Jeremiah Fears reminds me of Kyrie & Dame Lillard

[greg4012]

Fears is listed like 12lbs lower than current Irving. Assuming he cant put on weight from this young age is wild.

Dude is already asserting physicality on his drives as an 18 year old with a baby face. His tape is littered with his subtle body checks to get much bigger players off their spots and get enough space for his moves. Imagine when he actually gains just the normal amount of strength that an 18 year old does in the next 3 years. He has a stout lower body frame IMO.

[Upperclass]

Hmm I don't see those comparisons at all.

Freshman pp36 stats for each:

Jeremiah Fears - 18 years old; 20.4 pts (TS% of 56%); 5 ast; 5 reb; 2.1 stocks; creates 73% of own offense + a 29% assist percentage; 9 dunks; 52% FTR; 44% of FGA at rim; 2.9 unassisted FGM at rim per 40 min

Tre Mann - 19 years old; 10 pts (TS% of 45%); 1.4 ast; 4 reb; 1.4 stocks; creates 65% of own offense + 7% assist percentage; 0 dunks (in whole college career); 18% FTR; 18% of FGA at rim; 1.0 unassisted FGM at rim per 40 min

Frank Jackson: 19 years old; 15.8 pts(TS% of 59.8%); 2.5 ast; 3.6 reb; 1.9 stocks; creates 54% of own offense + 12.6% assist percentage; 4 dunks; 36% FTR; 32% of FGA at rim; 2.0 unassisted FGM at rim per 40 min

Fears has shown monumentally more ability to create offense for self and others than either Mann or Jackson and is at a different level in terms of getting into the paint than either (with more defensive playmaking) at a younger age. He hasn't hit the pullup 3 ball well yet, but he also has the best FT% and long-2 FG% of the group. I'll take the bet that his 3 ball will come along with such a young prospect.

None of Kyrie, Dame, or Garland got into the paint at the rate that Fears did while in college. Kyrie and Garland had such small samples of college played that it's hard to put much weight on their numbers for comparisons at all tho.

Stats dont mean much in terms of skills translating to the next level imo. His style of play resemembles the players mentioned from what ive seen. He looks like an average, dribble drive guard that can be found throughout the G-League or on various Teams benches.

Stats reveal playstyle and inform assessment of skillsets. Fears plays nothing like Frank Jackson lol.

For instance--neither of the 2 players you mentioned created for others at even close the rate at which Fears did. Neither of the players you mentioned created their own offense at the rate that Fears did. Neither of the players you mentioned were able to generate paint touches at nearly the rate that Fears did. And this is all while being the age of a HS senior.

Since 2008, there have literally only been 13 freshmen in all of CBB at least 6'2 that have produced over 150 rim attempts and had an assist percentage of at least 28%. But, yeah...I'm sure Fears' skillset is readily available throughout the GLeague and on every team's bench.

It's ok to say/think whatever you want, but you might want to get informed before blindly doubling down.

Enjoy your college stats. However, doesnt change the fact that similar players in Dillingham, Kris Dunn, Cason Wallace, Elfrid Payton, Devin Carter etc etc etc. Cant get off the bench and or stick in the league. Fears style of play and skillset isnt an asset unfortunately though it is fun to watch. I also think his brother has a better chance to stick in the league as a better passer, defender and much quicker off the bounce despite not having the same raw stats.

[BlazersBroncos]

However, doesnt change the fact that similar players in Dillingham, Kris Dunn, Cason Wallace, Elfrid Payton, Devin Carter etc etc etc. Cant get off the bench and or stick in the league

Dilly is a rookie on a playoff team.
Devin is a rookie coming off a serious injury.
Cason is a 25+mpg sophomore on the best team in the league.

Why those 3 are grouped with Dunn and (especially) Elfrid makes your arguments even more head scratching.

[greg4012]

Stats dont mean much in terms of skills translating to the next level imo. His style of play resemembles the players mentioned from what ive seen. He looks like an average, dribble drive guard that can be found throughout the G-League or on various Teams benches.

Stats reveal playstyle and inform assessment of skillsets. Fears plays nothing like Frank Jackson lol.

For instance--neither of the 2 players you mentioned created for others at even close the rate at which Fears did. Neither of the players you mentioned created their own offense at the rate that Fears did. Neither of the players you mentioned were able to generate paint touches at nearly the rate that Fears did. And this is all while being the age of a HS senior.

Since 2008, there have literally only been 13 freshmen in all of CBB at least 6'2 that have produced over 150 rim attempts and had an assist percentage of at least 28%. But, yeah...I'm sure Fears' skillset is readily available throughout the GLeague and on every team's bench.

It's ok to say/think whatever you want, but you might want to get informed before blindly doubling down.

Enjoy your college stats. However, doesnt change the fact that similar players in Dillingham, Kris Dunn, Cason Wallace, Elfrid Payton, Devin Carter etc etc etc. Cant get off the bench and or stick in the league. Fears style of play and skillset isnt an asset unfortunately though it is fun to watch. I also think his brother has a better chance to stick in the league as a better passer, defender and much quicker off the bounce despite not having the same raw stats.

Solid equivocation. You know you named 2 rookies who are just beginning their careers, right?

Let's enjoy some college stats:

1) None of the players you mentioned were among the 13 freshman that have produced over 150 rim attempts and had an assist percentage of at least 28% (neither did Frank Jackson or Tre Mann!)

2) Devin Carter hit over 150 rim attempts for the first time as a JR. Still didn't achieve the 28% assist percentage.

3) Cason Wallace hit neither the 150 rim attempts nor the 28% assist % threshold

4) Dillingham didn't hit the rim attempts threshold but did hit the assist percentage. Of course, he also measured in at 6'1 with a 6;3 wingspan and weighed 164 pounds! If those are Jeremiah Fears' measurements, then that is reason for concern re NBA viability. Do you think those will be his measurements?

5) Elfrid Payton and Kris Dunn hit the thresholds as Sophomores and Juniors. Nice!

Let's ignore the lesser competition or age difference in achievement and look at shooting viability. Because I imagine you know well enough that it wasn't athleticism, playmaking, or slashing that limited the NBA roles and abilities of Dunn and Payton. It was shooting. Do you think prospects that can't break 70% over multiple college seasons from the FT line or 40% on pull-up jumpers are likely to develop a 3 ball or not? I'd say not. What about prospects that shoot 85% from the FT line and 46% on pull-up 2s?

Oh look at this: https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=15&minFT=0.85&minmidper=0.45&minpick=30&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501&pickSelect=-1

Every single 1st round draft pick to hit those shooting numbers since 2008 has gone on to be a prolific 3pt shooter in the NBA

Make it every drafted player instead of limiting it to FRPs and it still shows that every single one went on to become a functional or better 3pt shooter.

Trying to shoehorn every prospect into exclusively disappointing comparisons is fun tho, but at least put in some effort and show work.

[JMAC3]

I have Fears a lot closer to Dylan Harper in my ranks than most. I am far from finished in my evaluations of this class but I agree with most of what is being said here in terms of his long-term shooting appeal, his playmaking, free throw rate, pure speed and surprising vertical athleticism. He changes pace, plays with a lot of nuances to create space and sees the floor really well for any freshman, let alone a guy that should be a senior in high school.

Stat line wasn't crazy vs Uconn but you can just see it with this kid that he has all the tools to be very special in the NBA.

[vincecarter4pres]

I have Fears a lot closer to Dylan Harper in my ranks than most. I am far from finished in my evaluations of this class but I agree with most of what is being said here in terms of his long-term shooting appeal, his playmaking, free throw rate, pure speed and surprising vertical athleticism. He changes pace, plays with a lot of nuances to create space and sees the floor really well for any freshman, let alone a guy that should be a senior in high school.

Stat line wasn't crazy vs Uconn but you can just see it with this kid that he has all the tools to be very special in the NBA.

Can see a world where the Brooklyn Nets get lucky and jump to one, trade Cam Johnson to OKC if they windup with the Sixers pick, trade all their other picks and say the 8 to move up to like 4-6 and come away from the draft with Flagg and Fears.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Cam Johnson is not getting the OKC pick, what are you on.

[vincecarter4pres]

Cam Johnson is not getting the OKC pick, what are you on.

[JMAC3]

I have Fears a lot closer to Dylan Harper in my ranks than most. I am far from finished in my evaluations of this class but I agree with most of what is being said here in terms of his long-term shooting appeal, his playmaking, free throw rate, pure speed and surprising vertical athleticism. He changes pace, plays with a lot of nuances to create space and sees the floor really well for any freshman, let alone a guy that should be a senior in high school.

Stat line wasn't crazy vs Uconn but you can just see it with this kid that he has all the tools to be very special in the NBA.

Can see a world where the Brooklyn Nets get lucky and jump to one, trade Cam Johnson to OKC if they windup with the Sixers pick, trade all their other picks and say the 8 to move up to like 4-6 and come away from the draft with Flagg and Fears.

Lol mkay

[vincecarter4pres]

I have Fears a lot closer to Dylan Harper in my ranks than most. I am far from finished in my evaluations of this class but I agree with most of what is being said here in terms of his long-term shooting appeal, his playmaking, free throw rate, pure speed and surprising vertical athleticism. He changes pace, plays with a lot of nuances to create space and sees the floor really well for any freshman, let alone a guy that should be a senior in high school.

Stat line wasn't crazy vs Uconn but you can just see it with this kid that he has all the tools to be very special in the NBA.

Can see a world where the Brooklyn Nets get lucky and jump to one, trade Cam Johnson to OKC if they windup with the Sixers pick, trade all their other picks and say the 8 to move up to like 4-6 and come away from the draft with Flagg and Fears.

Lol mkay

Yeah, definitely not possible for Cam J to garner the 8th overall pick. And definitely no way something like 8, 19, 22, 25 gets you to 4-6.

[JMAC3]

Can see a world where the Brooklyn Nets get lucky and jump to one, trade Cam Johnson to OKC if they windup with the Sixers pick, trade all their other picks and say the 8 to move up to like 4-6 and come away from the draft with Flagg and Fears.

Lol mkay

Yeah, definitely not possible for Cam J to garner the 8th overall pick. And definitely no way something like 8, 19, 22, 25 gets you to 4-6.

Yeah glad we are on the same page. Nobody is giving up the 8th overall pick in a good draft for Cam Johnson. Or caring about getting about getting 19, 22 and 25 lol. The Nets are one of the few teams who desperately need picks to add talent to the roster that would value all those late firsts.

Brooklyn, does have 20% chance to land the 8th overall pick though.

[vincecarter4pres]

Lol mkay

Yeah, definitely not possible for Cam J to garner the 8th overall pick. And definitely no way something like 8, 19, 22, 25 gets you to 4-6.

Yeah glad we are on the same page. Nobody is giving up the 8th overall pick in a good draft for Cam Johnson. Or caring about getting about getting 19, 22 and 25 lol. The Nets are one of the few teams who desperately need picks to add talent to the roster that would value all those late firsts.

Brooklyn, does have 20% chance to land the 8th overall pick though.

Not sure why you sound so butthurt and personally attacked at the insane idea of Cam Johnson being worth the 8th overall pick?

[Chuck Everett]

Yeah, definitely not possible for Cam J to garner the 8th overall pick. And definitely no way something like 8, 19, 22, 25 gets you to 4-6.

Yeah glad we are on the same page. Nobody is giving up the 8th overall pick in a good draft for Cam Johnson. Or caring about getting about getting 19, 22 and 25 lol. The Nets are one of the few teams who desperately need picks to add talent to the roster that would value all those late firsts.

Brooklyn, does have 20% chance to land the 8th overall pick though.

Not sure why you sound so butthurt and personally attacked at the insane idea of Cam Johnson being worth the 8th overall pick?

It probably has more to do with Presti trading a cost controlled lotto pick for Cam Johnson of all players. Seems highly unlikely.