Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[Frank Nova]

Bucks have a tasty schedule the rest of the way, Detroit the last 2 games of the season is the only team we play that’s not either in a play-in scenario or completely eliminated. Suns, Philly, Pelicans twice, Heat, Wolves and Detroit twice to end the year, @ Detroit and then home the final game. Would be awfully nice to end the year on a nice winning streak and take back control of the 5 seed for a better matchup vs Indiana. As much as I hate it, I’m unable to not be optimistic about the Bucks. A part of me will always believe as long as Giannis is healthy we have a fighters chance to do the unthinkable. BUCKS IN 6!

5 seed? Were headed for the play in. Which is honestly preferable, get this season over with as quick as possible.

Pistons are losing to Minnesota and we’re only 1.5 games out of the 5 seed and we play them twice still. If the Bucks can stop sucking and figure it out they can still get a winnable 1st round matchup with Indiana. I hate myself for being so optimistic but your way isn’t a bad idea either. We only have to win like 4 more games to lock up the 6 seed and we play mid level and crappy teams the rest of the way so the play-in seems unlikely. Id still rather battle with Indiana than get gentleman swept by NY no matter how **** the season has gone.

[The Wet Whistle]

Borrego,Vogel, Quinn, Nori. Who else? Definitely nobody currently on staff

GMs, I have no idea. But not Horst

[raferfenix]

#FireDoc

[Bernman]

What's tricky going fw, is even if we did something like trade Giannis for Flagg+, there'd be little for him to play w/ for years at least. So I'm thinking our way out of this is to get young assets + picks, hopefully our own, for absorbing terrible contracts putting teams in apron jeopardy eventually.

The Pels have our picks in '26 & '27. They'd like to get off Murray & his blown achilles I'm sure. Portland owns ours from '28-30. They'd like to get off paying Grant into his mid 30's. If Philly won the lotto, they'd need to send us George for Giannis/Flagg to work. Then we get McCain & much more.

[Packbuckman]

#FireDoc

#FireDoc

[Matches Malone]

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[ReasonablySober]

I think most lotto teams would prefer Flagg. The exceptions are probably the Sixers, Heat, Houston, and Dallas. Even then I'm not sure.

[Plossum]

What's tricky going fw, is even if we did something like trade Giannis for Flagg+, there'd be little for him to play w/ for years at least. So I'm thinking our way out of this is to get young assets + picks, hopefully our own, for absorbing terrible contracts putting teams in apron jeopardy eventually.

The Pels have our picks in '26 & '27. They'd like to get off Murray & his blown achilles I'm sure. Portland owns ours from '28-30. They'd like to get off paying Grant into his mid 30's. If Philly won the lotto, they'd need to send us George for Giannis/Flagg to work. Then we get McCain & much more.

Not sure if spicy or not, but I doubt the team that gets Flagg would trade him for Giannis. The list of guys you’d be willing to trade for him is prob Wemby, Ant and Shai. Prob Luka too.

[Bernman]

Not sure if spicy or not, but I doubt the team that gets Flagg would trade him for Giannis. The list of guys you’d be willing to trade for him is prob Wemby, Ant and Shai. Prob Luka too.

The win later teams probably wouldn't, but some of the win now teams surely would. Philly & Dallas definitely would. They're firmly win now and he helps exponentially more in that goal. Houston & SA may or may not. They're in-between. Brooklyn is a wild card. They've been openly pining for Giannis & have a big market to lure a running mate.

[Plossum]

As much as where we’ve now landed sucks, it was still all worth it for the 2021 title. It sucks that it seems we’ll prob never have another deep run with Giannis on the roster but we at least went for it and made it to the summit.

There have been a lot of great teams that never made it over the hump so will try not to take the 2021 title for granted and the work it took from the franchise to get there.

I think we’re in the natural decline all great teams eventually face. It’s hard to retool a once great team. Can anyone think of a team that has done it outside of the Spurs and Bulls?

[bucksfansince88]

I’d give Rondo a shot at HC

[Bernman]

As much as where we’ve now landed sucks, it was still all worth it for the 2021 title. It sucks that it seems we’ll prob never have another deep run with Giannis on the roster but we at least went for it and made it to the summit.

There have been a lot of great teams that never made it over the hump so will try not to take the 2021 title for granted and the work it took from the franchise to get there.

I think we’re in the natural decline all great teams eventually face. It’s hard to retool a once great team. Can anyone think of a team that has done it outside of the Spurs and Bulls?

I don't think it was worth it.

Firstly, I value something like 10 years of contention or belief in it, over 1 title. Because you go thru all those down years. We did for 26 of 27 years, and that was not fun.

Secondly, we were 1 shot away (in 3 different quarters) from probably winning a title in '18-19, & that was as a green playoff team. Then we give away 7 1st rd picks & more prospects for Dame who helps us win nothing, & Jrue who was terrible on O in the playoffs. We'd have had nearly as good of a shot to win w/out them. And even if we didn't, we'd have been consistent contenders, then not tanked our future for almost a decade.

[MickeyDavis]

As much as where we’ve now landed sucks, it was still all worth it for the 2021 title. It sucks that it seems we’ll prob never have another deep run with Giannis on the roster but we at least went for it and made it to the summit.

There have been a lot of great teams that never made it over the hump so will try not to take the 2021 title for granted and the work it took from the franchise to get there.

I think we’re in the natural decline all great teams eventually face. It’s hard to retool a once great team. Can anyone think of a team that has done it outside of the Spurs and Bulls?

I don't think it was worth it.

Firstly, I value something like 10 years of contention or belief in it, over 1 title. Because you go thru all those down years. We did for 26 of 27 years, and that was not fun.

Secondly, we were 1 shot away (in 3 different quarters) from probably winning a title in '18-19, & that was as a green playoff team. Then we give away 7 1st rd picks & more prospects for Dame who helps us win nothing, & Jrue who was terrible on O in the playoffs. We'd have had nearly as good of a shot to win w/out them. And even if we didn't, we'd have been consistent contenders, then not tanked our future for almost a decade.

Winning a title is always worth it. Always. Giving up that title to have a chance at more titles? No way. I'll take the sure thing 100% of the time.

So yes winning a title was worth it.

[raferfenix]

Doc and Dame have both been incredible disappointments.

[Plossum]

As much as where we’ve now landed sucks, it was still all worth it for the 2021 title. It sucks that it seems we’ll prob never have another deep run with Giannis on the roster but we at least went for it and made it to the summit.

There have been a lot of great teams that never made it over the hump so will try not to take the 2021 title for granted and the work it took from the franchise to get there.

I think we’re in the natural decline all great teams eventually face. It’s hard to retool a once great team. Can anyone think of a team that has done it outside of the Spurs and Bulls?

I don't think it was worth it.

Firstly, I value something like 10 years of contention or belief in it, over 1 title. Because you go thru all those down years. We did for 26 of 27 years, and that was not fun.

Secondly, we were 1 shot away (in 3 different quarters) from probably winning a title in '18-19, & that was as a green playoff team. Then we give away 7 1st rd picks & more prospects for Dame who helps us win nothing, & Jrue who was terrible on O in the playoffs. We'd have had nearly as good of a shot to win w/out them. And even if we didn't, we'd have been consistent contenders, then not tanked our future for almost a decade.

Winning a title is always worth it. Always. Giving up that title to have a chance at more titles? No way. I'll take the sure thing 100% of the time.

So yes winning a title was worth it.

I think you’re right. I think of the great teams of recent times like Houston (Harden), Brooklyn (KD edition), OKC (WB, KD) who never quite got there and would’ve given up a few extra assets in retrospect to make it happen.

Just suck we’re now living through the inevitable death spiral most once great teams go through. Feels like our only path back is a long rebuild by cashing in on Giannis’ value. I don’t see any other miracles out there to rebuild this squad.

[Perishable517]

As much as where we’ve now landed sucks, it was still all worth it for the 2021 title. It sucks that it seems we’ll prob never have another deep run with Giannis on the roster but we at least went for it and made it to the summit.

There have been a lot of great teams that never made it over the hump so will try not to take the 2021 title for granted and the work it took from the franchise to get there.

I think we’re in the natural decline all great teams eventually face. It’s hard to retool a once great team. Can anyone think of a team that has done it outside of the Spurs and Bulls?

I don't think it was worth it.

Firstly, I value something like 10 years of contention or belief in it, over 1 title. Because you go thru all those down years. We did for 26 of 27 years, and that was not fun.

Secondly, we were 1 shot away (in 3 different quarters) from probably winning a title in '18-19, & that was as a green playoff team. Then we give away 7 1st rd picks & more prospects for Dame who helps us win nothing, & Jrue who was terrible on O in the playoffs. We'd have had nearly as good of a shot to win w/out them. And even if we didn't, we'd have been consistent contenders, then not tanked our future for almost a decade.

Winning a title is always worth it. Always. Giving up that title to have a chance at more titles? No way. I'll take the sure thing 100% of the time.

So yes winning a title was worth it.

Right on, MD. going to the Finals in person and the Bucks winning it all completes my bucket list activities.

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[Ayt]

As much as where we’ve now landed sucks, it was still all worth it for the 2021 title. It sucks that it seems we’ll prob never have another deep run with Giannis on the roster but we at least went for it and made it to the summit.

There have been a lot of great teams that never made it over the hump so will try not to take the 2021 title for granted and the work it took from the franchise to get there.

I think we’re in the natural decline all great teams eventually face. It’s hard to retool a once great team. Can anyone think of a team that has done it outside of the Spurs and Bulls?

I don't think it was worth it.

Firstly, I value something like 10 years of contention or belief in it, over 1 title. Because you go thru all those down years. We did for 26 of 27 years, and that was not fun.

Secondly, we were 1 shot away (in 3 different quarters) from probably winning a title in '18-19, & that was as a green playoff team. Then we give away 7 1st rd picks & more prospects for Dame who helps us win nothing, & Jrue who was terrible on O in the playoffs. We'd have had nearly as good of a shot to win w/out them. And even if we didn't, we'd have been consistent contenders, then not tanked our future for almost a decade.

Winning that title was incredible and isn't like the Bucks sold out their future to win it. The Bucks were in a fantastic place even after winning the title. They just **** up countless transactions afterwards.

[soxperry]

Khris getting hurt the year after the title, and then never getting back to his form, is the single biggest issue for us. I dont know how we recover

[raferfenix]

I’m not sure there ever was a great time to trade Khris.

If there was any way to make the cap math work trading him for Dame (despite Khash’s recent extension) instead of Jrue that would have been the big one.

Otherwise immediately after we won the chip it wouldn’t have made sense unless we were getting prime KD or the like. That trade deadline it would’ve been ballsy as hell but warning signs he wasn’t keeping up with his Kobe-level of play the previous playoffs were there, but it was also before he got hurt vs Boston.

The injuries just came at the worst possible times for trade purposes.

[German Athens]

How would you all feel about kristaps?

If we had problems with Khris’s injuries, we’re going to have the same problem with Kristaps, but when he’s played, he’s been able to play heavier minutes than Lhris.

I think we could get him without giving up a 1st or Dame.

He’s a heck of a lot better than Kuzma, and he’s a better spacer than brook while providing defensive value. If he could be acquired cheaply, we could still use the 1st in a different deal to bolster the rest of the roster.