Return to Sender: The Mark Williams Thread

[Bassman]

It would be nuts to trade Mark this offseason short of a premium offer. Even then, what do we do for a center if he’s not included in the premium trade?

Hornets are notorious for not properly addressing the center position and the backup point guard. Still lacking that reserve PG, but when we MIGHT actually have a 5 who is young and MIGHT still become an impact player, why trade?

Next year will prove if he has fully recovered, and rising in his skills/impact. I feared Williams had chronic damage. He may still have some lingering nags, but nobody gets back to this level of play if the wheels are permanently warped.

Mark is back…and we need to keep him.

[KirkHinrich12]

Definitely need to keep him. Averted disaster on that trade.

[Goodecharlotte]

A healthy Mark and it's a no brainer you keep him, how many Centers have we had averaging 15pts and 10 rebounds a game lately. But it's a big if, if he stays fit.

[Braggins]

I love the progress hes shown as a passer. I remember early on he would show some glimpses of vision and good passing decision making but his execution was very sloppy like it hadn't been something he had an opportunity to develop previously.

I was 100% against the trade the second it got leaked and I'm still 100% adamant they should keep him and feature him in their long term plans. If Lee doesn't like him because he insists on forcing the Celtics system on this ill-fitting roster then I'd fire Lee before Id consider trading Mark.

[JDR720]

Mark is a good enough FT shooter that he may be able to make catch & shoot threes too. He clearly has good touch.

[Diop]

Mark is a good enough FT shooter that he may be able to make catch & shoot threes too. He clearly has good touch.

Clifford said after his 1st season that he could see Mark becoming a 3 point shooter. he must hit some in training

[Walt Cronkite]

It has been nice to see Mark playing with more passion. Makes too much sense to me that he knew he was being shopped and it was imperative that he was healthy at the deadline.

[Snidely FC]

Mark Williams is the only NBA player this month averaging at least 14 PTS, 10 REB and 1.5 BLK.

[JDR720]

Wondering if Mark being involved in the photoshoot for the new practice facility is a hint on if they plan on trading him... again. He was up there with Melo/Miller and Miles.

[KembaWalker]

Wondering if Mark being involved in the photoshoot for the new practice facility is a hint on if they plan on trading him... again. He was up there with Melo/Miller and Miles.

I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t if they got an offer even somewhat close to the Lakers offer. It’s not like he’s some untradeable talent level

[JDR720]

Wondering if Mark being involved in the photoshoot for the new practice facility is a hint on if they plan on trading him... again. He was up there with Melo/Miller and Miles.

I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t if they got an offer even somewhat close to the Lakers offer. It’s not like he’s some untradeable talent level

The Lakers offer wasn't all that good. A late first and Knecht (a lower potential old rookie). Mark if he's healthy is clearly the best asset in that trade.

[Braggins]

The whole trade saga was so weird. I think the Hornets were crazy to do accept the trade in the first place and I think the Lakers were crazy to rescind it. I think the Lakers would probably be winning a championship this season with Mark. I wonder what Marks fg% would be playing with Luka.

[Diop]

It also surprised me that Luka pointed out Williams as a trade target. Seemed random

[KembaWalker]

Wondering if Mark being involved in the photoshoot for the new practice facility is a hint on if they plan on trading him... again. He was up there with Melo/Miller and Miles.

I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t if they got an offer even somewhat close to the Lakers offer. It’s not like he’s some untradeable talent level

The Lakers offer wasn't all that good. A late first and Knecht (a lower potential old rookie). Mark if he's healthy is clearly the best asset in that trade.

I cant imagine how anyone who thinks this can feel confident about our FO going forward then, cause they really wanted that trade done and it wasnt a small trade, it was a legit major insight into how they feel about this build and their timelines. If they change course now based on the actions of another team, what does that say about their plans?

[JMAC3]

Wondering if Mark being involved in the photoshoot for the new practice facility is a hint on if they plan on trading him... again. He was up there with Melo/Miller and Miles.

I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t if they got an offer even somewhat close to the Lakers offer. It’s not like he’s some untradeable talent level

The Lakers offer wasn't all that good. A late first and Knecht (a lower potential old rookie). Mark if he's healthy is clearly the best asset in that trade.

Their offer was about as good as you are going to get for a NBA starter.
Getting a rookie, future first and a swap is about the best you are going to get. That is over 2 firsts in value. People were balking at trading 2 firsts for Kessler.

That is more than Avdija, Porzingis, Kyrie were traded for. Not many teams are offering 2 firsts for any player unless they are an all-star level player.

Now you can make the argument that it still made no sense for Hornets considering Mark is a key piece and we are already lacking talent but nobody is ever giving up 3 firsts in value for a player unless they are star, which Mark is not.

[HornetJail]

I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t if they got an offer even somewhat close to the Lakers offer. It’s not like he’s some untradeable talent level

The Lakers offer wasn't all that good. A late first and Knecht (a lower potential old rookie). Mark if he's healthy is clearly the best asset in that trade.

Their offer was about as good as you are going to get for a NBA starter.
Getting a rookie, future first and a swap is about the best you are going to get. That is over 2 firsts in value. People were balking at trading 2 firsts for Kessler.

That is more than Avdija, Porzingis, Kyrie were traded for. Not many teams are offering 2 firsts for any player unless they are an all-star level player.

Now you can make the argument that it still made no sense for Hornets considering Mark is a key piece and we are already lacking talent but nobody is ever giving up 3 firsts in value for a player unless they are star, which Mark is not.

Sure then don't trade him.

The Hornets have been trying to find a center worth building with for nearly 30 years, with the exception of one-hit wonder Al Jefferson. We have spent countless years trying to find and develop a big man capable of contributing on both ends and we found him. Trading away that for generic shooter #3000 and a pick and a swap when our young franchise players are going to be almost 30 years old, with no realistic game plan for acquiring a center half as good, is the reddest of red flags against Jeff Peterson

[JMAC3]

The Lakers offer wasn't all that good. A late first and Knecht (a lower potential old rookie). Mark if he's healthy is clearly the best asset in that trade.

Their offer was about as good as you are going to get for a NBA starter.
Getting a rookie, future first and a swap is about the best you are going to get. That is over 2 firsts in value. People were balking at trading 2 firsts for Kessler.

That is more than Avdija, Porzingis, Kyrie were traded for. Not many teams are offering 2 firsts for any player unless they are an all-star level player.

Now you can make the argument that it still made no sense for Hornets considering Mark is a key piece and we are already lacking talent but nobody is ever giving up 3 firsts in value for a player unless they are star, which Mark is not.

Sure then don't trade him.

The Hornets have been trying to find a center worth building with for nearly 30 years, with the exception of one-hit wonder Al Jefferson. We have spent countless years trying to find and develop a big man capable of contributing on both ends and we found him. Trading away that for generic shooter #3000 and a pick and a swap when our young franchise players are going to be almost 30 years old, with no realistic game plan for acquiring a center half as good, is the reddest of red flags against Jeff Peterson

I am with you, I was not a fan of the trade. Pretty clearly documented when it was announced.
Just pointing out I don't think you can make the argument it wasn't a good offer when you consider what we received.

You can dislike a trade and still think the offer was fair. If the Hornets traded Brandon Miller for the 4th pick in this draft, that might be considered a fair value by most, but doesn't mean you have to like the offer. I think that is what makes trading young players on cheap contracts so hard, and why most the times these guys aren't moved unless for a superstar.

For example: Trading Mark for 2 firsts might not be a move we love, but it is probably fair value. However, if he was still valued as 2 firsts in a trade for an allstar we probably would like it. For instance if we traded Mark and 2 firsts for Bam, people would probably be ecstatic. Miami would have gotten 4 1sts of value for Bam and in theory everyone should be happy.

[JMAC3]

A good guy who the franchise is just dying to get off the roster.

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[GoBobs]

The problem is, if you don't trade him, you have to pay him pretty soon. As that payday gets closer, trade value goes way down.

You have to be either tough enough to guard people in the post or moble enough to guard people not in the post. Mark is neither.

Nurk is on the roster for 19 mil next year and we are to cheap not to try to get some value out of that deal before we trade him at the deadline. Moose seems to be a part of the plan after he just got a longer deal.

1000% chance Mark gets traded this summer.

[HornetJail]

pay the man