Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[MasterGMer]

Bradley Beal to Orlando for Cole Anthony, WCJ, Gary Harris (Team Option), Caleb Houstan (TO), Jett Howard and KCP.

Beal has next season of $53 million and 2026-27 season player option $57 million.

Paolo with a legit shooting threat would do wonders for this team

Beal is a negative asset. Plus he can decide if he, himself, is going to approve the trade or not.

Just too much for him and he has peaked. He is not the old days Beal anymore.

I think it would be really interesting, instead, to monitor the situation in Milwaukee. Again, this season, they are not in Championship contention. I just wonder how many more years of Prime Giannis you are going to have, plus, how long his patient will run out

Just interesting. Anything could happen there

[drsd]

Bradley Beal to Orlando for Cole Anthony, WCJ, Gary Harris (Team Option), Caleb Houstan (TO), Jett Howard and KCP.

Beal has next season of $53 million and 2026-27 season player option $57 million.

Paolo with a legit shooting threat would do wonders for this team

I'd rather get Poole

I'd rather the Magic start Houstan.

[drsd]

It'll be interesting what San Antonio does with Vassell. They have Castle, Fox, Barnes, Sochan, and Wemby.

Cole and Carter for Vassell works. We'd have Goga and Moe at center. We'd need to find a 3rd center.

I love this trade for Devin Vassell. Of course the Magic need to shift Caldwell-Pope, but Vassell would be perfect on this roster, co-off-ball with Suggs.

[Skybox]

It'll be interesting what San Antonio does with Vassell. They have Castle, Fox, Barnes, Sochan, and Wemby.

Cole and Carter for Vassell works. We'd have Goga and Moe at center. We'd need to find a 3rd center.

I love this trade for Devin Vassell. Of course the Magic need to shift Caldwell-Pope, but Vassell would be perfect on this roster, co-off-ball with Suggs.

I love it too…but I don’t see SAS considering it…or even looking to move Vassell

[T-Cat]

Bradley Beal to Orlando for Cole Anthony, WCJ, Gary Harris (Team Option), Caleb Houstan (TO), Jett Howard and KCP.

Beal has next season of $53 million and 2026-27 season player option $57 million.

Paolo with a legit shooting threat would do wonders for this team

I'd rather get Poole

I've tried to rationalize a Beal move ...just can't...he's not even that good anymore. That deal is just insurmountable...on paper, he's a good fit - but he's just not that guy anymore-at any price.

Maybe they'll get enough draft equity back from a KD and/or Book deal to soften the blow for another team...but that'll be for a team like BRK or WAS. Even then, if PHX bottoms out, they might as well wait 2 more years and just let him expire instead of trading away their future - again.

*Not to mention the No Trade Clause

they can't aggregate either - unless they make a KD deal first to get under the 2nd Apron and they have ZERO frps under their control. IF they got under the 2nd apron...maybe they'd sacrifice a Ryan Dunn?

ORL sends: Isaac, WCJ, KCP
PHX sends: Beal, Dunn

Remember the bad Phoenix plays next season, that pick is conveyed to either us or the Wizards

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I forgot the Wiz were in on that pic. Does anyone know the particulars on that?

[eyriq]

I forgot the Wiz were in on that pic. Does anyone know the particulars on that?

1. Wiz has a swap option with Suns if they keep their pick (top 8 protected).
2. Magic has a swap option with the Suns.

Watch for:
1. The Wiz to convey their pick to the Knicks
2. The Magic to have a worse pick than the Suns

[Idiosyncratic]

I forgot the Wiz were in on that pic. Does anyone know the particulars on that?

Wizards can swap their pick for the Suns pick if the Suns pick is better than theirs.

We get the next best out of those two.

Basically we need to hope the Suns trade KD for a rebuilding type package instead of a retooling one to have a shot at a crazy valuable pick. Otherwise it may just be a small upgrade.

[pepe1991]

I forgot the Wiz were in on that pic. Does anyone know the particulars on that?

Wizards can swap their pick for the Suns pick if the Suns pick is better than theirs.

We get the next best out of those two.

Basically we need to hope the Suns trade KD for a rebuilding type package instead of a retooling one to have a shot at a crazy valuable pick. Otherwise it may just be a small upgrade.

But that simply won't happen because they have Booker and Beal even if Durant is gone. Booker at 29 won't go through rebuild and Suns can't rebuild until they have at least some control over picks.

Most realistic scenario is scenario where Durant is flipped for combination of proven star-ish player and young promising player, like i don't know, Wiggins and Ware or Adebayo, Ware + filler OR Adams, Smith, Brooks, Sheppard for Durant.

[Skybox]

So, My understanding is that we will have a non-taxpayer MLE of 12.8m available this summer. Not a huge deal and not something to just add on top of the bad contracts we have. I expect at least one of the bigger pay scale, less-critical guys (KCP, WCJ, Isaac, Cole) will be moved in a trade for a significant backcourt upgrade...with that in mind, we could sign a UFA for up to that MLE amount if we want...or, I think, some combo of lower salary role players. Not looking for, necessarily, huge needle-movers but solid, relatively inexpensive guys that fit the spots that were overpaid or didn't really fit. These guys could also, theoretically, be in a SnT, but, for simplicity, I'm only listing guys that MIGHT agree to a deal for MLE or less..Here are some attractive FA's that might be signed for various amounts up to the full MLE that I would consider...obviously, the hypothetical "big trade" will inform our other roster moves, but...I put asterisks next to the ones that really make sense or just make me ponder the potential impact vs cost...availability/price of some will obviously be determined by their team's other moves - for example, BRK has some good TO/RFA guys (Day'Ron Sharpe, Keon Johnson) that SHOULD be re-upped, but they may need every FA dollar if they are chasing big game.

*Ty Jerome
Luke Kornet
Dennis Schroder
*Chris Paul
Malik Beasley (I expect DET to pay the man)
Tyus Jones (I expect PHX to pay him his promised make-good)
D'Angelo Russell
*Steven Adams
Jake Laravia
Clint Capela (big pay cut - is he ready to accept that?)
*Russell Westbrook
*Quentin Grimes (RFA but PHI is a big mystery for now)
Amir Coffey
NAW (someone will likely pay him more than we should)
Bruce Brown (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Malcolm Brogdon (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Tim Hardaway Jr (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Luke Kennard (ready for a salary "correction"?)
*Bobby Portis (PO, ready to bail out of MIL for a multi-year deal?)
*Moe Wagner...could we decline his $11m and offer less for multi-year?
*Joe Ingles...love him back for vet min 12th man
Tre Jones...not as good as Tyus but still good
Trey Lyles ...versatile rotation big, could be a bargain?
Gary Harris...I'd rather see a new face, but could decline his $7.5m and re-up for something like $3m for multiple years?
Kevon Looney...don't see him leaving GSW, but smart, sound big man with rings to share
*Davion Mitchell...RFA, but who knows what MIA is pulling this summer, love this kid...younger, intense defender for CoJo's spot?
*Tre Mann...RFA, but unclear what CHA wants or needs
Cory Joseph...ORL has TO of $3.5m, could do a lot worse for 3rd PG (I hope no higher than 3rd )
Doug McDermott, AJ Green or Seth Curry...very limited, but he can shoot it, making very little now
*Spencer Dinwiddie...big PG, making very little...I've always liked him more than most
*Mason Plumlee...tough, versatile backup C, historically an excellent passer, making pennies in PHX this year
Gary Trent Jr...making pennies in MIL and putting up big 3pt shooting numbers, repped by Klutch and should be seeking a payday they missed last time
*Paul Reed...making pennies in PHI, super solid rotation big, maybe gets a raise, but is still a bargain
Bones Hyland, Emoni Bates...young electric guys that are basically out of the league...intriguing cheap bets that could pay

[Idiosyncratic]

I forgot the Wiz were in on that pic. Does anyone know the particulars on that?

Wizards can swap their pick for the Suns pick if the Suns pick is better than theirs.

We get the next best out of those two.

Basically we need to hope the Suns trade KD for a rebuilding type package instead of a retooling one to have a shot at a crazy valuable pick. Otherwise it may just be a small upgrade.

But that simply won't happen because they have Booker and Beal even if Durant is gone. Booker at 29 won't go through rebuild and Suns can't rebuild until they have at least some control over picks.

Most realistic scenario is scenario where Durant is flipped for combination of proven star-ish player and young promising player, like i don't know, Wiggins and Ware or Adebayo, Ware + filler OR Adams, Smith, Brooks, Sheppard for Durant.

Likely not, but if KD asks out and the best package they get is picks and a young player+filler they still could consider it. Booker sounds like he wants to be there for the long haul. At some point they have to try and acquire core players whether they have their picks or not. Gotta start digging out.

Booker and Wiggins/Jabari Smith can definitely lottery in the west. Beal sucks.

Before I get nitpicked on Beal; KD and Book are 32-11 when they play without Beal. He has a -11.9 on/off differential this year. He will also be a year older. Yes he is still skilled and yes he can still make some buckets, his impact the last two years is terrible and he is not young.

[Skybox]

I was surprised to see that Kevon Looney is only 29...I find it hard to imagine him leaving GSW, but his minutes are down to 15 and he's making $8m. He's just such a smart simple team player...we could even consider him a bargain for a starting C if we moved WCJ's $$$ out. Looney seems like one of those 'invisible' contributors that just knows how to play winning basketball. Might be just the kind of tough, mistake-free guy that would fit between Paolo & Franz and just do the dirty work and skip the press conferences happily.

[Idiosyncratic]

So, My understanding is that we will have a non-taxpayer MLE of 12.8m available this summer. Not a huge deal and not something to just add on top of the bad contracts we have. I expect at least one of the bigger pay scale, less-critical guys (KCP, WCJ, Isaac, Cole) will be moved in a trade for a significant backcourt upgrade...with that in mind, we could sign a UFA for up to that MLE amount if we want...or, I think, some combo of lower salary role players. Not looking for, necessarily, huge needle-movers but solid, relatively inexpensive guys that fit the spots that were overpaid or didn't really fit. These guys could also, theoretically, be in a SnT, but, for simplicity, I'm only listing guys that MIGHT agree to a deal for MLE or less..Here are some attractive FA's that might be signed for various amounts up to the full MLE that I would consider...obviously, the hypothetical "big trade" will inform our other roster moves, but...I put asterisks next to the ones that really make sense or just make me ponder the potential impact vs cost...availability/price of some will obviously be determined by their team's other moves - for example, BRK has some good TO/RFA guys (Day'Ron Sharpe, Keon Johnson) that SHOULD be re-upped, but they may need every FA dollar if they are chasing big game.

*Ty Jerome
Luke Kornet
Dennis Schroder
*Chris Paul
Malik Beasley (I expect DET to pay the man)
Tyus Jones (I expect PHX to pay him his promised make-good)
D'Angelo Russell
*Steven Adams
Jake Laravia
Clint Capela (big pay cut - is he ready to accept that?)
*Russell Westbrook
*Quentin Grimes (RFA but PHI is a big mystery for now)
Amir Coffey
NAW (someone will likely pay him more than we should)
Bruce Brown (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Malcolm Brogdon (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Tim Hardaway Jr (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Luke Kennard (ready for a salary "correction"?)
*Bobby Portis (PO, ready to bail out of MIL for a multi-year deal?)
*Moe Wagner...could we decline his $11m and offer less for multi-year?
*Joe Ingles...love him back for vet min 12th man
Tre Jones...not as good as Tyus but still good
Trey Lyles ...versatile rotation big, could be a bargain?
Gary Harris...I'd rather see a new face, but could decline his $7.5m and re-up for something like $3m for multiple years?
Kevon Looney...don't see him leaving GSW, but smart, sound big man with rings to share
*Davion Mitchell...RFA, but who knows what MIA is pulling this summer, love this kid...younger, intense defender for CoJo's spot?
*Tre Mann...RFA, but unclear what CHA wants or needs
Cory Joseph...ORL has TO of $3.5m, could do a lot worse for 3rd PG (I hope no higher than 3rd )
Doug McDermott, AJ Green or Seth Curry...very limited, but he can shoot it, making very little now
*Spencer Dinwiddie...big PG, making very little...I've always liked him more than most
*Mason Plumlee...tough, versatile backup C, historically an excellent passer, making pennies in PHX this year
Gary Trent Jr...making pennies in MIL and putting up big 3pt shooting numbers, repped by Klutch and should be seeking a payday they missed last time
*Paul Reed...making pennies in PHI, super solid rotation big, maybe gets a raise, but is still a bargain
Bones Hyland, Emoni Bates...young electric guys that are basically out of the league...intriguing cheap bets that could pay

Will be interesting to see if ownership would go into the tax for guys like this, I hope so, but who knows. I'm guessing they won't give out a full MLE contract, but look at the cheaper options after bringing Mo back.

De'anthony Melton would be my top guy after we trade for a PG. Coming off ACL injury, but he's just good. Was in the process of adding volume 3s and fits the defensive identity as a bonus.

Tre Jones I would take as backup PG all day.

Those would be my top targets personally. I like Gary Trent as a bargain, especially if Mosley could get him to try on defense.

[Idiosyncratic]

I forgot the Wiz were in on that pic. Does anyone know the particulars on that?

Wizards can swap their pick for the Suns pick if the Suns pick is better than theirs.

We get the next best out of those two.

Basically we need to hope the Suns trade KD for a rebuilding type package instead of a retooling one to have a shot at a crazy valuable pick. Otherwise it may just be a small upgrade.

But that simply won't happen because they have Booker and Beal even if Durant is gone. Booker at 29 won't go through rebuild and Suns can't rebuild until they have at least some control over picks.

Most realistic scenario is scenario where Durant is flipped for combination of proven star-ish player and young promising player, like i don't know, Wiggins and Ware or Adebayo, Ware + filler OR Adams, Smith, Brooks, Sheppard for Durant.

To add, I'm fully expecting the Suns to triple (quadruple?) down and get Paul George or something and win 32-41 games next year pick 12-18... I'm just pointing out to the people that the pick is a chance... A chance to end better than ours. I get some people don't want anything to do with any more picks-- that is fine, but it still exists for now.

Let a man dream about the Wizards getting Dybantsa and us getting Darryn Peterson with the Suns #2 pick

[Skybox]

So, My understanding is that we will have a non-taxpayer MLE of 12.8m available this summer. Not a huge deal and not something to just add on top of the bad contracts we have. I expect at least one of the bigger pay scale, less-critical guys (KCP, WCJ, Isaac, Cole) will be moved in a trade for a significant backcourt upgrade...with that in mind, we could sign a UFA for up to that MLE amount if we want...or, I think, some combo of lower salary role players. Not looking for, necessarily, huge needle-movers but solid, relatively inexpensive guys that fit the spots that were overpaid or didn't really fit. These guys could also, theoretically, be in a SnT, but, for simplicity, I'm only listing guys that MIGHT agree to a deal for MLE or less..Here are some attractive FA's that might be signed for various amounts up to the full MLE that I would consider...obviously, the hypothetical "big trade" will inform our other roster moves, but...I put asterisks next to the ones that really make sense or just make me ponder the potential impact vs cost...availability/price of some will obviously be determined by their team's other moves - for example, BRK has some good TO/RFA guys (Day'Ron Sharpe, Keon Johnson) that SHOULD be re-upped, but they may need every FA dollar if they are chasing big game.

*Ty Jerome
Luke Kornet
Dennis Schroder
*Chris Paul
Malik Beasley (I expect DET to pay the man)
Tyus Jones (I expect PHX to pay him his promised make-good)
D'Angelo Russell
*Steven Adams
Jake Laravia
Clint Capela (big pay cut - is he ready to accept that?)
*Russell Westbrook
*Quentin Grimes (RFA but PHI is a big mystery for now)
Amir Coffey
NAW (someone will likely pay him more than we should)
Bruce Brown (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Malcolm Brogdon (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Tim Hardaway Jr (ready for a salary "correction"?)
Luke Kennard (ready for a salary "correction"?)
*Bobby Portis (PO, ready to bail out of MIL for a multi-year deal?)
*Moe Wagner...could we decline his $11m and offer less for multi-year?
*Joe Ingles...love him back for vet min 12th man
Tre Jones...not as good as Tyus but still good
Trey Lyles ...versatile rotation big, could be a bargain?
Gary Harris...I'd rather see a new face, but could decline his $7.5m and re-up for something like $3m for multiple years?
Kevon Looney...don't see him leaving GSW, but smart, sound big man with rings to share
*Davion Mitchell...RFA, but who knows what MIA is pulling this summer, love this kid...younger, intense defender for CoJo's spot?
*Tre Mann...RFA, but unclear what CHA wants or needs
Cory Joseph...ORL has TO of $3.5m, could do a lot worse for 3rd PG (I hope no higher than 3rd )
Doug McDermott, AJ Green or Seth Curry...very limited, but he can shoot it, making very little now
*Spencer Dinwiddie...big PG, making very little...I've always liked him more than most
*Mason Plumlee...tough, versatile backup C, historically an excellent passer, making pennies in PHX this year
Gary Trent Jr...making pennies in MIL and putting up big 3pt shooting numbers, repped by Klutch and should be seeking a payday they missed last time
*Paul Reed...making pennies in PHI, super solid rotation big, maybe gets a raise, but is still a bargain
Bones Hyland, Emoni Bates...young electric guys that are basically out of the league...intriguing cheap bets that could pay

Will be interesting to see if ownership would go into the tax for guys like this, I hope so, but who knows. I'm guessing they won't give out a full MLE contract, but look at the cheaper options after bringing Mo back.

De'anthony Melton would be my top guy after we trade for a PG. Coming off ACL injury, but he's just good. Was in the process of adding volume 3s and fits the defensive identity as a bonus.

Tre Jones I would take as backup PG all day.

Those would be my top targets personally. I like Gary Trent as a bargain, especially if Mosley could get him to try on defense.

In my dream scenario...we send out more guaranteed salary than we bring back in "THE BIG TRADE" even if it means some addtl. draft equity need be attached. Then we sign a couple of these types to fill out the roster...We could have a summer where we not only get better by swapping out for better-fitting pieces, but also improve our financial ledger at the same time. We've enjoyed the luxury of overpaying guys just to meet the salary threshold for a few years...that era is OVER.

[eyriq]

I think the Suns are probably cooked. Lottery bound next season.

[Skybox]

#1
GSW sends: Kevon Looney (SnT $12m x 3yrs), Brandon Podzmieski, Trayce Jackson-Davis
ORL sends: Wendell Carter Jr, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp

#2
ORL sends: KCP, Goga, ORL 25 frp (#15), ORL 28 frp (top 5 protected), ORL swap rights for 26 frp (PHX, WAS, ORL -second best)
TOR sends: Immanuel Quickley, TOR 25 frp (#8)

ORL drafts Maluach from Duke with #8, takes swings with srps...(Proctor, Clayton, Coward...?)

Looney, Maluach, Moe
Paolo, TJD, Isaac
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Cole (expiring)
Quickley, Podzmieski, CoJo

[Ducklett]

Wizards can swap their pick for the Suns pick if the Suns pick is better than theirs.

We get the next best out of those two.

Basically we need to hope the Suns trade KD for a rebuilding type package instead of a retooling one to have a shot at a crazy valuable pick. Otherwise it may just be a small upgrade.

But that simply won't happen because they have Booker and Beal even if Durant is gone. Booker at 29 won't go through rebuild and Suns can't rebuild until they have at least some control over picks.

Most realistic scenario is scenario where Durant is flipped for combination of proven star-ish player and young promising player, like i don't know, Wiggins and Ware or Adebayo, Ware + filler OR Adams, Smith, Brooks, Sheppard for Durant.

To add, I'm fully expecting the Suns to triple (quadruple?) down and get Paul George or something and win 32-41 games next year pick 12-18... I'm just pointing out to the people that the pick is a chance... A chance to end better than ours. I get some people don't want anything to do with any more picks-- that is fine, but it still exists for now.

Let a man dream about the Wizards getting Dybantsa and us getting Darryn Peterson with the Suns #2 pick

I think KD is gone this summer. He had that huge fight recently with the coach and most of the players seemingly took coach's side. KD doesn't exactly have a history of staying in bad situations and digging himself out. They are 10th in the west with this squad that only gets worse after this year and no assets or cap to make any moves.

[pepe1991]

But that simply won't happen because they have Booker and Beal even if Durant is gone. Booker at 29 won't go through rebuild and Suns can't rebuild until they have at least some control over picks.

Most realistic scenario is scenario where Durant is flipped for combination of proven star-ish player and young promising player, like i don't know, Wiggins and Ware or Adebayo, Ware + filler OR Adams, Smith, Brooks, Sheppard for Durant.

To add, I'm fully expecting the Suns to triple (quadruple?) down and get Paul George or something and win 32-41 games next year pick 12-18... I'm just pointing out to the people that the pick is a chance... A chance to end better than ours. I get some people don't want anything to do with any more picks-- that is fine, but it still exists for now.

Let a man dream about the Wizards getting Dybantsa and us getting Darryn Peterson with the Suns #2 pick

I think KD is gone this summer. He had that huge fight recently with the coach and most of the players seemingly took coach's side. KD doesn't exactly have a history of staying in bad situations and digging himself out. They are 10th in the west with this squad that only gets worse after this year and no assets or cap to make any moves.

Any Durant trade goes back to Suns in $55M in player's value, picks don't cost in salary cap.

Teams who don't have picks usually don't suck that much, even most crappy teams, when they try to win games, win 30 games.

They are 10th on the West. With same record we have. Current "pick swap" would be, assuming we make playoffs and they don't - from 15th pick to 13#.

Hawks are great example of a team that isn't that good but has no pick, and by default, will have "okey " season because they simply won't tank. They are 35-37. They would even be better if they didn't do idiotic Hunter & Bogdan trades. Yet, still, because they don't flat out tank, they don't stink.

Just friendly reminder, they almost got Jimmy Butler, 2 first round picks and Kuminga -month ago for Durant. And that trade would go down if Durant didn't block it himself. That's how much value Durant still has.

My best bet is : Randle ,Dinivicenzo, McDaniels and pick for Durant.

[Skybox]

"Pacers want to keep Myles Turner while avoiding Luxury Tax"...also BOS, MIN specifically are facing SERIOUS financial complications if they don't offload some salary...how can we help?

Love a crack at Nembhard or, to a lesser extent, Mathurin or Nesmith
or...Divincenzo, NAW, Dillingham
or...Pritchard, Scheiermann, Hauser

some not at all realistic, but ...worth a call