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[ShootingtheJ]

How much do we think Dame’s blood clot impacts his trade value?
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Almost none. That's not a reoccurring injury.

[BroncoBuck]

The Grizzlies did not attach a first to Smart, and again, you're starting with absolutely no explanation from the assumption that you must trade Khris. It's totally unnecessary. You don't have to attach anything to Khris because there is no compelling reason to trade him.

'Have to adapt to the new CBA', sure, but carefully. You think that teams aren't going to make wild unforced errors over-steering in that adaptation, just as they've done every time there's ever been a change, or just when they perceived they're in a bind? The well-managed teams will use panic to their advantage; the poorly managed teams will panic. That's one thing that will never change.

The Grizzlies traded this year’s first to Washington to dump Marcus Smart. It’s lottery protected, but they aren’t a lottery team so it’s obviously conveying.

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The Bucks not trading Khris would’ve been punting on 2 years of prime Giannis. Khris is done. He can’t play basketball anymore. His body is cooked. He’s in the same boat Gordon Hayward was a few years ago. He can’t stay on the court, and he can’t play defense.

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Kuzma is a negative, plus we gave up other assets, so trading Khris didn't help anything

What other asset did we give up? The swap in the deal is the swap of a swap. The Bucks didn’t own their own pick already because of the Dame trade. AJJ was the only asset in the trade.

[raferfenix]

How much do we think Dame’s blood clot impacts his trade value?

Almost none. That's not a reoccurring injury.

Well if that’s the case, brightsiding it:

Dame failing to step up in the playoffs to Dame Time levels would be way worse for his valuation.

[paulpressey25]

Wiz fans learning there is no 90-day return policy.

https://wizofawes.com/latest-khris-middleton-injury-dooms-washingtonwizards-dream-offseason-plan

Was it a good or bad deal? We won’t know for another year.

Kuzma’s value to us took a big hit with Dame going down.

[ShootingtheJ]

Wiz fans learning there is no 90-day return policy.

https://wizofawes.com/latest-khris-middleton-injury-dooms-washingtonwizards-dream-offseason-plan

Was it a good or bad deal? We won’t know for another year.

Kuzma’s value to us took a big hit with Dame going down.

It's unaffected by Dame. Kuzma stands on his own. His inability to make shots is entirely on him. If he continues to play at his present level, the worst full time player in the NBA, then this is a horrific deal.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Grizzlies traded this year’s first to Washington to dump Marcus Smart. It’s lottery protected, but they aren’t a lottery team so it’s obviously conveying.

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The Bucks not trading Khris would’ve been punting on 2 years of prime Giannis. Khris is done. He can’t play basketball anymore. His body is cooked. He’s in the same boat Gordon Hayward was a few years ago. He can’t stay on the court, and he can’t play defense.

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Kuzma is a negative, plus we gave up other assets, so trading Khris didn't help anything

What other asset did we give up? The swap in the deal is the swap of a swap. The Bucks didn’t own their own pick already because of the Dame trade. AJJ was the only asset in the trade.

So that's 2 assets. AJ Johnson wasnt worth much, but something. Middleton' s contact expires before Kuzma, and that's a positive.

[BroncoBuck]

Kuzma is a negative, plus we gave up other assets, so trading Khris didn't help anything

What other asset did we give up? The swap in the deal is the swap of a swap. The Bucks didn’t own their own pick already because of the Dame trade. AJJ was the only asset in the trade.

So that's 2 assets. AJ Johnson wasnt worth much, but something. Middleton' s contact expires before Kuzma, and that's a positive.

The pick swap in question lol.

Less favorable of (i) less favorable of MIL and POR 1-14 if POR has not conveyed 1st round pick to CHI by 2027, and (ii) more favorable of (a) WAS and (b) least / less favorable of BRK, PHL 9-30 if PHL does not convey 1st round pick to BRK in 2027 and if PHL has conveyed 1st round pick to OKC by 2026, and PHX then other to WAS; or Less favorable of (i) less favorable of MIL and POR if POR has conveyed 1st round pick to CHI by 2027, and (ii) more favorable of (a) WAS and (b) least / less favorable of BRK, PHL 9-30 if PHL does not convey 1st round pick to BRK in 2027 and if PHL has conveyed 1st round pick to OKC by 2026, and PHX then other to WAS (via POR swap for MIL; via BRK swap of BRK or PHL for PHX; via WAS swap for PHX, BRK or PHL; via WAS swap of WAS, BRK, PHL or PHX for MIL or POR)

You can not like Kuzma, but you have to understand Khris is done. He was a massive dead weight and the entire league knew it. I’m not sticking up for Kuzma the player. He’s an overpaid role player, but he actually plays basketball and his contract is declining and is significantly less than Khris’.

The Wizards are eating 2 years 65 million dollars of a guy who doesn’t play basketball.

[ShootingtheJ]

What other asset did we give up? The swap in the deal is the swap of a swap. The Bucks didn’t own their own pick already because of the Dame trade. AJJ was the only asset in the trade.

So that's 2 assets. AJ Johnson wasnt worth much, but something. Middleton' s contact expires before Kuzma, and that's a positive.

The pick swap in question lol.

Less favorable of (i) less favorable of MIL and POR 1-14 if POR has not conveyed 1st round pick to CHI by 2027, and (ii) more favorable of (a) WAS and (b) least / less favorable of BRK, PHL 9-30 if PHL does not convey 1st round pick to BRK in 2027 and if PHL has conveyed 1st round pick to OKC by 2026, and PHX then other to WAS; or Less favorable of (i) less favorable of MIL and POR if POR has conveyed 1st round pick to CHI by 2027, and (ii) more favorable of (a) WAS and (b) least / less favorable of BRK, PHL 9-30 if PHL does not convey 1st round pick to BRK in 2027 and if PHL has conveyed 1st round pick to OKC by 2026, and PHX then other to WAS (via POR swap for MIL; via BRK swap of BRK or PHL for PHX; via WAS swap for PHX, BRK or PHL; via WAS swap of WAS, BRK, PHL or PHX for MIL or POR)

You can not like Kuzma, but you have to understand Khris is done. He was a massive dead weight and the entire league knew it. I’m not sticking up for Kuzma the player. He’s an overpaid role player, but he actually plays basketball and his contract is declining and is significantly less than Khris’.

The Wizards are eating 2 years 65 million dollars of a guy who doesn’t play basketball.

When Khris plays, he helps his team. Kuzma has more money left on his contract than Middleton, and he only hurts his teams.

Yes, the swap isn't a big deal, but we could have offered it to a different team in a better deal, and now we can't.

[theFireBlanket]

Modern sports medicine, Khris ain't done. Look at KD. This season looks lost as is, would rather have Midd rehabbing & AJJ than this sh--.

[Packbuckman]

Trading AJ Johnson was a very short sighted move to get kuzma if it was a better player I could have accepted it better. But to trade your just turned 20 yr old before his rookie season is even done is just plain stupid!

[pifhluk23]

How much do we think Dame’s blood clot impacts his trade value?
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I think the CBA has much more impact on his trade value. No one is paying 50+M for a guy that's not top 20 in the league, that might even be top 10 now. I think he's actually turned into a negative asset. How many teams are fringe and want to take a shot but massively overpay a guy? KD is the better option in that scenario as well so he takes 1 of those hypothetical teams off the table.

[jute2003]

Kuzma as a 3rd or 4th option on offense is very different than kuzma as a 2nd or 3rd option. Defensively, with the switchability, athleticism, and energy, he's still a good addition. The team having to rely on him offensively is a problem.

With khris being a very part time and very expensive player at this point, trading him for kuzma doesn't bother me. The money part matters and the fit with Dame and giannis seem good in theory.

Adding AJ is a bummer though. I liked the idea of him at least. He was the only high ceiling prospect on the team. Dame going down like that amplifies the suck of lossing AJ and kills that small chance of things gelling.

[Ayt]

How much do we think Dame’s blood clot impacts his trade value?

Do we actually think the Bucks fire Doc? I fear him being promoted to POBO is far more likely, and suspect he’s had a strong hand in player personnel decisions already.

Horst I have a hard time seeing staying either way. His contract is just about up and based on Detroit last year he probably wishes he got let out earlier.

Barring a Giannis trade (which certainly could happen) these seem like the biggest variables for the Bucks having a real shakeup.

If he doesn't come back for the playoffs, his trade value is essentially zilch.

[ShootingtheJ]

Kuzma as a 3rd or 4th option on offense is very different than kuzma as a 2nd or 3rd option. Defensively, with the switchability, athleticism, and energy, he's still a good addition. The team having to rely on him offensively is a problem.

With khris being a very part time and very expensive player at this point, trading him for kuzma doesn't bother me. The money part matters and the fit with Dame and giannis seem good in theory.

Adding AJ is a bummer though. I liked the idea of him at least. He was the only high ceiling prospect on the team. Dame going down like that amplifies the suck of lossing AJ and kills that small chance of things gelling.

The problem with Kuzma is he considers himself the #1 option on offense, and is constantly getting up shots, shots he doesn't make. He kills spacing because teams know her can't shoot. He's a massive negative.

[ShootingtheJ]

Trading AJ Johnson was a very short sighted move to get kuzma if it was a better player I could have accepted it better. But to trade your just turned 20 yr old before his rookie season is even done is just plain stupid!

Yes, trading Johnson for a good player could have been worth it, but not for the worst full time player in the league.

[German Athens]

How much do we think Dame’s blood clot impacts his trade value?

Do we actually think the Bucks fire Doc? I fear him being promoted to POBO is far more likely, and suspect he’s had a strong hand in player personnel decisions already.

Horst I have a hard time seeing staying either way. His contract is just about up and based on Detroit last year he probably wishes he got let out earlier.

Barring a Giannis trade (which certainly could happen) these seem like the biggest variables for the Bucks having a real shakeup.

If he doesn't come back for the playoffs, his trade value is essentially zilch.

Why?

It’s a blood clot that is unlikely to happen again.

It’s not a sports related injury where performance would be expected to drop off.

The only case I can see is fans tend to evaluate the league, and its hierarchy, based off playoff performance. If players don’t play, people can kind of forget about them, ie Giannis, but I don’t think any GM would have forgotten that Dame put up an efficient 25 and 7 this year.

[fan230]

Wiz fans learning there is no 90-day return policy.

https://wizofawes.com/latest-khris-middleton-injury-dooms-washingtonwizards-dream-offseason-plan

Was it a good or bad deal? We won’t know for another year.

Kuzma’s value to us took a big hit with Dame going down.

It's unaffected by Dame. Kuzma stands on his own. His inability to make shots is entirely on him. If he continues to play at his present level, the worst full time player in the NBA, then this is a horrific deal.

So far, Kuzma looks like a very bad deal for the Bucks.

[ReddoverKobe]

Wiz fans learning there is no 90-day return policy.

https://wizofawes.com/latest-khris-middleton-injury-dooms-washingtonwizards-dream-offseason-plan

Was it a good or bad deal? We won’t know for another year.

Kuzma’s value to us took a big hit with Dame going down.

It's unaffected by Dame. Kuzma stands on his own. His inability to make shots is entirely on him. If he continues to play at his present level, the worst full time player in the NBA, then this is a horrific deal.

So far, Kuzma looks like a very bad deal for the Bucks.

I doubt there was another deal. I mean MIdds is already hurt again.

[ShootingtheJ]

How much do we think Dame’s blood clot impacts his trade value?

Do we actually think the Bucks fire Doc? I fear him being promoted to POBO is far more likely, and suspect he’s had a strong hand in player personnel decisions already.

Horst I have a hard time seeing staying either way. His contract is just about up and based on Detroit last year he probably wishes he got let out earlier.

Barring a Giannis trade (which certainly could happen) these seem like the biggest variables for the Bucks having a real shakeup.

If he doesn't come back for the playoffs, his trade value is essentially zilch.

Why?

It’s a blood clot that is unlikely to happen again.

It’s not a sports related injury where performance would be expected to drop off.

The only case I can see is fans tend to evaluate the league, and its hierarchy, based off playoff performance. If players don’t play, people can kind of forget about them, ie Giannis, but I don’t think any GM would have forgotten that Dame put up an efficient 25 and 7 this year.

Agree, and there's always a sucker. I'm looking at Sacramento.

[paulpressey25]

If he doesn't come back for the playoffs, his trade value is essentially zilch.

Correct. When you look at the hierarchy of Bucks problems, this is #1. Everything else is a distant second.

Don’t think anyone will deal for him until he shows he can play a couple months straight on the court with no issues.

Can he come back? Sure. Having this in the calf seems a bit more solvable than what Bosh or Wemby had. But there also is a scenario where he retires. We could be back to the 2009 Michael Redd discussions of what the CBA says about retired-medical exception contracts. And then what is covered by the league’s insurance policies. Paging GAD.