Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[ShootingtheJ]

If he doesn't come back for the playoffs, his trade value is essentially zilch.

Correct. When you look at the hierarchy of Bucks problems, this is #1. Everything else is a distant second.

Don’t think anyone will deal for him until he shows he can play a couple months straight on the court with no issues.

Can he come back? Sure. Having this in the calf seems a bit more solvable than what Bosh or Wemby had. But there also is a scenario where he retires. We could be back to the 2009 Michael Redd discussions of what the CBA says about retired-medical exception contracts. And then what is covered by the league’s insurance policies. Paging GAD.

This is really over the top. Nothing like what Bosch had.

[kanyon]

We'd rather play Ajax out of position for half the year than give Johnson some minutes.

[Bernman]

Then if/when Dame comes back next season, he'll be 35, 36 right after the campaign. It's similar w/ Kuz in the sense that we'd be priced in to bring them back next season, unless the unlikelihood they recoup their value this one. Even if they did, this FO would think short-sightedly that means to bring them back as opposed to selling higher. They love selling low (if they ever sell)- Khris, Bled, Jrue, DiVo, AJJ, etc.

[ShootingtheJ]

Part of selling low is the fact we were contenders.

[paulpressey25]

This is really over the top. Nothing like what Bosch had.

No team is giving up real assets for him, until they see him play extended time on the court. Which means we're locked into him next year, assuming he gets medical clearance.

[ShootingtheJ]

This is really over the top. Nothing like what Bosch had.

No team is giving up real assets for him, until they see him play extended time on the court. Which means we're locked into him next year, assuming he gets medical clearance.

It's not in his lungs, and no athlete has ever had this outside the lungs has had a single setback returning from this.

This does not threaten his career in any way.

[paulpressey25]

It's not in his lungs, and no athlete has ever had this outside the lungs has had a single setback returning from this.

This does not threaten his career in any way.

I agree that being in the calf is the best possible scenario. However, please list for me the NBA players that have had this issue and how long they were sidelined? I have no idea other than Bosh and Wemby.

[paulpressey25]

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/off-the-court/kevin-garnett-has-a-theory-on-the-surge-of-blood-clots-among-active-nba-players

Here's the list

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Jesse Morse, M.D.
@DrJesseMorse
NBA players who suffered from blood clots

Anderson Varejão (2013) - 30 years old
Chris Bosh (2015) - 32 years old
Jerome Kersey (2015) - 52 years old
Mirza Teletovic (2015) - 29 years old
Brandon Ingram (2019) - 21 years old
Christian Koloko (2023) - 24 years old
Ausar Thompson (2024) - 21 years old
Victor Wembanyama (2025) - 21 years old

Yes it’s true that athletes are at high risk in general for blood clots due to their low resting heart rate, getting dehydrated during a game, and hopping on long flights.

Koloko, Thompson and Wembanyama are all post-COVID/vaccine so it is a fair question to ask that if this played a role.

I find it concerning that we have had an increase in blood clot in young athlete over the past 5 years and I don’t think it’s random.

Unfortunate nonetheless.
1:00 PM · Feb 20, 2025
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[ShootingtheJ]

It's not in his lungs, and no athlete has ever had this outside the lungs has had a single setback returning from this.

This does not threaten his career in any way.

I agree that being in the calf is the best possible scenario. However, please list for me the NBA players that have had this issue and how long they were sidelined? I have no idea other than Bosh and Wemby.

Ausur Thompson, Brandon Ingram, and hockey player Brock Boeser each returned immediately the following season.

The reason you likely think this is scary is because of the athletes who had numerous clots in their lungs, including Chris Bosch, Mirza Teletovic, and Serena Williams. That's a seperate condition.

[ReasonablySober]

This is really over the top. Nothing like what Bosch had.

No team is giving up real assets for him, until they see him play extended time on the court. Which means we're locked into him next year, assuming he gets medical clearance.

It's not in his lungs, and no athlete has ever had this outside the lungs has had a single setback returning from this.

This does not threaten his career in any way.

It's in his calf, the exact same spot that Bosh had it that cause him to retire.

[ShootingtheJ]

No team is giving up real assets for him, until they see him play extended time on the court. Which means we're locked into him next year, assuming he gets medical clearance.

It's not in his lungs, and no athlete has ever had this outside the lungs has had a single setback returning from this.

This does not threaten his career in any way.

It's in his calf, the exact same spot that Bosh had it that cause him to retire.

Just Google it, Bosch's clots were definitely in his lungs, otherwise known as pulmonary embolism.

[ReasonablySober]

It's not in his lungs, and no athlete has ever had this outside the lungs has had a single setback returning from this.

This does not threaten his career in any way.

It's in his calf, the exact same spot that Bosh had it that cause him to retire.

Just Google it, Bosch's clots were definitely in his lungs, otherwise known as pulmonary embolism.

He had two instances. The first in his lungs he was able to come back from. The deep vein thrombosis was the second occurrence in the calf that caused him to retire.

[ShootingtheJ]

It's in his calf, the exact same spot that Bosh had it that cause him to retire.

Just Google it, Bosch's clots were definitely in his lungs, otherwise known as pulmonary embolism.

He had two instances. The first in his lungs he was able to come back from. The deep vein thrombosis was the second occurrence in the calf that caused him to retire.

Nope, it started and came back in his lungs. You could have googled it by now.

[ReasonablySober]

Just Google it, Bosch's clots were definitely in his lungs, otherwise known as pulmonary embolism.

He had two instances. The first in his lungs he was able to come back from. The deep vein thrombosis was the second occurrence in the calf that caused him to retire.

Nope, it started and came back in his lungs. You could have googled it by now.

I've read it on at least five different sources. It was even mentioned on a national NBA podcast on Thursday. You're just wrong.

[ReasonablySober]

Watch on YouTube

15:30 mark.

[M-C-G]

Assuming we don’t make it deep Dame, Kuz for FVV, Dillon Brooks, Eason, ?

PG FVV, Rollins
SG Green, KPJ (sixth man)
SF Trent, Brooks, Pat
PF Eason, Smith, Liv
C Giannis, Brook, Sims

Gives you Bobby, AJJ, Pat to combine for 25M expiring to acquire something else useful or even add Brooks for someone like Paul George where you get compensated. Obviously you are committing to Giannis as the 5 and Brook as a vet min type situational big. Probably using that 2nd on Tugler and reserving both two ways for Uber athletic PF/C prospects

[paulpressey25]

He had two instances. The first in his lungs he was able to come back from. The deep vein thrombosis was the second occurrence in the calf that caused him to retire.

Correct. In the case of the first one, the clot likely traveled from his leg to his lungs. He went on blood thinners for six-months.

Came back and they found another in his calf. Then he retired.

These two links are helpful (well not really for Dame's health or the Bucks)

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/why-did-chris-bosh-retire-blood-clot-issue-nba-career/eb64c1ad5322f0b3c685edd2

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/27/bosh-nba-blood-clots/

[Frank Nova]

Bucks have a tasty schedule the rest of the way, Detroit the last 2 games of the season is the only team we play that’s not either in a play-in scenario or completely eliminated. Suns, Philly, Pelicans twice, Heat, Wolves and Detroit twice to end the year, @ Detroit and then home the final game. Would be awfully nice to end the year on a nice winning streak and take back control of the 5 seed for a better matchup vs Indiana. As much as I hate it, I’m unable to not be optimistic about the Bucks. A part of me will always believe as long as Giannis is healthy we have a fighters chance to do the unthinkable. BUCKS IN 6!

[pifhluk23]

Bucks have a tasty schedule the rest of the way, Detroit the last 2 games of the season is the only team we play that’s not either in a play-in scenario or completely eliminated. Suns, Philly, Pelicans twice, Heat, Wolves and Detroit twice to end the year, @ Detroit and then home the final game. Would be awfully nice to end the year on a nice winning streak and take back control of the 5 seed for a better matchup vs Indiana. As much as I hate it, I’m unable to not be optimistic about the Bucks. A part of me will always believe as long as Giannis is healthy we have a fighters chance to do the unthinkable. BUCKS IN 6!

5 seed? Were headed for the play in. Which is honestly preferable, get this season over with as quick as possible.

[pifhluk23]

Assuming we don’t make it deep Dame, Kuz for FVV, Dillon Brooks, Eason, ?

PG FVV, Rollins
SG Green, KPJ (sixth man)
SF Trent, Brooks, Pat
PF Eason, Smith, Liv
C Giannis, Brook, Sims

Gives you Bobby, AJJ, Pat to combine for 25M expiring to acquire something else useful or even add Brooks for someone like Paul George where you get compensated. Obviously you are committing to Giannis as the 5 and Brook as a vet min type situational big. Probably using that 2nd on Tugler and reserving both two ways for Uber athletic PF/C prospects

Dame is a negative asset now, it's going to take all Summer for realgm to realize that.