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[Capn'O]

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5 picks for a 1 game improvement

as predicted. and they've been healthier this year too. brunson has missed like 7 or 8 games now and mitch. but we lost both og and randle for a lot longer last year along with mitch.

Highlights what a loss iHart was.

[Capn'O]

Hopefully we get an I <3 Hukporti explosion next year. He showed flashes of being able to do similar things. It took iHart a couple of years to be fully consistent in what he does.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s funny the people that argued to death that we when we made the trade that KAT needs to be at the 5 for that magical 5 out offense to beat Boston, only for them to switch up and say now we miss Ihart hilarious.

[Capn'O]

It’s funny the people that argued to death that we when we made the trade that KAT needs to be at the 5 for that magical 5 out offense to beat Boston, only for them to switch up and say now we miss Ihart hilarious.

I did not do that.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s funny the people that argued to death that we when we made the trade that KAT needs to be at the 5 for that magical 5 out offense to beat Boston, only for them to switch up and say now we miss Ihart hilarious.

I did not do that.

Not you sir. They know who they are. I wish we had Brook Lopez with KAT.

[Iron Mantis]

Somehow

Hartenstein >>>>>>> KAT
Donte >>>>>>>>>>> Mikal

And no Randle
And no Mitch

But somehow, all those gigantic downgrades has led us to the same record.

And the huge upgrades the Wolves received for KAT has turned them from contenders to fighting for a play-in spot this year.

Life comes at you fast.

[HopelessKnick]

If I remember correctly IHart was like top 3 in net rating on our team....so yeah he was a gigantic loss, especially since he went for nothing in return. What makes me even more nervous going forward is the fact that Thibs and his team did not even realize how good Hartenstein could be and were only forced to play him once Mitch went down. Really a terrible look for Thibs.

I wouldn't compare Hartenstein and KAT because they kinda differ a lot in role, style and a bit on position as well. However, the discussion whether Randle/Hartenstein is a better duo than KAT/Mitch can definitely be had. And I generally like KAT and his offensive game a lot. I'm just not sure whether we can be elite with JB and KAT on defense. Seems rather problematic.

[HopelessKnick]

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Kind of the story of this season and why the overall mood is rather down than upbeat. I'm usually a humble guy and wouldn't feel bad about this, but when you have traded all your FRPs 7 years in to the future and unprotected and have very little room to improve....then above stat becomes depressive.

Hoping for the best with Tyler. I'll go out on a limb and say he'll get 14+ assists. He will also hit 2+ 3 pointer. Knicks win a very close game.

We’re not there yet. This team needs (1) to improve the bench, and (3) time to gel.

While this is correct, improving (1) is really going to be much more difficult than some may believe.

1. Good, established bench players/veterans usually make upside somewhere between 10-20mill. a year. Of course you may find someone on a rookie or smaller deal but most make higher salaries. Then the ones on small deals are even more valuable in today's NBA due to the restrictive CBA.

One remark in regards to last year's team: We just lost way too much depths. Remember last season we had IQ, DD, Hart and Hartenstein off the bench in our 9-man rotation. Probably the best bench in the league. Deuce didn't even make the rotation until after the OG trade. Think about that. Now imagine how impossible it'd be to get a bench anywhere near that level with no contracts and no picks. This is why this team is looking pretty locked in their current position and Thibs reluctance to develop our younger players is actually unacceptable at this point. Developing rookies is not even optional at this point---it is an absolute must. We won't be able to add 2-3 strong bench players through our tradable assets.

[god shammgod]

It’s wild that going from Ihart to KAT was a big downgrade. Donte > Mikal too. Very sad.

ihart wasn't even any good until half way into the year. and we could have got walker kessler for 2 picks if we wanted. what are we talking about ?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

5 picks for a 1 game improvement

as predicted. and they've been healthier this year too. brunson has missed like 7 or 8 games now and mitch. but we lost both og and randle for a lot longer last year along with mitch.

That’s how you know Mikal and KAT has minimal impact on the game. they can’t win anything without Brunson.

Knicks were 1-4 without Brunson last season
Knicks are 6-5 without Brunson this season

[HopelessKnick]

It’s wild that going from Ihart to KAT was a big downgrade. Donte > Mikal too. Very sad.

ihart wasn't even any good until half way into the year. and we could have got walker kessler for 2 picks if we wanted. what are we talking about ?

That's not true. IHart didn't magically improve in december all of a sudden. Thibs and his team just misjudged his ability....prior to Mitch's injury there was chatter that IHart was completely disgruntled with his lack of playing time and the way Thibs used him on the court. Then Mitch got hurt and everything changed because Thibs' hand was forced.

[god shammgod]

It’s wild that going from Ihart to KAT was a big downgrade. Donte > Mikal too. Very sad.

ihart wasn't even any good until half way into the year. and we could have got walker kessler for 2 picks if we wanted. what are we talking about ?

That's not true. IHart didn't magically improve in december all of a sudden. Thibs and his team just misjudged his ability....prior to Mitch's injury there was chatter that IHart was completely disgruntled with his lack of playing time and the way Thibs used him on the court. Then Mitch got hurt and everything changed because Thibs' hand was forced.

either way, he wasn't having any huge impact on winning us games for the first 30 something

[NiceLikeChrist]

ihart wasn't even any good until half way into the year. and we could have got walker kessler for 2 picks if we wanted. what are we talking about ?

That's not true. IHart didn't magically improve in december all of a sudden. Thibs and his team just misjudged his ability....prior to Mitch's injury there was chatter that IHart was completely disgruntled with his lack of playing time and the way Thibs used him on the court. Then Mitch got hurt and everything changed because Thibs' hand was forced.

either way, he wasn't having any huge impact on winning us games for the first 30 something

Yea because the bozo coach didn’t play him enough or put him in positions to help the team how he should

In our first 20 games he cracked 20 mins 3 times when 25 mins should’ve been his bare minimum even with Mitch there.

[mpharris36]

Somehow

Hartenstein >>>>>>> KAT
Donte >>>>>>>>>>> Mikal

And no Randle
And no Mitch

But somehow, all those gigantic downgrades has led us to the same record.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

ihart wasn't even any good until half way into the year. and we could have got walker kessler for 2 picks if we wanted. what are we talking about ?

That's not true. IHart didn't magically improve in december all of a sudden. Thibs and his team just misjudged his ability....prior to Mitch's injury there was chatter that IHart was completely disgruntled with his lack of playing time and the way Thibs used him on the court. Then Mitch got hurt and everything changed because Thibs' hand was forced.

either way, he wasn't having any huge impact on winning us games for the first 30 something

He had the 3rd highest net rating through the first 30 games, and he didn't have a huge impact because he wasn't starting until after twinkle toes broke his foot. I noticed you're not calling him Shart too, Ihart won the war against sham, this is like the US dropping the Sinaloa Cartel off it's list.

[god shammgod]

That's not true. IHart didn't magically improve in december all of a sudden. Thibs and his team just misjudged his ability....prior to Mitch's injury there was chatter that IHart was completely disgruntled with his lack of playing time and the way Thibs used him on the court. Then Mitch got hurt and everything changed because Thibs' hand was forced.

either way, he wasn't having any huge impact on winning us games for the first 30 something

Yea because the bozo coach didn’t play him enough or put him in positions to help the team how he should

In our first 20 games he cracked 20 mins 3 times when 25 mins should’ve been his bare minimum even with Mitch there.

fine, that's not the argument though. you can't claim that he's why we had the record we did last year. you're admitting he hardly played for a significant piece of it.

[rajajackal]

It’s wild that going from Ihart to KAT was a big downgrade. Donte > Mikal too. Very sad.

ihart wasn't even any good until half way into the year. and we could have got walker kessler for 2 picks if we wanted. what are we talking about ?

i probably underrate ihart on purpose just because the outsized glazing he gets from this fanbase makes me sick. the way people started sh*tting on mitch, whose return was the only reason ihart didn't fumble the series vs joel embiid...truly nasty behavior

[god shammgod]

That's not true. IHart didn't magically improve in december all of a sudden. Thibs and his team just misjudged his ability....prior to Mitch's injury there was chatter that IHart was completely disgruntled with his lack of playing time and the way Thibs used him on the court. Then Mitch got hurt and everything changed because Thibs' hand was forced.

either way, he wasn't having any huge impact on winning us games for the first 30 something

He had the 3rd highest net rating through the first 30 games, and he didn't have a huge impact because he wasn't starting until after twinkle toes broke his foot. I noticed you're not calling him Shart too, Ihart won the war against sham, this is like the US dropping the Sinaloa Cartel off it's list.

the starting lineup had your former savior rj in it dragging everyone down. the bench always had better numbers at that point in the season.

and you forget as usual, but i won the war in the playoffs when old sharty was getting his sh*t pushed in against embiid and he needed mitch to save him so we could win that series. sad.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s wild that going from Ihart to KAT was a big downgrade. Donte > Mikal too. Very sad.

ihart wasn't even any good until half way into the year. and we could have got walker kessler for 2 picks if we wanted. what are we talking about ?

Yea he didn’t even play well until way later in the season either and yet we were still a much better team last year. These people will come up with any dumb argument to avoid admitting KAT and Mikal wasn’t worth going all in on just minimal impact these guys have.

[mpharris36]

ihart wasn't even any good until half way into the year. and we could have got walker kessler for 2 picks if we wanted. what are we talking about ?

That's not true. IHart didn't magically improve in december all of a sudden. Thibs and his team just misjudged his ability....prior to Mitch's injury there was chatter that IHart was completely disgruntled with his lack of playing time and the way Thibs used him on the court. Then Mitch got hurt and everything changed because Thibs' hand was forced.

either way, he wasn't having any huge impact on winning us games for the first 30 something

Don't agree.

We were 17-13 through the first 30 games last year.

3 bench players IQ, Hart, and Ihart all had our highest NET ratings. Our most productive unit until the OG trade was our bench. We basically would hope our starters would keep the game tied and the bench typically was the one that was where we had the advantage.

Obviously after the RJ/IQ trade for OG.

Interesting enough that is roughly around when Ihart went into the starting lineup as wel; and the team started to take off.