2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?)

[iggymcfrack]

No one’s voting for Cade or ANT. Time to add Giddey to the poll. I actually feel like they’re more dangerous than the Bucks and Giddey’s more important to Chicago than Giannis is to Milwaukee.

Yeah Josh Giddey deserves to be over Giannis....absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I didn’t say that. Obviously Giannis should be in the poll. I said Giddey should be in the poll over ANT and Cade because he’s more critical to his team than Giannis given their current team constructions.

[RRR3]

No one’s voting for Cade or ANT. Time to add Giddey to the poll. I actually feel like they’re more dangerous than the Bucks and Giddey’s more important to Chicago than Giannis is to Milwaukee.

I really hope you are trolling

[RRR3]

No one’s voting for Cade or ANT. Time to add Giddey to the poll. I actually feel like they’re more dangerous than the Bucks and Giddey’s more important to Chicago than Giannis is to Milwaukee.

Yeah Josh Giddey deserves to be over Giannis....absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I didn’t say that. Obviously Giannis should be in the poll. I said Giddey should be in the poll over ANT and Cade because he’s more critical to his team than Giannis given their current team constructions.

Josh Giddey has a worse EPM than Andrew Nembhard what are you even talking about? 79th percentile in EPM is not an MVP level player or even close.

[lethalizer]

This is make up star versus basketball player.

SGA is Silver's Jordan. Things Stern did for Jordan same for what Silver do for SGA. Cheap fouls for SGA, overly protected for foul against for other teams. Dont call fauls for Thunder.

Same Stern did Jordan and the Bulls in 90s.

It was disgusting at that time, It is disgusting now too.

At least Jordan has the skills and fundementals that SGA has none. And he was never try to sell fauls like SGA.

This was a great read, laughed my ass off, so thanks for that.

Especially the "jordan never sells fouls" stuff.

[Zadeh]

This is make up star versus basketball player.

SGA is Silver's Jordan. Things Stern did for Jordan same for what Silver do for SGA. Cheap fouls for SGA, overly protected for foul against for other teams. Dont call fauls for Thunder.

Same Stern did Jordan and the Bulls in 90s.

It was disgusting at that time, It is disgusting now too.

At least Jordan has the skills and fundementals that SGA has none. And he was never try to sell fauls like SGA.

This is blatant trolling, go to to the youtube comment section with this kinda crap.

Yes trolling, Bickerstaff and Finch are also troll isn't it ?

[Zadeh]

This is make up star versus basketball player.

SGA is Silver's Jordan. Things Stern did for Jordan same for what Silver do for SGA. Cheap fouls for SGA, overly protected for foul against for other teams. Dont call fauls for Thunder.

Same Stern did Jordan and the Bulls in 90s.

It was disgusting at that time, It is disgusting now too.

At least Jordan has the skills and fundementals that SGA has none. And he was never try to sell fauls like SGA.

This was a great read, laughed my ass off, so thanks for that.

Especially the "jordan never sells fouls" stuff.

I think you are not reading well,

I didnt say "jordan never sells fouls" , it's your crap.

I said "he was never try to sell fauls like SGA" if you still don't understand difference, I could spelling it for you letter by letter.

[RRR3]

This is make up star versus basketball player.

SGA is Silver's Jordan. Things Stern did for Jordan same for what Silver do for SGA. Cheap fouls for SGA, overly protected for foul against for other teams. Dont call fauls for Thunder.

Same Stern did Jordan and the Bulls in 90s.

It was disgusting at that time, It is disgusting now too.

At least Jordan has the skills and fundementals that SGA has none. And he was never try to sell fauls like SGA.

This is blatant trolling, go to to the youtube comment section with this kinda crap.

Yes trolling, Bickerstaff and Finch are also troll isn't it ?

You cannot honestly think Bickerstaff and Finch would say SGA has no skills. Stop trolling.

[Zadeh]

This is blatant trolling, go to to the youtube comment section with this kinda crap.

Yes trolling, Bickerstaff and Finch are also troll isn't it ?

You cannot honestly think Bickerstaff and Finch would say SGA has no skills. Stop trolling.

Sga has Jordan's skills and fundemantals ????

If you think so, it is what trolling is

[Manimal]

Jokic is the most casual MVP of all time. Little euro step from 70 feet...sure why not?

[iggymcfrack]

Yeah Josh Giddey deserves to be over Giannis....absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I didn’t say that. Obviously Giannis should be in the poll. I said Giddey should be in the poll over ANT and Cade because he’s more critical to his team than Giannis given their current team constructions.

Josh Giddey has a worse EPM than Andrew Nembhard what are you even talking about? 79th percentile in EPM is not an MVP level player or even close.

I’m talking about RIGHT NOW Giddey’s that crucial. Obviously if you include the part of the season before the teamkiller got shipped off to Sacramento he’s not going to look special.

[guynumber45]

As a big Jokic stan myself, this MVP debate is opening my eyes to why so many people hate Jokic fans lmao. Yall are a very annoying bunch. Jokic is having an amazing historical season. But if Shai were to win the award, we cannot act as if it was some kind of robbery. Shai is having one of the best guard seasons in recent memory and leading a Thunder team to the 2nd best net rating of all time, only trailing the 96 Bulls. He is more than deserving of the award.

[Castle Black]

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[hardenASG13]

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He played 32 minutes, those are pretty normal stats for him (except the steals), against a Jazz team who everyone is lighting up.

[kazyv]

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He played 32 minutes, those are pretty normal stats for him (except the steals), against a Jazz team who everyone is lighting up.

4 steals is pretty good. he's still in the running for third in steals per game on the season, which is pretty nutty for a supposedly bad defender

[Castle Black]

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He played 32 minutes, those are pretty normal stats for him (except the steals), against a Jazz team who everyone is lighting up.

4 steals is pretty good. he's still in the running for third in steals per game on the season, which is pretty nutty for a supposedly bad defender

Iverson is my favorite player of all-time time. Often led the league in steals or was close to the top. Do you consider him a good defender because of it?

[kazyv]

He played 32 minutes, those are pretty normal stats for him (except the steals), against a Jazz team who everyone is lighting up.

4 steals is pretty good. he's still in the running for third in steals per game on the season, which is pretty nutty for a supposedly bad defender

Iverson is my favorite player of all-time time. Often led the league in steals or was close to the top. Do you consider him a good defender because of it?

I don't know enough about Iverson, but I do know how Jokic gets his steals. He's not out there gambling the passing lane. He gets steals because he's an active defender with good hands. So I really have no idea where you're going with your question. Maybe try again?

[hardenASG13]

4 steals is pretty good. he's still in the running for third in steals per game on the season, which is pretty nutty for a supposedly bad defender

Iverson is my favorite player of all-time time. Often led the league in steals or was close to the top. Do you consider him a good defender because of it?

I don't know enough about Iverson, but I do know how Jokic gets his steals. He's not out there gambling the passing lane. He gets steals because he's an active defender with good hands. So I really have no idea where you're going with your question. Maybe try again?

You said he was in the running for 3rd in steals per game, and mocked the notion he was a bad a defender with that as the reason. I pointed out AI was a league leader in steals but is considered a bad defender. Jokic isn't more of an "active defender" than Allen Iverson. He gets lots of steals on drives because he doesn't jump to contest shots, instead swipes at the ball and if it doesn't work concedes a layup most of the time. It's a similar flaw to AI gambling in passing lanes too much. Both had/have other issues as well on defense (Iverson too small, Jokic too slow/doesn't get off his feet).

I'm just not sure why Jokic being "in the running for third in steals per game " would make him a good defender.

[kazyv]

Iverson is my favorite player of all-time time. Often led the league in steals or was close to the top. Do you consider him a good defender because of it?

I don't know enough about Iverson, but I do know how Jokic gets his steals. He's not out there gambling the passing lane. He gets steals because he's an active defender with good hands. So I really have no idea where you're going with your question. Maybe try again?

You said he was in the running for 3rd in steals per game, and mocked the notion he was a bad a defender with that as the reason. I pointed out AI was a league leader in steals but is considered a bad defender. Jokic isn't more of an "active defender" than Allen Iverson. He gets lots of steals on drives because he doesn't jump to contest shots, instead swipes at the ball and if it doesn't work concedes a layup most of the time. It's a similar flaw to AI gambling in passing lanes too much. Both had/have other issues as well on defense (Iverson too small, Jokic too slow/doesn't get off his feet).

I'm just not sure why Jokic being "in the running for third in steals per game " would make him a good defender.

because getting steals on defense is good, unless you're giving up something to get those steals, i.e. gambling to catch a pass and giving up your defensive assignment, so once you fail to get the steal, your assignment is open.

you suggest that jokic gives up... open shots so that he gets steals? he gets steals from... not contesting shots? that's got to be the dumbest point ever. getting steals is literally contesting your opponent. if you steal the ball, he can't shoot it. your comparison simply doesn't work, because Jokic isn't giving up something on defense to get those steals. the contrapositive is him simply not contesting a shot, not him all of a sudden becoming hulk and contesting every shot that he doesn't swipe for for a steal.

not to mention that most of his steals come from intercepting/getting disrupting passes/dribles, so his basket defense has nothing to do with it anyways.

him getting that many steals is him contributing to defense and showing that he does it on an elite level, since there's very few players in the nba that can do it as well as him

[hardenASG13]

I don't know enough about Iverson, but I do know how Jokic gets his steals. He's not out there gambling the passing lane. He gets steals because he's an active defender with good hands. So I really have no idea where you're going with your question. Maybe try again?

You said he was in the running for 3rd in steals per game, and mocked the notion he was a bad a defender with that as the reason. I pointed out AI was a league leader in steals but is considered a bad defender. Jokic isn't more of an "active defender" than Allen Iverson. He gets lots of steals on drives because he doesn't jump to contest shots, instead swipes at the ball and if it doesn't work concedes a layup most of the time. It's a similar flaw to AI gambling in passing lanes too much. Both had/have other issues as well on defense (Iverson too small, Jokic too slow/doesn't get off his feet).

I'm just not sure why Jokic being "in the running for third in steals per game " would make him a good defender.

because getting steals on defense is good, unless you're giving up something to get those steals, i.e. gambling to catch a pass and giving up your defensive assignment, so once you fail to get the steal, your assignment is open.

you suggest that jokic gives up... open shots so that he gets steals? he gets steals from... not contesting shots? that's got to be the dumbest point ever. getting steals is literally contesting your opponent. if you steal the ball, he can't shoot it. your comparison simply doesn't work, because Jokic isn't giving up something on defense to get those steals. the contrapositive is him simply not contesting a shot, not him all of a sudden becoming hulk and contesting every shot that he doesn't swipe for for a steal.

not to mention that most of his steals come from intercepting/getting disrupting passes/dribles, so his basket defense has nothing to do with it anyways.

him getting that many steals is him contributing to defense and showing that he does it on an elite level, since there's very few players in the nba that can do it as well as him

This what Jokic does, though. When his man sets a screen, and Jokic is supposed to hedge or recover he often just tries to swipe at the ball or steal the pass to his man. It results in a steal every now and then. If he doesn't get it, he generally gives up on the play. He occasionally gets them in helpside on the back line, as his move is usually to come try to swipe for a steal and not jump. If he doesn't get the steal, it's generally a conceded layup. It's a similar flaw to AI missing in passing lanes (which occured far less than than Jokic not rotating, selling out for a steal after his man sets a screen and giving up on the play if he doesnt get it). I don't know what else to tell you.