PG: Clippers vs. Knicks: Let the Bodies Hit the Floor

[3toheadmelo]

the whole point was to take those assets and get another guy who could lead this team to wins on his own. we still don't have that guy.

if brunson was out for a year, could we do better than the play-in ? doesn't seem like it. not sure we'd even make that since we don't play defense.

We are definitely a lottery team without Brunson. KAT ‘s awful defense outweighs any positive he brings on offense and Mikal is a mid role player at best. And then we have one of the worst benches in the league

One of the worst benches? I think it’s easily the worst

Stop the cap. Kolekina is the best pg in the league and is being held back by the god awful monster Thibs.

[cgmw]

Way too much complaining for a game with a depleted team playing on the second night of a back-to-back that lost another player in the first half.

Mitch is still working back. Kolek has barely played up to this point. KAT and OG played really well, Mikal wasn't bad, and the frontcourt had spacing issues any time KAT sat (that's one part of the roster I hope Rose addresses in the offseason).

It's the three-point defense that worries me. It doesn't hold up unless everyone is sharp, and staying sharp on tired legs isn't easy. We've seen the 3-point D collapse in fourth quarters because of this, and it fades even faster on the second night of a back-to-back...or during a long road trip, or when the rotation switches and has to establish chemistry again. For someone who designed an offense to generate corner threes, Thibs' scheme feels like it dares opponents to make corner kickouts.

Look, I get it. You’re not wrong, however… I don’t watch the second half of back-to-backs any more because I know we won’t win. In and of itself that’s depressing for a number of reasons but primarily it sucks because of how it forebodes a lousy playoff performance where we compete with less rest and more intensity.

I admire and respect Thibs like crazy, but the cold hard truth is he has taken this roster as far as he can. His style is awful for back-to-backs just as it is absolutely terrible for playoff runs. He’s not the guy for a team with this much top-end talent.

[snadler]

Way too much complaining for a game with a depleted team playing on the second night of a back-to-back that lost another player in the first half.

Mitch is still working back. Kolek has barely played up to this point. KAT and OG played really well, Mikal wasn't bad, and the frontcourt had spacing issues any time KAT sat (that's one part of the roster I hope Rose addresses in the offseason).

It's the three-point defense that worries me. It doesn't hold up unless everyone is sharp, and staying sharp on tired legs isn't easy. We've seen the 3-point D collapse in fourth quarters because of this, and it fades even faster on the second night of a back-to-back...or during a long road trip, or when the rotation switches and has to establish chemistry again. For someone who designed an offense to generate corner threes, Thibs' scheme feels like it dares opponents to make corner kickouts.

Look, I get it. You’re not wrong, however… I don’t watch the second half of back-to-backs any more because I know we won’t win. In and of itself that’s depressing for a number of reasons but primarily it sucks because of how it forebodes lousy a playoff performance where we with less rest and more intensity.

I admire and respect Thibs like crazy, but the cold hard truth is he has taken this roster as far as he can. His style is awful for back-to-backs just as it is absolutely terrible for playoff runs. He’s not the guy for a team with this much top-end talent.

I will ask this again, you really see a different coach with the same lack of depth has this team taking into account injuries with a better record than 45-27? We can debate this all day, i clearly do not think this. People wanting a new coach are overvaluing the talent and certainly ignoring the tremendous lack of depth

[Adelheid]

Way too much complaining for a game with a depleted team playing on the second night of a back-to-back that lost another player in the first half.

Mitch is still working back. Kolek has barely played up to this point. KAT and OG played really well, Mikal wasn't bad, and the frontcourt had spacing issues any time KAT sat (that's one part of the roster I hope Rose addresses in the offseason).

It's the three-point defense that worries me. It doesn't hold up unless everyone is sharp, and staying sharp on tired legs isn't easy. We've seen the 3-point D collapse in fourth quarters because of this, and it fades even faster on the second night of a back-to-back...or during a long road trip, or when the rotation switches and has to establish chemistry again. For someone who designed an offense to generate corner threes, Thibs' scheme feels like it dares opponents to make corner kickouts.

Look, I get it. You’re not wrong, however… I don’t watch the second half of back-to-backs any more because I know we won’t win. In and of itself that’s depressing for a number of reasons but primarily it sucks because of how it forebodes lousy a playoff performance where we with less rest and more intensity.

I admire and respect Thibs like crazy, but the cold hard truth is he has taken this roster as far as he can. His style is awful for back-to-backs just as it is absolutely terrible for playoff runs. He’s not the guy for a team with this much top-end talent.

correction perhaps?...top-heavy-talented; which begs the need to rebalance and stagger the rotation to great effect

[Jalen Bluntson]

lmao exactly my thoughts, suddenly the bench played together... this is why I absolutely can't understand why everyone around the L continues to worship him as "one of the greatest bball minds ever", like it's taboo or something to say he is stupid (to be plain, he is), as if their loved ones are held at gunpoint and they'd die if Thibs is spoken ill of

Has no basic understanding of fatigue, value of bench, no in game adjustments, ****/ drop coverage defense in 3pt era, boring/ predictable offense, same substitution patterns

All that knowledge he doesn't put it into practice

It just doesn't add up. He flat out refuses to play the bench or go deeper than 8 players most nights. A 9 man rotation consists of one player getting a random 6-9 minutes. He shortens the rotation when we have an injury. Then we have multiple injuries and he floods the court with bench players who haven't really played much together or at all this season.

Kolek getting benched for Delon? Really? Way to go Thibs. Kid is getting some burn and you pull the plug on him? Was Kolek the problem last night? I didn't see that at all. It didn't make any sense. Why go with Wright? He hasn't played point guard in years and hasn't played at all for us. This is how you give him minutes? What's the logic? It's like he's spiteful. You want me to play the bench more? Blah! Here's what I'm gonna do. Happy now?

I don't think Thibs is currently keeping us from winning a title. I just think he's not going to help us get one unless we get three more starters to come off the bench. They all have. be injury proof two way studs like every other bench in the league has except for us. Am I right?

I keep seeing this post and I’m curious who exactly you want Thibs playing more? Their bench is horrible, if you think thibs is purposely keeping players who can help and be productive out of spite, thats ridiculous. I love those fans that assume know more than not just thibs but all the assistants. These coaches see what these “bench” guys are doing in practice and I can guarantee you they know more than any of us.

I did not say anything you just suggested. I did not say anything that didn't actually happen. You tell me how Kolek/Shamet/Hart/Precious/Mitch makes any sense. I'm open to suggestions. Tell me how playing the 4 weakest offensive players you have together with a 4th string rookie makes sense. I don't see it. Who is being put in the best possible position to succeed with that lineup? Then you bench the rookie who was coming along nicely the last 3 games for a player who hasn't seen a minute of action that mattered for us...ever. Maybe I missed where Kolek was the problem and not the rotation he used to blow a 14 point lead.

There's not having a strong bench. Then there's not doing what is best for the team/players to succeed. I think the latter is the bigger problem from the evidence I have seen. Can't defend without Mitch. Can't score or win efficiently without Brunson. Doesn't use the bench until multiple injuries happen. One trick pony show.

I don't even think this is a championship roster that he's holding back but, we can't even beat good teams with any consistency fully healthy. That's been a Thibs issue his entire career too though. Smoke leads to fire usually.

[8516knicks]

Hart very ineffective. 3 PT shooting once again an issue. That run in the 3rd had a couple of blown coverages from Hart.

Hart, interestingly, lead the Knicks in plus/minus tonight.

Hmmm. Hart 34 minutes PLUS 7
That means the other 14 minutes KNICKS were MINUS 22.

Mitch 13 minutes MINUS 22.

Elementary!

[snadler]

It just doesn't add up. He flat out refuses to play the bench or go deeper than 8 players most nights. A 9 man rotation consists of one player getting a random 6-9 minutes. He shortens the rotation when we have an injury. Then we have multiple injuries and he floods the court with bench players who haven't really played much together or at all this season.

Kolek getting benched for Delon? Really? Way to go Thibs. Kid is getting some burn and you pull the plug on him? Was Kolek the problem last night? I didn't see that at all. It didn't make any sense. Why go with Wright? He hasn't played point guard in years and hasn't played at all for us. This is how you give him minutes? What's the logic? It's like he's spiteful. You want me to play the bench more? Blah! Here's what I'm gonna do. Happy now?

I don't think Thibs is currently keeping us from winning a title. I just think he's not going to help us get one unless we get three more starters to come off the bench. They all have. be injury proof two way studs like every other bench in the league has except for us. Am I right?

I keep seeing this post and I’m curious who exactly you want Thibs playing more? Their bench is horrible, if you think thibs is purposely keeping players who can help and be productive out of spite, thats ridiculous. I love those fans that assume know more than not just thibs but all the assistants. These coaches see what these “bench” guys are doing in practice and I can guarantee you they know more than any of us.

I did not say anything you just suggested. I did not say anything that didn't actually happen. You tell me how Kolek/Shamet/Hart/Precious/Mitch makes any sense. I'm open to suggestions. Tell me how playing the 4 weakest offensive players you have together with a 4th string rookie makes sense. I don't see it. Who is being put in the best possible position to succeed with that lineup? Then you bench the rookie who was coming along nicely the last 3 games for a player who hasn't seen a minute of action that mattered for us...ever. Maybe I missed where Kolek was the problem and not the rotation he used to blow a 14 point lead.

There's not having a strong bench. Then there's not doing what is best for the team/players to succeed. I think the latter is the bigger problem from the evidence I have seen. Can't defend without Mitch. Can't score or win efficiently without Brunson. Doesn't use the bench until multiple injuries happen. One trick pony show.

I don't even think this is a championship roster that he's holding back but, we can't even beat good teams with any consistency fully healthy. That's been a Thibs issue his entire career too though. Smoke leads to fire usually.

Sweeping denver and memphis? Beating minny by 30, winning the season series over indy. First there is no sugarcoating how bad they have looked vs cavs and c’s, but to say they can’t beat good teams, is an exaggeration. This team is exactly where they should be, people who think this is some 60 win team is living in a dream world. The losses and how they have lost to boston and Cleveland leave a bitter taste no doubt, but regular season losses really mean nothing once the playoffs begin, records go 0-0. I want to see a fully healthy team if possible with the extended rest in a playoff series, and take the intensity up another level and see if they can.

[Wildcat]

I'm still floored that it was basically a 30 point turnaround.

[Luv those Knicks]

Hart very ineffective. 3 PT shooting once again an issue. That run in the 3rd had a couple of blown coverages from Hart.

Hart, interestingly, lead the Knicks in plus/minus tonight.

Hmmm. Hart 34 minutes PLUS 7
That means the other 14 minutes KNICKS were MINUS 22.

Mitch 13 minutes MINUS 22.

Elementary!

I fully understand that +/- is a meaningless stat, but I still find myself looking at it every box score.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I keep seeing this post and I’m curious who exactly you want Thibs playing more? Their bench is horrible, if you think thibs is purposely keeping players who can help and be productive out of spite, thats ridiculous. I love those fans that assume know more than not just thibs but all the assistants. These coaches see what these “bench” guys are doing in practice and I can guarantee you they know more than any of us.

I did not say anything you just suggested. I did not say anything that didn't actually happen. You tell me how Kolek/Shamet/Hart/Precious/Mitch makes any sense. I'm open to suggestions. Tell me how playing the 4 weakest offensive players you have together with a 4th string rookie makes sense. I don't see it. Who is being put in the best possible position to succeed with that lineup? Then you bench the rookie who was coming along nicely the last 3 games for a player who hasn't seen a minute of action that mattered for us...ever. Maybe I missed where Kolek was the problem and not the rotation he used to blow a 14 point lead.

There's not having a strong bench. Then there's not doing what is best for the team/players to succeed. I think the latter is the bigger problem from the evidence I have seen. Can't defend without Mitch. Can't score or win efficiently without Brunson. Doesn't use the bench until multiple injuries happen. One trick pony show.

I don't even think this is a championship roster that he's holding back but, we can't even beat good teams with any consistency fully healthy. That's been a Thibs issue his entire career too though. Smoke leads to fire usually.

Sweeping denver and memphis? Beating minny by 30, winning the season series over indy. First there is no sugarcoating how bad they have looked vs cavs and c’s, but to say they can’t beat good teams, is an exaggeration. This team is exactly where they should be, people who think this is some 60 win team is living in a dream world. The losses and how they have lost to boston and Cleveland leave a bitter taste no doubt, but regular season losses really mean nothing once the playoffs begin, records go 0-0. I want to see a fully healthy team if possible with the extended rest in a playoff series, and take the intensity up another level and see if they can.

We're 11-18 vs teams over .500. Again. Stop twisting my words. I never said we can't beat good teams. Then you go off with hyperbole about what you claim people think. Try dealing with what people actually say.

Regular season losses really mean nothing once the playoffs begin? What kind of nonsense is this? Are we gonna suddenly start beating the top teams simply because the playoffs began?

People are ok losing some regular season games. Especially if we are trying to work the bench in with the rotations to see what we can do if injuries should happen. No, we lose regular season games burning out and often injuring our starters and not using our bench at all. Then when we lose multiple starters we throw the entire bench in the floor at once while losing. Great coaching. All the good teams are doing this.

You want to see a fully healthy team with extended rest in a playoff series? Your lips to the basketball gods ears.

Kolek/Shamet/Hart/Precious/Mitch.

[Jay10]

felt like we overhelped so much on post ups and minor drives and left them open for 3s over and over.

staples of the thibs defense.

once the 3's started to rain it was over.

I think we doubled Zubac in the post and he wasn't even in the paint...like WTF r we doin?

Treating him like he's Jokic.

[mpharris36]

felt like we overhelped so much on post ups and minor drives and left them open for 3s over and over.

staples of the thibs defense.

once the 3's started to rain it was over.

I think we doubled Zubac in the post and he wasn't even in the paint...like WTF r we doin?

Treating him like he's Jokic.

I remember Clyde saying what are they doubling Zubac for 15 feet away from the basket...I chuckled

[Gravy]

All the distractions and scapegoating Thibs for every problem ain't working. This roster is obviously far below in talent to the to the top 3 teams to anyone without an agenda.

Kolek was supposed to save them and gets benched for a guy I forgot was on the team. We were supposed to win with more Shamet and precious minutes, wrong again.

[knicks94]

All the distractions and scapegoating Thibs for every problem ain't working. This roster is obviously far below in talent to the to the top 3 teams to anyone without an agenda.

Kolek was supposed to save them and gets benched for a guy I forgot was on the team. We were supposed to win with more Shamet and precious minutes, wrong again.

I do not blame Thibs for every problem, but I do not believe that no person can do a better job than him.

[Jalen Bluntson]

All the distractions and scapegoating Thibs for every problem ain't working. This roster is obviously far below in talent to the to the top 3 teams to anyone without an agenda.

Kolek was supposed to save them and gets benched for a guy I forgot was on the team. We were supposed to win with more Shamet and precious minutes, wrong again.

No one said any of this. Glad you won the argument you were having with yourself. Must feel good.

[spree2kawhi]

These Clippers will be a darkhorse contender if they can get 41 minutes of Kawhi Leonard in the playoffs. Imagine being Paul George these days.

[knicks94]

These Clippers will be a darkhorse contender if they can get 41 minutes of Kawhi Leonard in the playoffs. Imagine being Paul George these days.

Been hearing this every season about the Clippers since their CP3 days. I will have to see it to believe it.

[3toheadmelo]

All the distractions and scapegoating Thibs for every problem ain't working. This roster is obviously far below in talent to the to the top 3 teams to anyone without an agenda.

Kolek was supposed to save them and gets benched for a guy I forgot was on the team. We were supposed to win with more Shamet and precious minutes, wrong again.

They’re wrong every time this isn’t a serious place to talk hoops anymore.

[Iron Mantis]

Thibslobbers are a special kind of "special".

In their imagination, "Play the bench" or "Kolek needs minutes to develop" means "the bench is the Dream Team" and Kolek is "prime Jordan".

Wherever you find low IQ posts, a Thibs slobber is sure to be close by.

[Gravy]

All the distractions and scapegoating Thibs for every problem ain't working. This roster is obviously far below in talent to the to the top 3 teams to anyone without an agenda.

Kolek was supposed to save them and gets benched for a guy I forgot was on the team. We were supposed to win with more Shamet and precious minutes, wrong again.

I do not blame Thibs for every problem, but I do not believe that no person can do a better job than him.

When healthy this is the 4th best team in the NBA, that's as good as you can do with this roster. Thinking Shamet, Precious and kolek are championship players, KAT has solid defense, Hart is a good shooter etc is delusional