OT : Eurobasket 2025

[RookieStar]

Group A: Serbia (Joker, Bogdan, Jovic, Micic), Latvia (KP), Czech Republic, Turkey, Estonia, Portugal
Group B: Germany (Franz, Mo, Schoeder), Lithuania (Sabonis, JV), Montenegro, Finland (Lauri), Great Britain, Sweden
Group C: Spain (Santi, Willy, Juancho), Greece (Giannis), Italy (Donte?, Gallo?), Cyprus, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bojan, Nukic, Musa), Georgia (Sandro)
Group D: France (Wemby, Sarr, Risarcher, Yabusele), Slovenia (Doncic), Poland, Israel (Deni) , Belgium, Iceland

Wemby will most likely not be playing, Coulibaly and Gobert should be part of the squad though.

Yeah, Lessort most likely also out. I wonder which NBA team could have most participants? Without looking at rosters, I think Magic will have some in Wagner, Da Silva, Bitadze. Thats at least 3.

Are you sure that's our TDS playing or his older brother who is also Da Silva?

[RookieStar]

Group A: Serbia (Joker, Bogdan, Jovic, Micic), Latvia (KP, Žagars), Czech Republic (Jan Veselý, Tomáš Satoranský), Turkey (Sengun), Estonia, Portugal (Queta)

Group B: Germany (Franz, Mo, Schoeder, Da Silva), Lithuania (Buzelis, Sabonis?, JV), Montenegro (Vuc, Dubljević?), Finland (Lauri), Great Britain, Sweden

Group C: Spain (Santi, Willy, Juancho, Brown(?), Greece (Giannis,Sloukas), Italy (Fontecchio, Donte?, Gallo?), Cyprus, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Nukic, Musa), Georgia (Sandro, Goga, Shengelia)

Group D: France (Wemby?, Gobert, Sarr, Risarcher, Yabusele, Bilal, Diabate, Ekobo, Frank?, Fall, Poirier), Slovenia (Doncic), Poland (Sochan), Israel (Deni), Belgium, Iceland

Yeah... regarding Germany... Moe has an ACL, don't even think he will be ready for training camp. Also Da Silva? Sure its Tristan and not his brother Oscar playing?

[Nuntius]

Group A: Serbia (Joker, Bogdan, Jovic, Micic), Latvia (KP, Žagars), Czech Republic (Jan Veselý, Tomáš Satoranský), Turkey (Sengun), Estonia, Portugal (Queta)

Group B: Germany (Franz, Mo, Schoeder, Da Silva), Lithuania (Buzelis, Sabonis?, JV), Montenegro (Vuc, Dubljević?), Finland (Lauri), Great Britain, Sweden

Group C: Spain (Santi, Willy, Juancho, Brown(?), Greece (Giannis,Sloukas), Italy (Fontecchio, Donte?, Gallo?), Cyprus, Bosnia and Herzegovina (Nukic, Musa), Georgia (Sandro, Goga, Shengelia)

Group D: France (Wemby?, Gobert, Sarr, Risarcher, Yabusele, Bilal, Diabate, Ekobo, Frank?, Fall, Poirier), Slovenia (Doncic), Poland (Sochan), Israel (Deni), Belgium, Iceland

Yeah... regarding Germany... Moe has an ACL, don't even think he will be ready for training camp. Also Da Silva? Sure its Tristan and not his brother Oscar playing?

Afaik, Tristan da Silva can still choose whether he wants to represent Germany or Brazil. So, it's probably his brother.

[UcanUwill]

Wemby will most likely not be playing, Coulibaly and Gobert should be part of the squad though.

Yeah, Lessort most likely also out. I wonder which NBA team could have most participants? Without looking at rosters, I think Magic will have some in Wagner, Da Silva, Bitadze. Thats at least 3.

Are you sure that's our TDS playing or his older brother who is also Da Silva?

I imagine Tristan should make his German NT debut this year, so I meant him. I expect both Da Silvas to be there, I dont see him choosing Brazil like the other guy said, but i dont know nothing.

[Sgt Major]

I think this is a great chance for us to finally win a gold medal after 23 years and 2002 World Basket.

[UcanUwill]

I think this is a great chance for us to finally win a gold medal after 23 years and 2002 World Basket.

Serbia is definitely a top 3 favorite, fact they haven't won gold since Yugoslavia split is pretty shocking, but 2005 was huge fiasco and after that you had completely new generation, I still remember your world cup run where average age of your players was like 22, that was crazy. Spain took control and dominated these past 15 years, but this has to be the end for them for good, right?

Do you know if Jokic playing, he is the guy who does not play in every FIBA tournament, so a lot will depend on his decision. If he does not play, you probably aren't beating France or Germany.

[Sgt Major]

I think this is a great chance for us to finally win a gold medal after 23 years and 2002 World Basket.

Serbia is definitely a top 3 favorite, fact they haven't won gold since Yugoslavia split is pretty shocking, but 2005 was huge fiasco and after that you had completely new generation, I still remember your world cup run where average age of your players was like 22, that was crazy. Spain took control and dominated these past 15 years, but this has to be the end for them for good, right?

Do you know if Jokic playing, he is the guy who does not play in every FIBA tournament, so a lot will depend on his decision. If he does not play, you probably aren't beating France or Germany.

We had rough 12 years after that 2002 gold, aside from the 2009 silver in Slovenia. We were robbed so hard in Turkey in 2010, though. Then came 2014 WC and 2016 Olympics, where we obviously couldn't beat the USA in the finals. At that time Jokic appeared and we probably could've won a few Eurobaskets or 2019 WC had he been utilized correctly. Our coaches were pretty stubborn with leaving him on the bench too long or playing him at 4, so we had some crazy stupid loses when it mattered. Serbian public and basketball heads turned against him every time he missed a tournament and were full of nonsense, like that time when Danilovic, head of our national association at the time, and Djordjevic, NT coach, said that only Bogdan could've played in the 90s with them, while Jokic was already dominating the NBA. Djordjevic and later Pesic did not use Jokic as they should've out of pure jealousy and thinking they were smarter than him and everyone in the NBA.

Once Pesic got his head out of his ass, Jokic ruled the Olympics last year. That's why I'm looking at this year's Eurobasket as our huge chance for a gold because Jokic is no longer restrained by dumbness.

Spain is finished, yeah.

I don't know if he will play. He's 30, the window for winning gold will close for him in a few years, so I suppose that he'll be there especially given how good of a time he had with the national team last year. Depends on Denver's playoffs run as well.

[UcanUwill]

I think this is a great chance for us to finally win a gold medal after 23 years and 2002 World Basket.

Serbia is definitely a top 3 favorite, fact they haven't won gold since Yugoslavia split is pretty shocking, but 2005 was huge fiasco and after that you had completely new generation, I still remember your world cup run where average age of your players was like 22, that was crazy. Spain took control and dominated these past 15 years, but this has to be the end for them for good, right?

Do you know if Jokic playing, he is the guy who does not play in every FIBA tournament, so a lot will depend on his decision. If he does not play, you probably aren't beating France or Germany.

We had rough 12 years after that 2002 gold, aside from the 2009 silver in Slovenia. We were robbed so hard in Turkey in 2010, though. Then came 2014 WC and 2016 Olympics, where we obviously couldn't beat the USA in the finals. At that time Jokic appeared and we probably could've won a few Eurobaskets or 2019 WC had he been utilized correctly. Our coaches were pretty stubborn with leaving him on the bench too long or playing him at 4, so we had some crazy stupid loses when it mattered. Serbian public and basketball heads turned against him every time he missed a tournament and were full of nonsense, like that time when Danilovic, head of our national association at the time, and Djordjevic, NT coach, said that only Bogdan could've played in the 90s with them, while Jokic was already dominating the NBA. Djordjevic and later Pesic did not use Jokic as they should've out of pure jealousy and thinking they were smarter than him and everyone in the NBA.

Once Pesic got his head out of his ass, Jokic ruled the Olympics last year. That's why I'm looking at this year's Eurobasket as our huge chance for a gold because Jokic is no longer restrained by dumbness.

Spain is finished, yeah.

I don't know if he will play. He's 30, the window for winning gold will close for him in a few years, so I suppose that he'll be there especially given how good of a time he had with the national team last year. Depends on Denver's playoffs run as well.

So we Lithuanians aren't the only ones with idiot federation members who alienate their best players. Yeah, I am not Serbian fan, but 2010 semi vs Turkey has to be biggest robbery I have seen in FIBA basketball. I don't have good game memory, I forget even recent games I watched, but that was one of those that I never forget.

I usually never the guy who blames refs, I do not put much attention to it as some fans, Lithuanian team were also robbed few times recently, for example when Rudy Gobert obviously interfered with the rim during last seconds of the game and scored two go ahead points, but man, that 2010 game had like 5 instances like that where it really felt that the game was fixed for the host Turkey, It was terrible performance by the officials. Maybe FIBA fixed that game, IDK, but if not, at least one thing I like about FIBA, is that they hold their officials accountable, when you screw up like that on big stage, you can be send packing and even lose the license. In the NBA on the other hand, ref will make inexcusable screw up, and will just ref next night like nothing happened. I understand officiating is hard and its impossible to not make mistakes, but the way NBA operates, where there is none accountability no matter the incompetence, is freaking terrible.

[Zeshawn10]

So israel is in the middle east and Europe? They should not be there

[Jasen777]

4 of 6 advancing from group seems anticlimactic.

[Mirotic12]

Bummer that Wemby is not playing, any better guards compared ro who played for France in the Olympics?

Sylvain Francisco is having a break out season in Euroleague, granted on a bottom feeder team, but still. Coach Collet didn't even invite him last year which was very weird. Also, Collet cut Elie Okobo, who is generally very high quality Euro guard. I think these two are way more capable than let say Ntilikina, who was Collets pet for some reason.

Also, France's best PG of these past several years has been Thomas Heurtel, but he was blackballed because he decided to play in Russia. He is no longer plays in Russia, so the ban could be lifted maybe?

But yes, very sad that Victor is out.

Francisco is better than Heurtel. If the new coach isn't weird with player selections like Collet was, they don't need Heurtel anymore, now that they have Francisco.

[Mirotic12]

So we Lithuanians aren't the only ones with idiot federation members who alienate their best players. Yeah, I am not Serbian fan, but 2010 semi vs Turkey has to be biggest robbery I have seen in FIBA basketball. I don't have good game memory, I forget even recent games I watched, but that was one of those that I never forget.

I usually never the guy who blames refs, I do not put much attention to it as some fans, Lithuanian team were also robbed few times recently, for example when Rudy Gobert obviously interfered with the rim during last seconds of the game and scored two go ahead points, but man, that 2010 game had like 5 instances like that where it really felt that the game was fixed for the host Turkey, It was terrible performance by the officials. Maybe FIBA fixed that game, IDK, but if not, at least one thing I like about FIBA, is that they hold their officials accountable, when you screw up like that on big stage, you can be send packing and even lose the license. In the NBA on the other hand, ref will make inexcusable screw up, and will just ref next night like nothing happened. I understand officiating is hard and its impossible to not make mistakes, but the way NBA operates, where there is none accountability no matter the incompetence, is freaking terrible.

Spain vs. Greece 2010, and Spain vs. Greece 2015 were even bigger robberies.

[Nuntius]

So israel is in the middle east and Europe? They should not be there

Israel has always been a part of European competitions whether we're talking about sports or even stuff like Eurovision. The fact that a significant percentage of Israelis is of European descent definitely plays a role here.

But, also, those competitions are not strictly geographical. Egypt, Lebanon and Syria have all participated in the EuroBasket in the past. It happened in 1949, the tournament was hosted in Egypt and was won by Egypt (with France coming in 2nd and Greece coming in 3rd). Egypt participated in 4 EuroBasket tournaments in total. 1937, 1947 (they came in 3rd), 1949 (the one that they won) and 1953. You see, FIBA Africa wasn't founded until 1961 and the first AfroBasket wasn't played until 1962. Egypt had to play somewhere.

[LuDux1]

So israel is in the middle east and Europe? They should not be there

Israel has always been a part of European competitions whether we're talking about sports or even stuff like Eurovision. The fact that a significant percentage of Israelis is of European descent definitely plays a role here.

But, also, those competitions are not strictly geographical. Egypt, Lebanon and Syria have all participated in the EuroBasket in the past. It happened in 1949, the tournament was hosted in Egypt and was won by Egypt (with France coming in 2nd and Greece coming in 3rd). Egypt participated in 4 EuroBasket tournaments in total. 1937, 1947 (they came in 3rd), 1949 (the one that they won) and 1953. You see, FIBA Africa wasn't founded until 1961 and the first AfroBasket wasn't played until 1962. Egypt had to play somewhere.

Also club teams from Africa and Asia played in European club competitions at least until 1982/83 season

[Nuntius]

So israel is in the middle east and Europe? They should not be there

Israel has always been a part of European competitions whether we're talking about sports or even stuff like Eurovision. The fact that a significant percentage of Israelis is of European descent definitely plays a role here.

But, also, those competitions are not strictly geographical. Egypt, Lebanon and Syria have all participated in the EuroBasket in the past. It happened in 1949, the tournament was hosted in Egypt and was won by Egypt (with France coming in 2nd and Greece coming in 3rd). Egypt participated in 4 EuroBasket tournaments in total. 1937, 1947 (they came in 3rd), 1949 (the one that they won) and 1953. You see, FIBA Africa wasn't founded until 1961 and the first AfroBasket wasn't played until 1962. Egypt had to play somewhere.

Also club teams from Africa and Asia played in European club competitions at least until 1982/83 season

Exactly. And even more examples:

Kazakhstan is part of UEFA in football (UEFA being the federation that consists of European national football associations). Same goes for Cyprus, Armenia and the aforementioned Israel who geographically all belong to West Asia.

And let's not even talk about Australia who left the Oceania Football Confederation to join the Asia Football Confederation despite being nowhere near Asia geographically (or having cultural links to the region). Oh, and Australia also participates in Eurovision, just like Israel does (Morocco also participated in the Eurovision back in 1980).

These competitions are generally based on geography, yes, but that isn't really binding. The federations responsible for those games do have leeway.

[bravor]

Back to the rosters, as usual for Eurobaskets, there will be a lot of big names missing. For whatever reasons (long season, injuries obviously, family etc).

To stick with France, even if Victor said he wanted to play for the NT given the opportunity, he has to follow some protocol most likely. And i doubt it is compatible with some nt participation (esp. in Fiba tournament).
Heurtel won't be in because of his age. Gobert let people know here that he will probably take this summer off (rest/family), and Fall is not necessary planning to play for the nt.
Overall the whole frontline will be unexpected, knowing there is a new coaching staff here.

I don't expect a lot from this squad honnestly but we will see.

[UcanUwill]

Back to the rosters, as usual for Eurobaskets, there will be a lot of big names missing. For whatever reasons (long season, injuries obviously, family etc).

To stick with France, even if Victor said he wanted to play for the NT given the opportunity, he has to follow some protocol most likely. And i doubt it is compatible with some nt participation (esp. in Fiba tournament).
Heurtel won't be in because of his age. Gobert let people know here that he will probably take this summer off (rest/family), and Fall is not necessary planning to play for the nt.
Overall the whole frontline will be unexpected, knowing there is a new coaching staff here.

I don't expect a lot from this squad honnestly but we will see.

Players skip continental tournaments, but I feel they skip World cup even more still. Some World cup Rosters are often a complete wack. Olympics is still the only competition Basketball players tend to never skip. It will be interesting to see the rosters, I imagine Sabonis and Victor wont play, I just have a feeling Jokic or Luka might not play either.

[Mavrelous]

Bumping this, tournament starts almost a month from now.
Riga should be the most interesting, Jokic, Porzingis and Sengun will be there, Bogi won't play though, Latvia looked great in the last tournament, and they are playing at home, should be fun.
Greece will be practically at home in Cyprus, Giannis is playing, Spain and Italy are weaker than they were, but Limassol has some good resorts, if people want to also enjoy some relaxation.
Wemby confirmed he is not playing, France should still be favoured to win the group, but the group lost some of its appeal, Luka is the only NBA star in Krakow.
Finland and Germany will be in Helsinki, looks like the Lithuanians bigs won't play.

[remiga007]

Finland and Germany will be in Helsinki, looks like the Lithuanians bigs won't play.

Pretty sure Valančiūnas is going to play.

[Mavrelous]

Finland and Germany will be in Helsinki, looks like the Lithuanians bigs won't play.

Pretty sure Valančiūnas is going to play.

Gemini says it's uncertain.