2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt. 3)

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Sarr is hooping and he's just scratching the surface. Funny how all the Sarr haters have disappeared. Who would have guess that an athletic, skilled, good shooting 7 footer would be hard to stop lmao. It also shows that summer league and NBA ball are two completely different things.

That's cool and thanks for sharing, but don't rookie thread too hard. Sarr's having a nice run, just enjoy it and hope it keeps going. This is also the weird end of year stretch and he's playing on a super tank team, having a good week or two doesn't erase everything else or mean he's going to be a superstar.

Justin Edwards is averaging 20+ ppg on great efficiency and more steals than TOs over his last 7 games too. Philly fans are like 'huh this is pretty cool' but we've also seen dudes like Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan, etc have these stretches too. Last year Ricky Council put up like 15/10 on 60%+ TS over like 3 weeks, and he's straight up sucked this whole year.

Usually I would agree with but this is the same board that was calling Sarr a bust before he played an NBA game.
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Will Wizards regret not picking Sheppard? My bet would be yes. Should they be concerned that he practices with Pool, I think not, what else he suppose to do, at least these guys are working. This is such a weird year, I feel there is no hype for first two overall picks at all, whatsoever. And its not because they are international, here in Europe, does not feel like anyone cares for RIsasher or Sarr either. We will see how it goes, I just hope my boy Jonas plays well and is traded at the deadline, can't believe hes a Wizard, but he once dressed as WIzard in LKL all star game, so it was foreshadowed.

His summer league performance was alarming. Showed no competitiveness, shied away from contact, kept shooting threes even though he can't shoot.

Honestly after the SL, all top pick projections should just go away from this guy. He is more of a late 1st round talent in my eyes, total project who might be an NBA player in 3-4 years.

If a guy looks good in SL, it doesn't mean anything. If a guy looks terrible and outmatched in SL, it's very alarming. My rule of thumb when it comes to SL and it works pretty well

I never understood Sarr as a prospect the entire time. I don’t get what he does well enough to ever become star or even really valuable role player.

- has no feel for the game/bball iq
- iffy jumper
-slight frame

Just never got it. Feels like people were just really happy he was 7 foot and from France like Wemby


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His summer league performance was alarming. Showed no competitiveness, shied away from contact, kept shooting threes even though he can't shoot.

7 Foot bigmen who insist not to be centers, is always a huge red flag to me. It always almost indicates softness and bad shot selection that will come with it. Look at Chet, that guy is like 200 pounds but is tough as nails, he had no problem starting center day one and now looks like generational bigman. Guy got pounded by some match ups, but figured, I will just space and pace these guys on the other end, worked like charm in Pelicans series. Got to love guy like Chet, not Bargnani wanabees.

[UcanUwill]

[tweet]190507
Sarr is hooping and he's just scratching the surface. Funny how all the Sarr haters have disappeared. Who would have guess that an athletic, skilled, good shooting 7 footer would be hard to stop lmao. It also shows that summer league and NBA ball are two completely different things.

That's cool and thanks for sharing, but don't rookie thread too hard. Sarr's having a nice run, just enjoy it and hope it keeps going. This is also the weird end of year stretch and he's playing on a super tank team, having a good week or two doesn't erase everything else or mean he's going to be a superstar.

Justin Edwards is averaging 20+ ppg on great efficiency and more steals than TOs over his last 7 games too. Philly fans are like 'huh this is pretty cool' but we've also seen dudes like Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan, etc have these stretches too. Last year Ricky Council put up like 15/10 on 60%+ TS over like 3 weeks, and he's straight up sucked this whole year.

Usually I would agree with but this is the same board that was calling Sarr a bust before he played an NBA game.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2403940

Will Wizards regret not picking Sheppard? My bet would be yes. Should they be concerned that he practices with Pool, I think not, what else he suppose to do, at least these guys are working. This is such a weird year, I feel there is no hype for first two overall picks at all, whatsoever. And its not because they are international, here in Europe, does not feel like anyone cares for RIsasher or Sarr either. We will see how it goes, I just hope my boy Jonas plays well and is traded at the deadline, can't believe hes a Wizard, but he once dressed as WIzard in LKL all star game, so it was foreshadowed.

His summer league performance was alarming. Showed no competitiveness, shied away from contact, kept shooting threes even though he can't shoot.

Honestly after the SL, all top pick projections should just go away from this guy. He is more of a late 1st round talent in my eyes, total project who might be an NBA player in 3-4 years.

If a guy looks good in SL, it doesn't mean anything. If a guy looks terrible and outmatched in SL, it's very alarming. My rule of thumb when it comes to SL and it works pretty well

I never understood Sarr as a prospect the entire time. I don’t get what he does well enough to ever become star or even really valuable role player.

- has no feel for the game/bball iq
- iffy jumper
-slight frame

Just never got it. Feels like people were just really happy he was 7 foot and from France like Wemby


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His summer league performance was alarming. Showed no competitiveness, shied away from contact, kept shooting threes even though he can't shoot.

7 Foot bigmen who insist not to be centers, is always a huge red flag to me. It always almost indicates softness and bad shot selection that will come with it. Look at Chet, that guy is like 200 pounds but is tough as nails, he had no problem starting center day one and now looks like generational bigman. Guy got pounded by some match ups, but figured, I will just space and pace these guys on the other end, worked like charm in Pelicans series. Got to love guy like Chet, not Bargnani wanabees.

guilty... Sorry about that. Honestly, I probably still pick Sheppard, I have faith, but Sarr has looked way better than I tought he would look, at least in rcent months. I still not a fan of athletic 7 footers who just jack 3s, but Sarr has been playing well. Or at least his box scores are great, I can't recall if I have seen a recent Wizards game.

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One of the hallmarks of rookie progress is how the goal posts keep on moving. That more than any other thing is an indicator of progress. The conversation around Sarr has gone from him being a bust to him not being a superstar. No more bust talk lol. Sarr might never be a superstar it's true. But it's also true that he looks like a competent NBA player and a force on the offensive end in his rookie year. Which way more than even the most positive scouting reports had slated for Sarr and lightyears ahead of what people were thinking after his abysmal summer league performances. People were drawing entire conclusions about his career before he played an NBA game. Btw, from March 5th to March 26th (3 weeks not 2) Sarr is shooting 38.4% from 3 on 6.1 3 point attempts a game, averaging 18.1 ppg, 7.3 rbs and 2.6 ast. The last 3 weeks he's been the best rookie in the league and he's just scratching the surface of his potential.

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That's cool and thanks for sharing, but don't rookie thread too hard. Sarr's having a nice run, just enjoy it and hope it keeps going. This is also the weird end of year stretch and he's playing on a super tank team, having a good week or two doesn't erase everything else or mean he's going to be a superstar.

Justin Edwards is averaging 20+ ppg on great efficiency and more steals than TOs over his last 7 games too. Philly fans are like 'huh this is pretty cool' but we've also seen dudes like Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan, etc have these stretches too. Last year Ricky Council put up like 15/10 on 60%+ TS over like 3 weeks, and he's straight up sucked this whole year.

Usually I would agree with but this is the same board that was calling Sarr a bust before he played an NBA game.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2403940

Will Wizards regret not picking Sheppard? My bet would be yes. Should they be concerned that he practices with Pool, I think not, what else he suppose to do, at least these guys are working. This is such a weird year, I feel there is no hype for first two overall picks at all, whatsoever. And its not because they are international, here in Europe, does not feel like anyone cares for RIsasher or Sarr either. We will see how it goes, I just hope my boy Jonas plays well and is traded at the deadline, can't believe hes a Wizard, but he once dressed as WIzard in LKL all star game, so it was foreshadowed.

His summer league performance was alarming. Showed no competitiveness, shied away from contact, kept shooting threes even though he can't shoot.

Honestly after the SL, all top pick projections should just go away from this guy. He is more of a late 1st round talent in my eyes, total project who might be an NBA player in 3-4 years.

If a guy looks good in SL, it doesn't mean anything. If a guy looks terrible and outmatched in SL, it's very alarming. My rule of thumb when it comes to SL and it works pretty well

I never understood Sarr as a prospect the entire time. I don’t get what he does well enough to ever become star or even really valuable role player.

- has no feel for the game/bball iq
- iffy jumper
-slight frame

Just never got it. Feels like people were just really happy he was 7 foot and from France like Wemby


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7 Foot bigmen who insist not to be centers, is always a huge red flag to me. It always almost indicates softness and bad shot selection that will come with it. Look at Chet, that guy is like 200 pounds but is tough as nails, he had no problem starting center day one and now looks like generational bigman. Guy got pounded by some match ups, but figured, I will just space and pace these guys on the other end, worked like charm in Pelicans series. Got to love guy like Chet, not Bargnani wanabees.

guilty... Sorry about that. Honestly, I probably still pick Sheppard, I have faith, but Sarr has looked way better than I tought he would look, at least in rcent months. I still not a fan of athletic 7 footers who just jack 3s, but Sarr has been playing well. Or at least his box scores are great, I can't recall if I have seen a recent Wizards game.

I like Sheppard's game but it's impossible to get a feel in the NBA because the Rockets give him no playing time. Hopefully they'll trade him.

[UcanUwill]

Usually I would agree with but this is the same board that was calling Sarr a bust before he played an NBA game.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2403940

guilty... Sorry about that. Honestly, I probably still pick Sheppard, I have faith, but Sarr has looked way better than I tought he would look, at least in rcent months. I still not a fan of athletic 7 footers who just jack 3s, but Sarr has been playing well. Or at least his box scores are great, I can't recall if I have seen a recent Wizards game.

I like Sheppard's game but it's impossible to get a feel in the NBA because the Rockets give him no playing time. Hopefully they'll trade him.

He is still very young, I aint worrying, some of the best players took their time, reminds me a bit of Dragic situation. Dragic for years had these flashes of excellence, but it took him years. Granted it was on another team than the one who drafted him, so maybe Sheppard could use a trade. But even if not, I think with patience he could be huge part of upcoming Houston Rockets.

[HotelVitale]

One of the hallmarks of rookie progress is how the goal posts keep on moving. That more than any other thing is an indicator of progress. The conversation around Sarr has gone from him being a bust to him not being a superstar. No more bust talk lol. Sarr might never be a superstar it's true. But it's also true that he looks like a competent NBA player and a force on the offensive end in his rookie year. Which way more than even the most positive scouting reports had slated for Sarr and lightyears ahead of what people were thinking after his abysmal summer league performances. People were drawing entire conclusions about his career before he played an NBA game. Btw, from March 5th to March 26th (3 weeks not 2) Sarr is shooting 38.4% from 3 on 6.1 3 point attempts a game, averaging 18.1 ppg, 7.3 rbs and 2.6 ast. The last 3 weeks he's been the best rookie in the league and he's just scratching the surface of his potential.

I don’t wanna get into knocking rookies, but it seems like you’re doing exactly what I was just talking about. Making a judgment that Sarr’s already a good NBA player based on a 3 week sample that came late in the season, while also declaring that the rest of the season doesn’t really matter and we should all take those 3 weeks as the starting pt of his real career.

All I’m saying is that these little runs happen all the time in March and April, they can occasionally be great harbingers and show a guys really figured things out for good but way more often they’re just a guy who’s getting endless chances on a bad team having a good run. They’re not meaningless of course but they’re not that meaningful as predictors of how good a player will be down the line.

The example is just gave is that Justin Edwards is averaging 20+ ppg on better efficiency than Sarr over the past couple weeks—are you convinced that the conversation about him now is ‘we know he’s a force on the offensive end, will he be a superstar?’ To me it feels more like ‘huh this little run shows he’s got a shot to be a legitrotation guy.’ (And I’m definitely not out there telling the world ‘Justin Edwards is already a guaranteed 20ppg scorer in the NBA.’)

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Please excuse my sudden Baylor Scheierman excitement but he's White Chocolate now lol

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One of the hallmarks of rookie progress is how the goal posts keep on moving. That more than any other thing is an indicator of progress. The conversation around Sarr has gone from him being a bust to him not being a superstar. No more bust talk lol. Sarr might never be a superstar it's true. But it's also true that he looks like a competent NBA player and a force on the offensive end in his rookie year. Which way more than even the most positive scouting reports had slated for Sarr and lightyears ahead of what people were thinking after his abysmal summer league performances. People were drawing entire conclusions about his career before he played an NBA game. Btw, from March 5th to March 26th (3 weeks not 2) Sarr is shooting 38.4% from 3 on 6.1 3 point attempts a game, averaging 18.1 ppg, 7.3 rbs and 2.6 ast. The last 3 weeks he's been the best rookie in the league and he's just scratching the surface of his potential.

I don’t wanna get into knocking rookies, but it seems like you’re doing exactly what I was just talking about. Making a judgment that Sarr’s already a good NBA player based on a 3 week sample that came late in the season, while also declaring that the rest of the season doesn’t really matter and we should all take those 3 weeks as the starting pt of his real career.

All I’m saying is that these little runs happen all the time in March and April, they can occasionally be great harbingers and show a guys really figured things out for good but way more often they’re just a guy who’s getting endless chances on a bad team having a good run. They’re not meaningless of course but they’re not that meaningful as predictors of how good a player will be down the line.

The example is just gave is that Justin Edwards is averaging 20+ ppg on better efficiency than Sarr over the past couple weeks—are you convinced that the conversation about him now is ‘we know he’s a force on the offensive end, will he be a superstar?’ To me it feels more like ‘huh this little run shows he’s got a shot to be a legitrotation guy.’ (And I’m definitely not out there telling the world ‘Justin Edwards is already a guaranteed 20ppg scorer in the NBA.’)

Notice that you didn't say that Sarr will be a bust. I stand by my point.

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Please excuse my sudden Baylor Scheierman excitement but he's White Chocolate now lol

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All I'm saying is that players make nice plays all the time in March and April. Just because he made one nice play doesn't mean he'll be Jason Williams.

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AJ Johnson made a similar play at 24 seconds but that doesn't mean that I know believe he'll be Rajon Rondo. Players make nice plays all the time and they never get to that level. All we can say for certain is that Baylor Scheierman made a nice play and we'll see from here. Some people might think that the Rookie Discussion thread is a thread where people get excited about the future potential of new additions to their favorite team but in actuallity it's a place of sober discussion where all excitement should be tempered by a heavy dose of realism. Only then can we really ascertain objectively the future potential that these players may or may not have.

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I don’t wanna get into knocking rookies, but it seems like you’re doing exactly what I was just talking about. Making a judgment that Sarr’s already a good NBA player based on a 3 week sample that came late in the season, while also declaring that the rest of the season doesn’t really matter and we should all take those 3 weeks as the starting pt of his real career.

All I’m saying is that these little runs happen all the time in March and April, they can occasionally be great harbingers and show a guys really figured things out for good but way more often they’re just a guy who’s getting endless chances on a bad team having a good run. They’re not meaningless of course but they’re not that meaningful as predictors of how good a player will be down the line.

The example is just gave is that Justin Edwards is averaging 20+ ppg on better efficiency than Sarr over the past couple weeks—are you convinced that the conversation about him now is ‘we know he’s a force on the offensive end, will he be a superstar?’ To me it feels more like ‘huh this little run shows he’s got a shot to be a legitrotation guy.’ (And I’m definitely not out there telling the world ‘Justin Edwards is already a guaranteed 20ppg scorer in the NBA.’)

Notice that you didn't say that Sarr will be a bust. I stand by my point.

Not a real point since 1) I never call rookies 'busts' early in the year, 2) it's not worth your time arguing with people that do say stuff like that, and 3) none of the people you quoted even said that. A couple people saying they don't love a prospect or aren't really feeling him isn't really worth starting a crusade against IMO. Happens every year with everyone, and even Sarr's supporters had some skepticism about him. (Plus this realgm, there are a ton of random thoughts and random posters mixed in with the good ones).

I'll stop telling you how to support your rookie now, not really my business. Just think you should be feeling good about his recent run and hoping your best case projections come true, and keeping humility/perspective in case (as often with rookies) they don't.

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