PG: Passing The Bucks

[Jalen Bluntson]

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Thibs isn’t going anywhere unless we completely **** the bed in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s not likely but still possible especially if we face the Cavs Celtics or even the pistons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Realgm: Thibs didnt do anything these players were already great

Jalen: Thibs helped me become an allstar

Realgm: NO HE DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok I’m just going to be honest here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this roster good enough to win a championship???!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s Tbt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t think so but there’s a chance this can be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But what I and everybody else knows for a fact is that thibs is not and will never be a championship head coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as long as he’s the hc you can put in stone that the New York Knicks will never win a championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that’s just the cold hard truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The roster needs a better bench. Thibs needs to use that bench. It is our biggest weakness vs those top teams. We lost to CLE/OKC two games we just ran out of gas in. Boston has completely outclassed us and embarrassed us each and every game.

There is a solid core here. We need to tweak it somehow to get to the next level. Cinderella fairy tales aside. We are not beating Boston without an extreme amount of luck. No matter who the coach is.

[HarthorneWingo]

Realgm: Thibs didnt do anything these players were already great

Jalen: Thibs helped me become an allstar

Realgm: NO HE DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok I’m just going to be honest here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this roster good enough to win a championship???!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s Tbt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t think so but there’s a chance this can be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But what I and everybody else knows for a fact is that thibs is not and will never be a championship head coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as long as he’s the hc you can put in stone that the New York Knicks will never win a championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that’s just the cold hard truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The roster needs a better bench. Thibs needs to use that bench. It is our biggest weakness vs those top teams. We lost to CLE/OKC two games we just ran out of gas in. Boston has completely outclassed us and embarrassed us each and every game.

There is a solid core here. We need to tweak it somehow to get to the next level. Cinderella fairy tales aside. We are not beating Boston without an extreme amount of luck. No matter who the coach is.

We’re still missing our top scorer off the bench, Deuce and our backup PG in Payne.

Delon and Shamet played well yesterday.

Bench (when team is fully healthy):

Mitch
Deuce
Payne
Shamet
Delon
Precious

That’s not horrible.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Ok I’m just going to be honest here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this roster good enough to win a championship???!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s Tbt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t think so but there’s a chance this can be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But what I and everybody else knows for a fact is that thibs is not and will never be a championship head coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as long as he’s the hc you can put in stone that the New York Knicks will never win a championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that’s just the cold hard truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The roster needs a better bench. Thibs needs to use that bench. It is our biggest weakness vs those top teams. We lost to CLE/OKC two games we just ran out of gas in. Boston has completely outclassed us and embarrassed us each and every game.

There is a solid core here. We need to tweak it somehow to get to the next level. Cinderella fairy tales aside. We are not beating Boston without an extreme amount of luck. No matter who the coach is.

We’re still missing our top scorer off the bench, Deuce and our backup PG in Payne.

Delon and Shamet played well yesterday.

Bench (when team is fully healthy):

Mitch
Deuce
Payne
Shamet
Delon
Precious

That’s not horrible.

Well, I don't disagree that it isn't a horrible bench. I just know that we need far more production from our bench than we have been getting. For whatever reasons that is. It needs to improve.

[8516knicks]

The roster needs a better bench. Thibs needs to use that bench. It is our biggest weakness vs those top teams. We lost to CLE/OKC two games we just ran out of gas in. Boston has completely outclassed us and embarrassed us each and every game.

There is a solid core here. We need to tweak it somehow to get to the next level. Cinderella fairy tales aside. We are not beating Boston without an extreme amount of luck. No matter who the coach is.

We’re still missing our top scorer off the bench, Deuce and our backup PG in Payne.

Delon and Shamet played well yesterday.

Bench (when team is fully healthy):

Mitch
Deuce
Payne
Shamet
Delon
Precious

That’s not horrible.

Well, I don't disagree that it isn't a horrible bench. I just know that we need far more production from our bench than we have been getting. For whatever reasons that is. It needs to improve.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Thibs has EVER played his bench significantly compared to this season (at any of his previous coaching gigs)?

[Jalen Bluntson]

We’re still missing our top scorer off the bench, Deuce and our backup PG in Payne.

Delon and Shamet played well yesterday.

Bench (when team is fully healthy):

Mitch
Deuce
Payne
Shamet
Delon
Precious

That’s not horrible.

Well, I don't disagree that it isn't a horrible bench. I just know that we need far more production from our bench than we have been getting. For whatever reasons that is. It needs to improve.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Thibs has EVER played his bench significantly compared to this season (at any of his previous coaching gigs)?

Rumor has it...no What I do recall is this is the least any bench has been used in like two decades. Injuries would be the excuse. Not playing anyone else would be another reason to look at for the problem within. 29 assists to one turnover and a positive presence in his minutes played was just sitting on the bench all year. Maybe we could have used him a little bit more. Call me crazy and say I am over rating our youth I suppose. That would be the next course of action around here.

Whatever the reason is, I can't wrap my head around it because I do bong hits in my mother's basement and Thibs is a paid professional. I'll just chalk it up to coincidence I guess. It can't be that he has always been this way. Never.

[thebuzzardman]

https://youtu.be/HgvyvNLlrVM?t=123

listen to this guy. they just pick on brunson and kat. they search for them and they exploit them. accept it or not. it is what it is.

Now we're listening to Colon Cowturd? Yeah, no.

[thebuzzardman]

While Mazzula may be better how do we really know when this is the only team he's ever coached? He was given a 50 win team with a 24year old mvp. This could be like Nurse where he was given a ecf team and Kawhi and people thought he was elite when every scheme he came up with would work when you have elite players.

Mazzula is a pragmatist. His decision-making is analytically and statistically driven rather than ideological, and he implements his thinking in a strong way. He's also thoughtful and open-minded, and seeks insight from other fields to inform his coaching. We shall see how his coaching career pans out, but he has succeeded in taking the Celtics to the next level.

Any coach needs elite talent to succeed. But I don't think it's accurate to say coaching doesn't make a difference.

Some middling coaches have won championships off the back of elite basketball talent. I don't think Frank Vogel or Mike Budenholzer were anything special, for instance. Some elite coaches (at least for their time) never won a championship. Context matters for coaches as much as it does for players. But we can still assess these coaches based on how their teams play relative to their talent level.

I don't think it's reasonable to say that Thibs is a "bad" coach. Some people here pretend he is and repeat it ad nauseam but frankly people think and say a lot of things - you're not going to change the mind of someone who needs a scapegoat to remain hopeful about the future.

But it's fair to point out that Thibs has core philosophical tenets that he struggles to deviate from. He's not the most agile or adaptable coach. He's not as pragmatic as Mazzula and a few other coaches are showing to be. When he's given a roster that fits his philosophy, like last year's Knicks, he can extract the most of it and do a masterful job. When he inherits a roster that doesn't, like this year's Knicks, he does appear to hold the team back a bit.

Thibs sucks is just the bottom line hyperbole. Most of us that don't like him realize he can raise the floor of a team and be a culture setting type coach. We just question his ability to win it all. The reasons have been discussed to death but, not everyone thinks he's as bad as the hyperbole gets. At least I would hope not.

Thank you. Lots of us don't have time for Chanel Bomber ebooks, especially where the short, sweet, succinct phrase of "Thibs sucks" encapsulates it all.

[HEZI]

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Thibs isn’t going anywhere unless we completely **** the bed in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s not likely but still possible especially if we face the Cavs Celtics or even the pistons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMO the only way Thibs helped Jalen become an all-star is by giving him the green light to run down the clock on most possessions and either drive to the hole or take the shot himself. Everything else that went into Jalen becoming an all-star is his own talent and work ethic. That's not a knock on Brunson, but a dig at Thibs and the way he rides his star players talent over actually running plays to get other teammates involved. His coaching has very little with what makes Jalen a great player.

That’s literally every coach in the league. Every coach is catering to their star players strengths. The one coach who was not just got fired because his star player wasn’t happy with his lack of involvement in the offense.

We also do run plays for others, that’s why you see OG thriving now that there are more shots available with Brunsons absence. We’ve even seen Mikal being put in position to have a bunch of opportunities to thrive, he’s just an inconsistent player. But it shows they Thibs is very capable of maximizing a players talent. Brunson is heavily reliant on isos so if you have issues with that then you have more of an issue with Brunson than Thibs but yes Thibs is responsible for turning Brunson into an All Star because he caters to his strengths as a player which every coach does. If you don’t you won’t last too long as the coach.

[Capn'O]

Also, I hate that past post can be brought up. I know Ive said some heinous sht about melo in the past which I truly regret and also prolly hyped some terrible players and one of you horrible people can bring that up when I'm talkin a lil sht and it's supposed to invalidated a great point I've made. Rude and unfair and dirty tactics. Accountability and consistency has no place in sports arguments.

I'm talking about the melo not meLo

Which shouldn't need clarification cause everything I've said about meLo is true and I do NOT regret. If anything I've been too easy on him.

Ah, that makes more sense.

[Capn'O]

There are discussions going on here that should be in fight thread.

Time to put that badge back on, partner

Nah. My statements can just be eerie harbingers.

[cgmw]

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Thibs isn’t going anywhere unless we completely **** the bed in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s not likely but still possible especially if we face the Cavs Celtics or even the pistons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMO the only way Thibs helped Jalen become an all-star is by giving him the green light to run down the clock on most possessions and either drive to the hole or take the shot himself. Everything else that went into Jalen becoming an all-star is his own talent and work ethic. That's not a knock on Brunson, but a dig at Thibs and the way he rides his star players talent over actually running plays to get other teammates involved. His coaching has very little with what makes Jalen a great player.

That’s literally every coach in the league. Every coach is catering to their star players strengths. The one coach who was not just got fired because his star player wasn’t happy with his lack of involvement in the offense.

We also do run plays for others, that’s why you see OG thriving now that there are more shots available with Brunsons absence. We’ve even seen Mikal being put in position to have a bunch of opportunities to thrive, he’s just an inconsistent player. But it shows they Thibs is very capable of maximizing a players talent. Brunson is heavily reliant on isos so if you have issues with that then you have more of an issue with Brunson than Thibs but yes Thibs is responsible for turning Brunson into an All Star because he caters to his strengths as a player which every coach does. If you don’t you won’t last too long as the coach.

Thibs and Jalen were a good fit from the jump, but let's not pretend that Thibs didn't give the exact same iso-greenlight to Elf Payton and Alec Burks. It's literally his one and only offense. Jalen was a good fit because Thibs can do iso dribble-drive and ONLY iso dribble-drive offenses.

[Capn'O]

IMO the only way Thibs helped Jalen become an all-star is by giving him the green light to run down the clock on most possessions and either drive to the hole or take the shot himself. Everything else that went into Jalen becoming an all-star is his own talent and work ethic. That's not a knock on Brunson, but a dig at Thibs and the way he rides his star players talent over actually running plays to get other teammates involved. His coaching has very little with what makes Jalen a great player.

That’s literally every coach in the league. Every coach is catering to their star players strengths. The one coach who was not just got fired because his star player wasn’t happy with his lack of involvement in the offense.

We also do run plays for others, that’s why you see OG thriving now that there are more shots available with Brunsons absence. We’ve even seen Mikal being put in position to have a bunch of opportunities to thrive, he’s just an inconsistent player. But it shows they Thibs is very capable of maximizing a players talent. Brunson is heavily reliant on isos so if you have issues with that then you have more of an issue with Brunson than Thibs but yes Thibs is responsible for turning Brunson into an All Star because he caters to his strengths as a player which every coach does. If you don’t you won’t last too long as the coach.

Thibs and Jalen were a good fit from the jump, but let's not pretend that Thibs didn't give the exact same iso-greenlight to Elf Payton and Alec Burks. It's literally his one and only offense. Jalen was a good fit because Thibs can do iso dribble-drive and ONLY iso dribble-drive offenses.

Something I've been wondering is if Brunson has been a little selfish by design. We saw him dish 17 assists earlier this season. I think he could and would be willing to play in a less iso heavy offense where he just takes over sometimes.

[Enzo954]

IMO the only way Thibs helped Jalen become an all-star is by giving him the green light to run down the clock on most possessions and either drive to the hole or take the shot himself. Everything else that went into Jalen becoming an all-star is his own talent and work ethic. That's not a knock on Brunson, but a dig at Thibs and the way he rides his star players talent over actually running plays to get other teammates involved. His coaching has very little with what makes Jalen a great player.

That’s literally every coach in the league. Every coach is catering to their star players strengths. The one coach who was not just got fired because his star player wasn’t happy with his lack of involvement in the offense.

We also do run plays for others, that’s why you see OG thriving now that there are more shots available with Brunsons absence. We’ve even seen Mikal being put in position to have a bunch of opportunities to thrive, he’s just an inconsistent player. But it shows they Thibs is very capable of maximizing a players talent. Brunson is heavily reliant on isos so if you have issues with that then you have more of an issue with Brunson than Thibs but yes Thibs is responsible for turning Brunson into an All Star because he caters to his strengths as a player which every coach does. If you don’t you won’t last too long as the coach.

Thibs and Jalen were a good fit from the jump, but let's not pretend that Thibs didn't give the exact same iso-greenlight to Elf Payton and Alec Burks. It's literally his one and only offense. Jalen was a good fit because Thibs can do iso dribble-drive and ONLY iso dribble-drive offenses.

Don't leave out Julius. How often did Thibs allow him to just run down the clock only to take the shot himself? It drove me nuts sometimes.

[Jalen Bluntson]

That’s literally every coach in the league. Every coach is catering to their star players strengths. The one coach who was not just got fired because his star player wasn’t happy with his lack of involvement in the offense.

We also do run plays for others, that’s why you see OG thriving now that there are more shots available with Brunsons absence. We’ve even seen Mikal being put in position to have a bunch of opportunities to thrive, he’s just an inconsistent player. But it shows they Thibs is very capable of maximizing a players talent. Brunson is heavily reliant on isos so if you have issues with that then you have more of an issue with Brunson than Thibs but yes Thibs is responsible for turning Brunson into an All Star because he caters to his strengths as a player which every coach does. If you don’t you won’t last too long as the coach.

Thibs and Jalen were a good fit from the jump, but let's not pretend that Thibs didn't give the exact same iso-greenlight to Elf Payton and Alec Burks. It's literally his one and only offense. Jalen was a good fit because Thibs can do iso dribble-drive and ONLY iso dribble-drive offenses.

Something I've been wondering is if Brunson has been a little selfish by design. We saw him dish 17 assists earlier this season. I think he could and would be willing to play in a less iso heavy offense where he just takes over sometimes.

Jalen can do whatever we need him to. Thibs wants him doing what he does. He was 7th in scoring and 8th in assists in the entire league so, seems like he found a decent balance.

[Clyde_Style]

There are discussions going on here that should be in fight thread.

Time to put that badge back on, partner

Nah. My statements can just be eerie harbingers.

You just triggered my vocabulary satisfaction detector with the phrase "eerie harbingers"

[Clyde_Style]

That’s literally every coach in the league. Every coach is catering to their star players strengths. The one coach who was not just got fired because his star player wasn’t happy with his lack of involvement in the offense.

We also do run plays for others, that’s why you see OG thriving now that there are more shots available with Brunsons absence. We’ve even seen Mikal being put in position to have a bunch of opportunities to thrive, he’s just an inconsistent player. But it shows they Thibs is very capable of maximizing a players talent. Brunson is heavily reliant on isos so if you have issues with that then you have more of an issue with Brunson than Thibs but yes Thibs is responsible for turning Brunson into an All Star because he caters to his strengths as a player which every coach does. If you don’t you won’t last too long as the coach.

Thibs and Jalen were a good fit from the jump, but let's not pretend that Thibs didn't give the exact same iso-greenlight to Elf Payton and Alec Burks. It's literally his one and only offense. Jalen was a good fit because Thibs can do iso dribble-drive and ONLY iso dribble-drive offenses.

Something I've been wondering is if Brunson has been a little selfish by design. We saw him dish 17 assists earlier this season. I think he could and would be willing to play in a less iso heavy offense where he just takes over sometimes.

It was something I said at the beginning of the season that applies even more so today.

Brunson and KAT need to work it out themselves and develop that PnR synchronicity, because Thibs does not push it whatsoever.

There is no reason they can't or shouldn't take those matters into their own hands, because it would lead to greater success and that is not something Thibs is going to have a problem with anyway considering he's just handing them the ball to do their thing.

[Adelheid]

jalen brunson as a starter would deffo be an allstar under thibs...thats because thibs just allows the lead handler to do anything as he pleases (and that includes calling own number and statpadding). Not saying jalen dips on those territories, as he truly is great and efficient on most game days and really deserve those allstar nods, no cap. I'm just implying that anyone - with Thibs' greenlight, can become an all star.

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Thibs isn’t going anywhere unless we completely **** the bed in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s not likely but still possible especially if we face the Cavs Celtics or even the pistons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Realgm: Thibs didnt do anything these players were already great

Jalen: Thibs helped me become an allstar

Realgm: NO HE DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My dad was the best. He let me get drunk when I was only 10 years old. He's the reason I'm the alcoholic I am today.

[Jalen Bluntson]

jalen brunson as a starter would deffo be an allstar under thibs...thats because thibs just allows the lead handler to do anything as he pleases (and that includes calling own number and statpadding). Not saying jalen dips on those territories, as he truly is great and efficient on most game days and really deserve those allstar nods, no cap. I'm just implying that anyone - with Thibs' greenlight, can become an all star.

Julius agrees.

[HEZI]

IMO the only way Thibs helped Jalen become an all-star is by giving him the green light to run down the clock on most possessions and either drive to the hole or take the shot himself. Everything else that went into Jalen becoming an all-star is his own talent and work ethic. That's not a knock on Brunson, but a dig at Thibs and the way he rides his star players talent over actually running plays to get other teammates involved. His coaching has very little with what makes Jalen a great player.

That’s literally every coach in the league. Every coach is catering to their star players strengths. The one coach who was not just got fired because his star player wasn’t happy with his lack of involvement in the offense.

We also do run plays for others, that’s why you see OG thriving now that there are more shots available with Brunsons absence. We’ve even seen Mikal being put in position to have a bunch of opportunities to thrive, he’s just an inconsistent player. But it shows they Thibs is very capable of maximizing a players talent. Brunson is heavily reliant on isos so if you have issues with that then you have more of an issue with Brunson than Thibs but yes Thibs is responsible for turning Brunson into an All Star because he caters to his strengths as a player which every coach does. If you don’t you won’t last too long as the coach.

Thibs and Jalen were a good fit from the jump, but let's not pretend that Thibs didn't give the exact same iso-greenlight to Elf Payton and Alec Burks. It's literally his one and only offense. Jalen was a good fit because Thibs can do iso dribble-drive and ONLY iso dribble-drive offenses.

He encourages an attack offense and likes his point guard to attack the basket but he doesn’t limit his guards from shooting if they are capable. How is this a bad thing? Other coaches are either doing the same thing or just giving a green light to a chuck and duck offense. The entire league has been simplified this way where it’s just iso or pick and roll/pop. That’s todays NBA