Lillard+ Bucks 31 for....

Astaluego · Post #1 » by **Astaluego** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:49 am

I don't believe the Bucks or GA are going to part ways this offseason... not by their own will and not yet... before they do, they'll use every last round trying to avoid... the inevitable... That last round would be Lillard (assuming and praying he returns soon and fully healthy) + 31% RRP (projected, very valuable) + whatever salary/value they can attach...
What kind of trade do you think they could make that would give them the desire to try again?

jayjaysee · Post #2 » by **jayjaysee** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:53 pm

I like Miami trading for Dame still. And like New Orleans if they want to keep trying to win with Zion..

So then you just need to find the third team that has a player worth “Miami asset / expirings” + Milwaukee first .. that helps Milwaukee more than just keeping Dame and trading the 2031 first else where with other matching salary..

I’d definitely put top 5-6 protection on that 2031 first though.. at that point the protection would be able to roll over to 2032.

Post #3 » by **BBallFreak** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:39 pm

No, thanks for Miami. Our timeline has reset. Dame is great, but I'm deadset against paying a fortune for older players in cash or assets. We need an early to mid-career guy...

Post #4 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 5:20 pm

I like Dame on the Rockets

Godaddycurse · Post #5 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:22 pm

i like orlando. Dame for Suggs/KCP as the core framework

ReggiesKnicks · Post #6 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:33 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:i like orlando. Dame for Suggs/KCP as the core framework

Dame isn't returning a Suggs-caliber player (a Good Starter on a long-term deal and still in the first 3rd of their career timeline).

ReggiesKnicks · Post #7 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:42 pm

Here are the teams I like for a Lillard acquisition (Not all including the Bucks '31 1st)

Detroit Pistons - Harris + Ivey + Filler
Dallas Mavericks - Kyrie + Marshall or Gafford + 1st
Minnesota Timberwolves (3-Team for Randle) - Randle + Conley + DDV
New Orleans Pelicans- CJ + Herb + Filler
Toronto Raptors - Quickley + RJ

Astaluego · Post #8 » by **Astaluego** » Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:52 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Here are the teams I like for a Lillard acquisition (Not all including the Bucks '31 1st)

Detroit Pistons - Harris + Ivey + Filler
Dallas Mavericks - Kyrie + Marshall or Gafford + 1st
Minnesota Timberwolves (3-Team for Randle) - Randle + Conley + DDV
New Orleans Pelicans- CJ + Herb + Filler
Toronto Raptors - Quickley + RJ

I understand it would shorten Denver's window (something with Murray), but doesn't a Jokic/Dame combo look great? The Bucks get GA a younger co-star to convince him to stay... and the Kings? Monk/Lavine for Dame/Connaughton?

Buckfan76 · Post #9 » by **Buckfan76** » Sun Mar 30, 2025 9:23 pm

As a Bucks fan for Dame I would look to Orlando, or Houston or maybe Miami.

babyjax13 · Post #10 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:22 am

zimpy27 wrote:I like Dame on the Rockets

I don't think there is anything here if the idea is to contend. If it isn't, something like FVV + an asset or two, with FVV being routed to a third team and an additional asset to Milwaukee makes sense.

TBH, I don't think there is a single trade involving Dame outgoing that would improve the Bucks. Instead they should be thinking about Kuzma + that 2031 1st, or some other filler. I could imagine a few teams offering up a good, non all-star player for that package (with other assets and/or roleplayers added to balance). I'm thinking players like: Nic Claxton/Cam Johnson/Malik Monk/Jakob Poeltl, etc.

Kuzma + 2031 MIL 1st
for
Johnson + 2025 HOU 1st (27)

Brooklyn turns Johnson into a high-upside pick. Milwaukee turns Kuzma into a much better player and gets a late pick to help back-fill the roster.

Lopez
Giannis
Johnson
Jackson
Dame

AingesBurner · Post #11 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 1:22 pm

Sexton, Collins, and filler if Utah gets the #1 pick. I don’t hate Dame, Lauri, Kessler, and Flagg.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #12 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:24 pm

Lillard + Bucks 31 for Ja Morant

babyjax13 · Post #13 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:35 pm

AingesBurner wrote:Sexton, Collins, and filler if Utah gets the #1 pick. I don’t hate Dame, Lauri, Kessler, and Flagg.

That's horrible for Milwaukee, though.

Post #14 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:41 pm

Can Dame even pass a physical right now? I think talks of trading him are premature. This isn't an injury. His medical issue needs to resolve.

babyjax13 · Post #15 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:18 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Can Dame even pass a physical right now? I think talks of trading him are premature. This isn't an injury. His medical issue needs to resolve.

He's supposed to come back this season (whether that happens or not...) so if true, he probably wouls be able to.

Jody Smokz · Post #16 » by **Jody Smokz** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:20 pm

Why? The Rockets are built on defense and Dame can't stay healthy at this point. Investing in over the hill stars is a bad idea for a team that is thriving with young pieces.

zimpy27 wrote:I like Dame on the Rockets

ReggiesKnicks · Post #17 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 4:23 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:Why? The Rockets are built on defense and Dame can't stay healthy at this point. Investing in over the hill stars is a bad idea for a team that is thriving with young pieces.

zimpy27 wrote:I like Dame on the Rockets

Houston wouldn't need to invest much, that's the point.

Jody Smokz · Post #18 » by **Jody Smokz** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:36 pm

You're thinking about the asset cost what about the on floor cost? Dame can't defend a dead body or move his feet well. They already don't have great rim protection. You add Dame to the mix you have to change things up defensively that takes away what makes the current team pretty good. It ain't the end of world to get him I don't think Dame moves the needle at all at this juncture.

As a younger team on the come up they have to think about matching up with OKC and San Antonio. Why hamstring your young team to 55M and 58M to a 35, 36 year old that can't stay healthy? Dame doesn't even make a team a for sure contender at this point.

1) Amen and Jalen Green improving next year

2) Upgrading their lead guard to someone better than Green and/or FVV but younger than Dame if possible.

These are better scenarios than chasing an old Dame

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:Why? The Rockets are built on defense and Dame can't stay healthy at this point. Investing in over the hill stars is a bad idea for a team that is thriving with young pieces.

zimpy27 wrote:I like Dame on the Rockets

Houston wouldn't need to invest much, that's the point.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #19 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:34 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:You're thinking about the asset cost what about the on floor cost? Dame can't defend a dead body or move his feet well. They already don't have great rim protection. You add Dame to the mix you have to change things up defensively that takes away what makes the current team pretty good. It ain't the end of world to get him I don't think Dame moves the needle at all at this juncture.

As a younger team on the come up they have to think about matching up with OKC and San Antonio. Why hamstring your young team to 55M and 58M to a 35, 36 year old that can't stay healthy? Dame doesn't even make a team a for sure contender at this point.

1) Amen and Jalen Green improving next year

2) Upgrading their lead guard to someone better than Green and/or FVV but younger than Dame if possible.

These are better scenarios than chasing an old Dame

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:Why? The Rockets are built on defense and Dame can't stay healthy at this point. Investing in over the hill stars is a bad idea for a team that is thriving with young pieces.

Houston wouldn't need to invest much, that's the point.

On Floor cost?

Amen, Jabari, Eason, Tate and Brooks are all + to +++ defenders. We see in OKC they have been one of the best defensive teams in the NBA and they have been lacking true rim protection (Hartenstein isn't much better than Sengun in that regard and plays < 30 MPG as Chet has missed most of the season).

I think Dame clearly moves the needle for Houston. He gives them a go-to scorer and on-ball, High P&R creator, a wrinkle and angle they don't currently have. What you are going to see is Houston is far too limited offensively and they are going to struggle scoring the ball in the post-season aside from fast-break. Dame is still an elite P&R player and him/Amen running the P&R where Amen can catch and go to the rim or kick to the corner would be dynamic offensively.

Houston isn't far from being a contender, and their #1 need is an on-ball creator and go-to scorer in crunch time. Dame is still good enough to score the ball at a high level.

I never said this was the #1 player Houston should acquire. I do think Dame is a lot more realistic (and at a price) to acquire. Like you said, they need to upgrade Green/FVV but find someone younger than Dame. How many players actually fit this criteria and could be available? None? One? Who?

Post #20 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Apr 1, 2025 11:07 am

babyjax13 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:I like Dame on the Rockets

I don't think there is anything here if the idea is to contend. If it isn't, something like FVV + an asset or two, with FVV being routed to a third team and an additional asset to Milwaukee makes sense.

TBH, I don't think there is a single trade involving Dame outgoing that would improve the Bucks. Instead they should be thinking about Kuzma + that 2031 1st, or some other filler. I could imagine a few teams offering up a good, non all-star player for that package (with other assets and/or roleplayers added to balance). I'm thinking players like: Nic Claxton/Cam Johnson/Malik Monk/Jakob Poeltl, etc.

Kuzma + 2031 MIL 1st
for
Johnson + 2025 HOU 1st (27)

Brooklyn turns Johnson into a high-upside pick. Milwaukee turns Kuzma into a much better player and gets a late pick to help back-fill the roster.

Lopez
Giannis
Johnson
Jackson
Dame

Well it would be Dame+Kuzma for FVV+Green