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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1221 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Mar 30, 2025 3:58 pm

prime1time wrote:Also, who had the Grizzlies imploding down the stretch. What great luck!


A couple of fun details with that implosion:

Memphis is 9-14 since the trade (and 4 of the 9 wins came in one giant clump between March 7th and March 12th which involved 2 tanking teams (New Orleans and Utah, and 2 imploding teams from mismanagement (Dallas and Phoenix). Indeed, none of their wins since February 6th (the trade) are against any of the top 10-12 teams in the league, and with the remaining schedule of 8 games, only three are against a non-contender (Miami, Dallas, and ubertanking Charlotte), the other 5 are against playoff teams (Boston, Golden State, Minnesota, Detroit and Denver). So its probably reasonable to imagine that they will finish this post trade stretch run somewhere between 11-20 and at best, probably 14-17. I would suspect after the seasons done, post trade, they probably end up going 12-19 or 13-18. And a pick that looked a lock to be 26-27, is going to be more likely 18th to 24th, not too bad. Golden State, the Clippers, the Lakers, and Minnesota are all battling it out for Western Conference slotting, and only 2 wins separate those four teams and Memphis, and all four of those teams have 1-2 more games left to play with than Memphis. Definitely seems like we are going to climb quite a few slots from where we looked to pick two months ago, especially when you add that other than the Lakers, the other four squads have plenty of chaff in their schedule down the stretch. 23 is beginning to feel like a lock in terms of the worst the pick could be, with some chance that it could be even better :).

Pretty Crazy, Memphis was playing at about a .700 clip before the trade (35-16), and has been .391 since. WOW.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1222 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Mar 30, 2025 3:59 pm

gambitx777 wrote:If we some how get bumped to 5 and Johnson is gone? Do we have the balls to take queen at 5 or do some how trade back?

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We can now get bumped to 6. At 5 and 6 I'm looking at whomever is left between Bailey, Edgecombe, Maluach and Tre Johnson (for now anyway). That clearly looks like the best tier after Flagg and Harper are gone.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1223 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:04 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:If we some how get bumped to 5 and Johnson is gone? Do we have the balls to take queen at 5 or do some how trade back?

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There is no chance this team drafts Queen anywhere in the top 6. He is not their style of player. These guys don't draft anyone that they can't envision as a reliable defender. They also have zero homer allegiance to the University of Maryland.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1224 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:05 pm

prime1time wrote:
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gambitx777 wrote:If we some how get bumped to 5 and Johnson is gone? Do we have the balls to take queen at 5 or do some how trade back?

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There is no chance this team drafts Queen anywhere in the top 6. He is not their style of player. These guys don't draft anyone that they can't envision as a reliable defender. They also have zero homer allegiance to the University of Maryland.

What's our style of player?
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1225 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:08 pm

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prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:There is no chance this team drafts Queen anywhere in the top 6. He is not their style of player. These guys don't draft anyone that they can't envision as a reliable defender. They also have zero homer allegiance to the University of Maryland.

What's our style of player?

Long for their position, average or better athleticism, and a good work ethic. They want sound defenders and they're less concerned with polished offensive skills, figuring that can teach that over time. It's the OKC formula.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1226 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:10 pm

payitforward wrote:How about this as a possible range of results:

R1:
Cooper Flagg or Dylan Harper
Thomas Sorber or Nique Clifford

R2:
Adou Thiero or Tyrese Proctor
Rocco Zikarsky

Not bad sez I....


No way on CIfford, 23 years old, in round one.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1227 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:14 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:What's our style of player?

Long for their position, average or better athleticism, and a good work ethic. They want sound defenders and they're less concerned with polished offensive skills, figuring that can teach that over time. It's the OKC formula.
How would you describe Hartenstein?

Hartenstein is one of the best defensive bigs in the game. Last year, he was 5th in DRtg and 3rd in DBPM. This year, he is 1st in DRtg and 8th in DBPM.
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Post#1228 » by payitforward » Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:23 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
payitforward wrote:How about this as a possible range of results:

R1:
Cooper Flagg or Dylan Harper
Thomas Sorber or Nique Clifford

R2:
Adou Thiero or Tyrese Proctor
Rocco Zikarsky

Not bad sez I....

No way on CIfford, 23 years old, in round one.

I agree w/ the overall rule, but I think Nique is a late developer with performance this year that's hard to pass on. OTOH, Broome & Sorber are also very appealing at that spot.
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Post#1229 » by doclinkin » Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:44 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:What's our style of player?

Long for their position, average or better athleticism, and a good work ethic. They want sound defenders and they're less concerned with polished offensive skills, figuring that can teach that over time. It's the OKC formula.
How would you describe Hartenstein?


I can see DQ fitting nicely next to Wemby. They'd need shooters to space things out a little, but oof, that would be a monster to handle. DQ can belly up to the burly types and free Wemby to be a roaming mistake eraser. Both can play face-up from outside (DQ as ballhandler, Wemby as sniper tower) which frees Castle inside to attack the rim and collect And1's. The vulnerability of the unicorn types is their spindly frames. Helps if you have a guy who can absorb some of the bruising. There they have all the rim protection they need, and Castle is a thug on defense as well. DQ can feel free to be a ballmover and a people mover on offense when opponents are forced to chase Wemby out at the line.

I still want him to dedicate himself on outside shooting skills and footspeed/conditioning on defense.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1230 » by prime1time » Sun Mar 30, 2025 4:55 pm

nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:There is no chance this team drafts Queen anywhere in the top 6. He is not their style of player. These guys don't draft anyone that they can't envision as a reliable defender. They also have zero homer allegiance to the University of Maryland.

What's our style of player?

Long for their position, average or better athleticism, and a good work ethic. They want sound defenders and they're less concerned with polished offensive skills, figuring that can teach that over time. It's the OKC formula.

OKC formula requires an elite 3 level scorer. Who is ours?
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1231 » by DCZards » Sun Mar 30, 2025 5:12 pm

prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:What's our style of player?

Long for their position, average or better athleticism, and a good work ethic. They want sound defenders and they're less concerned with polished offensive skills, figuring that can teach that over time. It's the OKC formula.

OKC formula requires an elite 3 level scorer. Who is ours?

OKC’s formula has led to it becoming the top defensive team in the NBA. That’s a big factor in the Thunder’s success.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1232 » by prime1time » Sun Mar 30, 2025 5:28 pm

DCZards wrote:
prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:Long for their position, average or better athleticism, and a good work ethic. They want sound defenders and they're less concerned with polished offensive skills, figuring that can teach that over time. It's the OKC formula.

OKC formula requires an elite 3 level scorer. Who is ours?

OKC’s formula has led to it becoming the top defensive team in the NBA. That’s a big factor in the Thunder’s success.

I'd argue that they found their #1 option and built a team around him that compliments his skills. The OKC model is find an elite/efficient 3 level scorer and build a team around him.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1233 » by dobrojim » Sun Mar 30, 2025 5:39 pm

According to Tankathon, we currently have the 42nd and 48th picks in this draft.

Given how much better we've played the last month,
just with our 2 additional 2025 FRPs, we may be flirting
with the Nix getting our 2026 FRP. I suspect that
possibility is something mgmt would very much like
to avoid.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1234 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 30, 2025 5:44 pm

nate33 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:Long for their position, average or better athleticism, and a good work ethic. They want sound defenders and they're less concerned with polished offensive skills, figuring that can teach that over time. It's the OKC formula.
How would you describe Hartenstein?

Hartenstein is one of the best defensive bigs in the game. Last year, he was 5th in DRtg and 3rd in DBPM. This year, he is 1st in DRtg and 8th in DBPM.
Would the Wizards have drafted him from a physical standpoint before he became the NBA player he is?
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1235 » by Dat2U » Sun Mar 30, 2025 6:47 pm

Khaman Malauch is like if the Brendan Haywood template existed in 2k with all the sliders maxed.

Much better mobility, hands, touch ... shooting potential.

Defensive rebounding is weak. Offensive rebounding is near elite.

He and Sarr are not a great or natural fit, at least initially. One of the biggest is both are weak at defensive rebounding, Sarr's development as it entices him to become even more perimeter oriented and the lack of spacing and versatility offensively.

The pluses are that both Sarr & Malauch are high IQ players so they could make it work. Sarr is switchable and Malauch appears to be as well. Sarr is better suited to guarding smaller, quicker players, rather than legit bigs at the moment anyways.

Sarr is proving to be a viable 3 pt threat and Malauch has shooting potential. Maybe the Evan Mobley + Jarrett Allen model can work here with Malauch even having more offensive versatility than Allen who is a great finisher in his own right.
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Post#1236 » by payitforward » Sun Mar 30, 2025 8:46 pm

Hard not to like MalUAch -- mammoth & mobile!

That said, we are hoping for one of the top 3 picks. Certainly Flagg or Harper would be the pick over Maluach.

Should/would we consider Maluach if those two are off the board?
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Post#1237 » by 9 and 20 » Sun Mar 30, 2025 8:57 pm

I think Maluach will be a good player and I like the idea of copying what the Cavs have, with maybe a lesser version of Mobley but better version of Jarrett Allen.

But - I hate the framing of a Hollywood Brendan Hawyood being the prize for a year of multiple 15 game losing streaks. Now that I've seen and absorbed that, it's going to be hard to let it go.

I also like the idea of Edgecomb if he's as good as he looks in his highlights (not that everyone doesn't look good). He reminds me a bit of Steve Francis and I also see some Derrick Rose in his game.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1238 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Mar 30, 2025 9:18 pm

Dat2U wrote:Khaman Malauch is like if the Brendan Haywood template existed in 2k with all the sliders maxed.

Much better mobility, hands, touch ... shooting potential.

Defensive rebounding is weak. Offensive rebounding is near elite.

He and Sarr are not a great or natural fit, at least initially. One of the biggest is both are weak at defensive rebounding, Sarr's development as it entices him to become even more perimeter oriented and the lack of spacing and versatility offensively.

The pluses are that both Sarr & Malauch are high IQ players so they could make it work. Sarr is switchable and Malauch appears to be as well. Sarr is better suited to guarding smaller, quicker players, rather than legit bigs at the moment anyways.

Sarr is proving to be a viable 3 pt threat and Malauch has shooting potential. Maybe the Evan Mobley + Jarrett Allen model can work here with Malauch even having more offensive versatility than Allen who is a great finisher in his own right.




I've definitely warmed up to the idea of Maluach. At this point, I'm leaning to Maluach after the top 3. Watching him in this tournament is only solidifying him as a prospect in my eyes. Even if we're just rotating Sarr and Maluach more often than not, he can still literally be a game changer.

For one thing, I'm tired of this team being soft inside. Constantly being an open runway for layups, giving up rebounds and 2nd chance points, getting physically punked and pushed around inside. Maluach instantly becomes an imposing deterrent in the lane. Him and Sarr together could be a defensively elite combo.

Regarding our 2nd pick, Carter Bryant is the player I'm setting my sights on. He is physically the prototype of what Dawkins looks for. Like Kyshawn, his college playing time has been somewhat limited, but you can see all the tools. He has great positional size (SF/Wing), length, athleticism, and defensive instincts. High character and motor, work ethic, and a sweet shooting stroke seal the deal. And he has youth on his side.

That being said... I would also strongly consider Wolf. The prospect of rolling out a Center/PF rotation of Maluach, Sarr, Wolf could be an absolute menace for the opposition to deal with. Wolf at 7ft with his handle and passing, hustle and rebounding, and ability to score inside and out, mixed with the length and rim protection of Maluach and Sarr could be special. A constant mix at C/PF of Maluach/Sarr, Sarr/Wolf, Maluach/Wolf.

Again, maybe we can add another 1st even if late in the round and possible get Wolf AND Bryant...


Fleming would also be a strong choice if he's still on the board. Fleming is more of a PF/SF, and adds more versatility defensively, can defend the perimeter and adds more rim protection more so than Wolf, but not quite as physical inside. With him you could rotate Maluach/Sarr at Center, Sarr/Fleming at PF, and Kyshawn/Fleming at SF. We could at time roll out 2 through 5 of Maluach, Sarr, Fleming, Bilal....

CMB and Essengue are 2 others in this category of more PF/SF, who fit the Dawkins OKC model of upside, versatility and length, but less likely to drop this far.

Now if we take Bailey at 3, or Harper at 2.... That 2nd pick I'm probably looking for Sorber with that 2nd pick, for some of the same reasons we'd take Maluach earlier. Wolf and Fleming would also be on the radar. Basically Bailey and Bryant play the same position, and adding Harper to the backcourt would push Kyshawn and Bilal up to more minutes at SF, negating the need or opportunity for Bryant there.

As far as the 2nd round... We do only have one 2nd round pick. We dealt the other 2 at the deadline...

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/washington-wizards/washington-wizards-2025-nba-trade-deadline-grade-marcus-smart-2

Outgoing Wizards picks at deadline:

To Bucks: 2025 2nd (second-most favorable of WAS' collection)
To 76ers: 2027 2nd (via GSW), 2028 2nd (via GSW), 2030 2nd (via PHX), 2030 2nd
To Grizzlies: 2025 2nd


Now I believe the pick we still have is the one currently mocked at 42. But I'm not positive with that.

As far as that pick, and the 2nd round in general, is yo are now competing with NIL. So high upside Freshmen or Sophomores will probably opt to return to school and get NIL and enter the draft next year if they're going this low.

That leaves Seniors... someone like Raynaud, the French Center from Stanford, who I like. Or maybe PG Walter Clayton. He's killing it in the tourney. Both will be 22 when drafted.

The other option is to go for a high upside international draft and stash, like a Joan Beringer, or Michael Ruzic. Another possibility is 19 yr old Dink Pate who plays for the GLeague Mexico City...

Maybe some Sophomores & Juniors with limited upside who could actually hurt their draft stock by staying longer in college, like a Darrion Williams, Tyrese Proctor or Tomislav Ivisic. Maybe Miles Byrd.

I'd expect this future thinking front office to go the route of draft and stash with a Beringer, Ruzic, Grunloh, or draft Dink Pate and bring him in to the GO GO.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1239 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 30, 2025 9:30 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:How would you describe Hartenstein?

Hartenstein is one of the best defensive bigs in the game. Last year, he was 5th in DRtg and 3rd in DBPM. This year, he is 1st in DRtg and 8th in DBPM.
Would the Wizards have drafted him from a physical standpoint before he became the NBA player he is?

I doubt it.

What's your point?
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread 

Post#1240 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 30, 2025 9:32 pm

prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:What's our style of player?

Long for their position, average or better athleticism, and a good work ethic. They want sound defenders and they're less concerned with polished offensive skills, figuring that can teach that over time. It's the OKC formula.

OKC formula requires an elite 3 level scorer. Who is ours?

Every team requires an elite scorer. That's the hardest thing to find - particularly one who is not a defensive liability.

We don't have one yet.

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