2025 OFFSEASON

[CrimsonCrew]

this FO loves these types, the toolsy types with traits who they think might be undervalued because they didn't play as well in college. they drafted Robert Beal and the dude started 10 games in 5 years in college, all based primarily on his traits

which means it wouldn't be surprise me at all if they take a Shemar Stewart or something at 11, just an athletic freak they think they can mold and develop into something more than he was in college.

There has been some of that. I think Kinlaw fits that mold, though he had one productive year. Lance obviously, though again he had the one good year. It seems like the Lance pick may have jarred them out of that, though. They haven't taken many risky players early since then.

Beal was a late fifth-rounder, so I don't think he's a great comparison point. At that point, your choice is usually the unathletic grinder or the athletic underachiever (or injury/character concerns, size concerns, etc.). I don't think there's necessarily a wrong pick - at least in terms of types - that late in the draft. Sometimes those picks hit, usually they don't. Only three DEs were taken after Beal: Ochaun Mathis, Andre Jones, Moro Ojomo. Only Mathis has really made any impact at all, and he is on his third team and has no career sacks. Beal has been a really good STs player and has been solid against the run, but he needs to improve his pass rush. He'll have a chance to show some growth this year. I was and am fine with that pick.

[CrimsonCrew]

I was listening to a podcast that was going over the breakdown of 49ers visits with prospects. It gave me a little bit of hope for the offseason, though also some concerns.

I'll tackle the latter first. Lots of WRs and RBs. No problem adding those positions, but I don't want to use any of our first three or four picks on those positions unless the value is just absurd. If Kyle drafts another RB in the first three rounds, I'm going to lose it.

The breakdown of the visits is interesting, though. They've met with a boatload of guys who profile as UDFAs. This is an area where we can really capitalize this year. I think the Niners are always a coveted spot for UDFAs. It's a great organization, and they have had a lot of UDFAs and late-round picks break through recently. However, in recent history, there haven't been a ton of opportunities for those guys to make the roster (though more than you'd think). This year, I can't imagine a more enticing place for a UDFA than the Niners. Still a great organization, but now they have almost no depth at a load of positions. There is so much opportunity to make the roster.

I have some concerns about the FO's approach this offseason, but I also think there's some logic to it. In past years, they have filled out the roster leading up to the draft. They had enough guys to field a squad, so they had more flexibility in the draft. There's something to be said for that flexibility, and we may see some real reaches this year as a result (though when haven't we with this FO?). But I have also repeatedly heard the FO say that they didn't think rookies could make the roster over middle-of-the-road vets. Why pay Yetur Gross-Matos a premium and pass on late-round picks when you can add late-round picks and add a cheap street FA after the draft?

Again, not at all sold it will work, but I think it's worth a shot on a team that had become extremely top-heavy, old, and lacked young depth being groomed at impact positions.

[clyde21]

I'll tackle the latter first. Lots of WRs and RBs. No problem adding those positions, but I don't want to use any of our first three or four picks on those positions unless the value is just absurd. If Kyle drafts another RB in the first three rounds, I'm going to lose it.

we have 4 picks in the top 100, I guarantee one will be for a RB lol

[Jikkle]

I'll tackle the latter first. Lots of WRs and RBs. No problem adding those positions, but I don't want to use any of our first three or four picks on those positions unless the value is just absurd. If Kyle drafts another RB in the first three rounds, I'm going to lose it.

we have 4 picks in the top 100, I guarantee one will be for a RB lol

I tend to believe we won't pick up an RB with any picks in rounds 1-4.

In the past few years they've done it because the roster was in good shape and they could afford to take some luxury picks.

This year it's pretty clear they want to revamp the defense and the plan was to inject a lot of youth via the draft so I wouldn't certainly rule out an RB being taken but I'm leaning on them emphasizing defense when it comes to who to draft.

I think 3 out of the 4 picks in the top 100 are going to be defense. I think the only offensive pick will be a WR or OL.

[RIPskaterdude]

Kyle loves RBs and if CMC goes down, this team has to depend on Guerendo and Taylor. I guarantee you they will take Skattebo if he's available in the 3rd

[clyde21]

Kyle loves RBs and if CMC goes down, this team has to depend on Guerendo and Taylor. I guarantee you they will take Skattebo if he's available in the 3rd

i think Skatt is on the table in the 2nd for Kyle, or even Trev Henderson.

[RIPskaterdude]

Kyle loves RBs and if CMC goes down, this team has to depend on Guerendo and Taylor. I guarantee you they will take Skattebo if he's available in the 3rd

i think Skatt is on the table in the 2nd for Kyle, or even Trev Henderson.

Maybe if they trade down, I wouldn't take him at 43 but 49ers love a good reach pick

[clyde21]

Kyle loves RBs and if CMC goes down, this team has to depend on Guerendo and Taylor. I guarantee you they will take Skattebo if he's available in the 3rd

i think Skatt is on the table in the 2nd for Kyle, or even Trev Henderson.

Maybe if they trade down, I wouldn't take him at 43 but 49ers love a good reach pick

i wouldn't either, but guarantee you they're both on the table at 43 for Kylynch

[clyde21]

I'll tackle the latter first. Lots of WRs and RBs. No problem adding those positions, but I don't want to use any of our first three or four picks on those positions unless the value is just absurd. If Kyle drafts another RB in the first three rounds, I'm going to lose it.

we have 4 picks in the top 100, I guarantee one will be for a RB lol

I tend to believe we won't pick up an RB with any picks in rounds 1-4.

In the past few years they've done it because the roster was in good shape and they could afford to take some luxury picks.

This year it's pretty clear they want to revamp the defense and the plan was to inject a lot of youth via the draft so I wouldn't certainly rule out an RB being taken but I'm leaning on them emphasizing defense when it comes to who to draft.

I think 3 out of the 4 picks in the top 100 are going to be defense. I think the only offensive pick will be a WR or OL.

my prediction is that they'll a DL at 11 and a RB at 43, then just BPA it at OL/defense the rest of the way.

[CrimsonCrew]

Kyle loves RBs and if CMC goes down, this team has to depend on Guerendo and Taylor. I guarantee you they will take Skattebo if he's available in the 3rd

i think Skatt is on the table in the 2nd for Kyle, or even Trev Henderson.

If they take Skattebo at 43, I will absolutely lose it. That would be indescribably dumb on so many levels.

[thesack12]

Adam Schefter saying Aiyuk "could be ready to play by midseason."

Damn, midseason? And adding the word "could" in there, doesn't even inspire the utmost confidence he'll be on the field by then.

Usually it takes guys with torn ACL's at least half a season to round back into form, and Aiyuk is dealing with a torn MCL as well. Currently, its seeming like its going to be another lost season for #11. If so, that would make 2 throwaway seasons for him, since signing the mega extension.

Hopefully Ricky is ready to rise up, and Jennings continues his ascension. The WR position going into the season, isn't looking the strongest. Going to have to mine some notable production out of Robinson, and hope Cowing can provide something of substance. I want absolutely nothing to do with Trent Taylor. Why is he even still on the roster?

[wco81]

Apparently the over/under for wins is 10.5, which is the highest in the division? Or maybe the Rams are at the same number.

That surprised Bill Simmons, who would have guessed 7.5 or 8.5.

[Pattersonca65]

[quote="thesack12"]Adam Schefter saying Aiyuk "could be ready to play by midseason."

Damn, midseason? And adding the word "could" in there, doesn't even inspire the utmost confidence he'll be on the field by then.

Usually it takes guys with torn ACL's at least half a season to round back into form, and Aiyuk is dealing with a torn MCL as well. Currently, its seeming like its going to be another lost season for #11. If so, that would make 2 throwaway seasons for him, since signing the mega extension.

Hopefully Ricky is ready to rise up, and Jennings continues his ascension. The WR position going into the season, isn't looking the strongest. Going to have to mine some notable production out of Robinson, and hope Cowing can provide something of substance. I want absolutely nothing to do with Trent Taylor. Why is he even still on the roster?[/quot

I read about his comments. What are the comments based on? Is this what he heard from doctors?

[clyde21]

Adam Schefter saying Aiyuk "could be ready to play by midseason."

Damn, midseason? And adding the word "could" in there, doesn't even inspire the utmost confidence he'll be on the field by then.

Usually it takes guys with torn ACL's at least half a season to round back into form, and Aiyuk is dealing with a torn MCL as well. Currently, its seeming like its going to be another lost season for #11. If so, that would make 2 throwaway seasons for him, since signing the mega extension.

Hopefully Ricky is ready to rise up, and Jennings continues his ascension. The WR position going into the season, isn't looking the strongest. Going to have to mine some notable production out of Robinson, and hope Cowing can provide something of substance. I want absolutely nothing to do with Trent Taylor. Why is he even still on the roster?

i was just thinking today that it wouldn't completely shock me if they trade back in the first and take Luther Burden. who's *exactly* the type of WR Kyle loves

i think people who think we're just gonna go a bunch of DL/OL in the first 100 might be disappointed lol

[Jikkle]

Adam Schefter saying Aiyuk "could be ready to play by midseason."

Damn, midseason? And adding the word "could" in there, doesn't even inspire the utmost confidence he'll be on the field by then.

Usually it takes guys with torn ACL's at least half a season to round back into form, and Aiyuk is dealing with a torn MCL as well. Currently, its seeming like its going to be another lost season for #11. If so, that would make 2 throwaway seasons for him, since signing the mega extension.

Hopefully Ricky is ready to rise up, and Jennings continues his ascension. The WR position going into the season, isn't looking the strongest. Going to have to mine some notable production out of Robinson, and hope Cowing can provide something of substance. I want absolutely nothing to do with Trent Taylor. Why is he even still on the roster?

i was just thinking today that it wouldn't completely shock me if they trade back in the first and take Luther Burden. who's *exactly* the type of WR Kyle loves

i think people who think we're just gonna go a bunch of DL/OL in the first 100 might be disappointed lol

I still expect it to lean more on defense than offense but I do anticipate there will be a WR taken within the first 3 rounds.

I just think it's clearly the plan to overhaul the defense through the draft. It seems like Saleh wants to do a 2.0 version of this defense which is why I think they purged a lot of the defensive roster in favor of getting young guys to mold into Saleh's updated system.

Because I believe offensively we're fine and Kyle probably thinks that too. Definitely could use some upgrades especially along the line but the offense should get better with a healthy Trent, CMC, and Pearsall. You could do a lot worse having Pearsall, Jennings, Kittle, and CMC as your weapons.

[Harry Palmer]

Adam Schefter saying Aiyuk "could be ready to play by midseason."

Damn, midseason? And adding the word "could" in there, doesn't even inspire the utmost confidence he'll be on the field by then.

Usually it takes guys with torn ACL's at least half a season to round back into form, and Aiyuk is dealing with a torn MCL as well. Currently, its seeming like its going to be another lost season for #11. If so, that would make 2 throwaway seasons for him, since signing the mega extension.

Hopefully Ricky is ready to rise up, and Jennings continues his ascension. The WR position going into the season, isn't looking the strongest. Going to have to mine some notable production out of Robinson, and hope Cowing can provide something of substance. I want absolutely nothing to do with Trent Taylor. Why is he even still on the roster?

i was just thinking today that it wouldn't completely shock me if they trade back in the first and take Luther Burden. who's *exactly* the type of WR Kyle loves

i think people who think we're just gonna go a bunch of DL/OL in the first 100 might be disappointed lol

I still expect it to lean more on defense than offense but I do anticipate there will be a WR taken within the first 3 rounds.

I just think it's clearly the plan to overhaul the defense through the draft. It seems like Saleh wants to do a 2.0 version of this defense which is why I think they purged a lot of the defensive roster in favor of getting young guys to mold into Saleh's updated system.

Because I believe offensively we're fine and Kyle probably thinks that too. Definitely could use some upgrades especially along the line but the offense should get better with a healthy Trent, CMC, and Pearsall. You could do a lot worse having Pearsall, Jennings, Kittle, and CMC as your weapons.

Trent and CMC, I’d say we should expect some health issues this season. But with the poor pass pro and Pearsall our top wideout…meh. Maybe I’m overly pessimistic, or spoiled, but not feeling as safe here as you are.

[clyde21]

Yea, I'm not convinced we're gonna get 2023 CMC ever again tbh, he'll turn 29 in June, coming off a major injury with already a huge injury history, that's not say he still can't be good but I wouldn't bet on OPOY CMC again, Trent's good but declining, and again old, Aiyuk won't be available until mid season and who knows what he'll look like, and that's without even mentioning the concerns on the rest of the OL

i dunno, there is a lot of holes here, we talk a lot about the lines as we should but the WR/RB situation can also start looking bad really quickly...this is just not a great roster at this point tbh and I don't think we're particularly safe at any

trading Mason (who tbh isn't a great fit here anyways) makes me think we've identified a couple of guys we like in this draft already., question is if they are on day 2 or day 3.

[Jikkle]

i was just thinking today that it wouldn't completely shock me if they trade back in the first and take Luther Burden. who's *exactly* the type of WR Kyle loves

i think people who think we're just gonna go a bunch of DL/OL in the first 100 might be disappointed lol

I still expect it to lean more on defense than offense but I do anticipate there will be a WR taken within the first 3 rounds.

I just think it's clearly the plan to overhaul the defense through the draft. It seems like Saleh wants to do a 2.0 version of this defense which is why I think they purged a lot of the defensive roster in favor of getting young guys to mold into Saleh's updated system.

Because I believe offensively we're fine and Kyle probably thinks that too. Definitely could use some upgrades especially along the line but the offense should get better with a healthy Trent, CMC, and Pearsall. You could do a lot worse having Pearsall, Jennings, Kittle, and CMC as your weapons.

Trent and CMC, I’d say we should expect some health issues this season. But with the poor pass pro and Pearsall our top wideout…meh. Maybe I’m overly pessimistic, or spoiled, but not feeling as safe here as you are.

To be clear I'm just saying the offense will be fine and not suggesting it's going to be amazing.

Take last season and the top 4 teams in terms of average yards a game with Baltimore, Detroit, Tampa Bay, and 49ers. Then look at the top 4 teams when it came to points which were Detroit, Buffalo, Baltimore, and Tampa Bay. Where did the 9ers rank in points per game? 14th. That's just a crazy disparity between the two and highlights just how great we were at moving the ball and how terrible we were actually scoring.

My point is despite all the injuries and crap the offense went through last season it still was one of the better offenses in the league moving the ball. If they could solve the redzone issues or at least make a significant improvement there we'd actually still be one of the higher end offenses in the league. And that was last year where Aiyuk, Pearsall, CMC, Williams, and Mason missed time with injuries which caused their impact to be minimal throughout the season.

[clyde21]

Sounds like Kyle was behind the Aiyuk debacle

dudes needs to be excommunicated from the FO

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/brandon-aiyuk-contract-ties-49ers-hands-on-a-possible-trade

[Jikkle]

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/189799-report-outbid-broncos-greenlaw-linebacker/

Guess you can't say they didn't try.

I'm torn on losing Greenlaw because when he's healthy him and Warner are an amazing duo. Though I won't miss those 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalties....

On the other hand I seriously question how healthy he'll be from here on out. He was already a player constantly banged up and those players don't get less banged up as they get older.

So a part of me thinks we might end up dodging a bullet if he's just going to be a guy that is going to consistently miss chunks of the season from here on out.