed salary, it happens. Us picking AJ was not seen as a great move, and not only because we are win now. Hes a long shot. Then, he didnt exactly pop in the g league, just showed flashes. The fact that we were able to salvage first round value with him is great. That the Wizards valued him was a blessing. They are the worst talent evaluators in the league, hands down.

Many here are currently being significantly influenced by him dunking in nba games while shooting 27% from 3 and i find that strange. We all knew he was an elite athlete. He needs to shoot and score efficiently and again that is a long shot. Our people were with him for months. With his athleticism, if they felt like he had a good chance at succeeding, he would be off the table. They obviously do not.

So we shed Khris's contract
We gain Kuzma's defense which should be very important
And we have flexibility to improve the team this off-season in ways that were previously impossible

For

A player that is unlikely to make it, despite some fun dunks

It always amazes me how people get so sold and convinced by a single highlight. Like are we supposed to just ignore that he went 4-13 in what was essentially a G-League game?

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