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2025 NBA Draft

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#441 » by Idiosyncratic » Mon Mar 31, 2025 1:47 am

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Who are you looking at in the first round with our pick? It is supposed to be a deep draft even outside lottery, right?


I think most of my top targets are going to be gone, but I think I would take one of Fears, Richardson, Tre Johnson, Jakucionis or Traore in that order. The playmaking guards are just the most interesting to me in this draft and it isn't even just because of our need. I would also give big consideration to Maluach or Newell if they fell to us. Traore is probably the only of those players I would say is likely to make it to us. Boom or bust PG prospect with a lot of speed and passing chops. Mediocre numbers, but he played pro ball instead of college. Maybe the best passer in the class.

Opinions differ on the depth of the draft, but I personally think it is very deep. I think there are a ton of solid middle tier guys from just outside of the lottery even into the early 2nd and it will probably be a crapshoot to select who ends up being good, but there will be several gems IMO.

And you didn't ask, but if I went guard pick one I would look at a big with the 2nd pick. Sorber, Yaxel, Broome, and Wolf would be my top guys there and in that order.

I'm also very down for a trade. I think they have some options and they can always trade after the draft with future picks if one doesn't materialize on draft night.


I like Broom. Maybe with the DEN pick? However, don't we have 3 Centers already. What about that French kid in the ESPN Mock draft who can be a rim protector we need?

Also with our 2nd round, what about a guy like Grant Nelson from Alabama? I think we can find some serviceable players and gem in the 2nd round.

What about UCF's Moustapha Thiam? Similar numbers as Maluach, just not proven success like Duke has. But similar players who can protect the rim plus a good mid range.


Yeah I would personally be very comfortable taking Broome with the Denver pick. I think he is just a winner, I think the rebounding will translate and I think he can defend at an above average level. I think he also could have some hidden upside passing from the high post and potentially getting competent on open 3s. I don't think he's getting a bunch of post touches in the NBA like he does college, but I kind of envision a Joakim Noah type role for him. I could be off though.

I'm sort of thinking we maybe don't have our longterm center answer on the roster and that any of them could be dealt except Mo. Goga is good, but has fallen out of the rotation at times and expires soon. I also just really like the late round bigs this year compared to a lot of the other players.

Assume you are talking about Maxime Raynaud for the French big. I thought about putting him 5th on my center list, but I honestly need to watch tape on him. 7 footer that can shoot is always interesting though. I don't know a ton about his ability to move on defense yet personally. Seems like a late 1st early 2nd guy right now.

Grant Nelson I think will be an undrafted FA signing or very late 2nd, but I think he will get a chance.

Thiam should and will stay in school IMO. I do think he should be taken in the 2nd if he came out, but he should try to improve his stock. Difference between he and Maluach for me is that Thiam's movements look a lot more stiff. Maluach feels pretty fluid to me moving on defense. Thiam has some upside though, but I do think he should stay in school and try to have a monster year next year. Needs to get the rebounding up, I know he spends time on perimeter, but it's still just too low.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#442 » by KillMonger » Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:55 am

Any thoughts on Thomas haugh? Initially the film is intriguing, I like the energy he plays with

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#443 » by pepe1991 » Mon Mar 31, 2025 5:35 am

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What's the fascination with Clayton ?

College senior who's same age as Kuminga & Giddey who are finishing 4th nba year, dominating kids in unprofessional league :dontknow:

Guy is 6'2 -shoot first guard. You can probably get him for some minor trade with 40+ pick


Being a senior isn’t a negative. The hope would be he could be a FVV/Payton Pritchard kind of find, and ready to play sooner than a young project.

He has a crazy quick release and can get his shot off with a hand in his face and is a 39% 3pt shooter for his college career on over 5 attempts a game. Isn’t a complete liability on defense as he has decent weight and he can use that to body up well.

I’d take him with the Den pick or a 2rp happily as a replacement to Cole and bench scorer/shooter.


Being senior also isn't positive either. Those players are more mature, older and simply better prepared for college than freshmen they often face.
Also very, very, very few college players are ready to contribute right away. Including seniors.

From 2018- present day only 12-14 players who are seniors were taken in first round. Edey being only one selected in lottery i believe.
Post 2016 draft with 3 seniors in lottery- Hield, Valentine , Prince, after Kaminsky 2015 & McDermott back to back epic fails in lottery, teams sobered up. Desmond Bane being one of few good players.


As for replacing Cole, i think you are overvaluing what you see at college. We had this situation with both Okeke and this year Da Silva. They supposed to be "nba ready" players, Okeke got hurt, okey, but he didn't play in nba until he was 22-23 y.o. And he flat out sucked, as nothing from college translated.
Da Silva is even better example. Good college team, 3 nba players , 16 ppg. 23 years old, sold as "ready to contribute", and yet, look at his nba season. 7 ppg, 52% TS, his shot didn't translate, his defense is average at best. He actually plays worst and less with every new month, now sitting at 4 ppg & 34% FG in March.


Even Edey experience is all over the place. They don't play him in 4th quarters, they benched him couple of games ago, vs Cavs he played 17 min because he couldn't defend pick&roll, vs Blazers he had 5 fouls in 10 min. At college, 7'3, guy was God among peasants.

I don't mind Clayton, nor anybody else really with second pick, but i see no reasons why use first round pick for such player. Especially because most mocks don't have him picked before 40#.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#444 » by drsd » Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:13 am

pepe1991 wrote:Being senior also isn't positive either. Those players are more mature, older and simply better prepared for college than freshmen they often face.
Also very, very, very few college players are ready to contribute right away. Including seniors.

From 2018- present day only 12-14 players who are seniors were taken in first round. Edey being only one selected in lottery i believe.
Post 2016 draft with 3 seniors in lottery- Hield, Valentine , Prince, after Kaminsky 2015 & McDermott back to back epic fails in lottery, teams sobered up. Desmond Bane being one of few good players.


As for replacing Cole, i think you are overvaluing what you see at college. We had this situation with both Okeke and this year Da Silva. They supposed to be "nba ready" players, Okeke got hurt, okey, but he didn't play in nba until he was 22-23 y.o. And he flat out sucked, as nothing from college translated.
Da Silva is even better example. Good college team, 3 nba players , 16 ppg. 23 years old, sold as "ready to contribute", and yet, look at his nba season. 7 ppg, 52% TS, his shot didn't translate, his defense is average at best. He actually plays worst and less with every new month, now sitting at 4 ppg & 34% FG in March.


Even Edey experience is all over the place. They don't play him in 4th quarters, they benched him couple of games ago, vs Cavs he played 17 min because he couldn't defend pick&roll, vs Blazers he had 5 fouls in 10 min. At college, 7'3, guy was God among peasants.

I don't mind Clayton, nor anybody else really with second pick, but i see no reasons why use first round pick for such player. Especially because most mocks don't have him picked before 40#.


My only "disagreement" here is that for the senior's, individual skill sets are matured. So a 40% threepoint shooter in college will have an NBA mid-range game. And 85% FT senior-shooter in college will have an NBA three point range. The "hype/upside" bubble for diaper-dandies drives me crazy. Having a 7'4" wingspan means nothing if you can't hold a basketball (hello Bamba).

But: and to get back to your point, if Practice and skills training is so important to one as a GM/PBO: don't draft a college senior; draft a Euroleague guy.

Example: Nolan Traore is only 18 and has been playing professional basketball since 2021. This is the sort of guy to draft over a Walter Clayton-type. It really is not a close call.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#445 » by Bensational » Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:24 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
What's the fascination with Clayton ?

College senior who's same age as Kuminga & Giddey who are finishing 4th nba year, dominating kids in unprofessional league :dontknow:

Guy is 6'2 -shoot first guard. You can probably get him for some minor trade with 40+ pick


Being a senior isn’t a negative. The hope would be he could be a FVV/Payton Pritchard kind of find, and ready to play sooner than a young project.

He has a crazy quick release and can get his shot off with a hand in his face and is a 39% 3pt shooter for his college career on over 5 attempts a game. Isn’t a complete liability on defense as he has decent weight and he can use that to body up well.

I’d take him with the Den pick or a 2rp happily as a replacement to Cole and bench scorer/shooter.


Being senior also isn't positive either. Those players are more mature, older and simply better prepared for college than freshmen they often face.
Also very, very, very few college players are ready to contribute right away. Including seniors.

From 2018- present day only 12-14 players who are seniors were taken in first round. Edey being only one selected in lottery i believe.
Post 2016 draft with 3 seniors in lottery- Hield, Valentine , Prince, after Kaminsky 2015 & McDermott back to back epic fails in lottery, teams sobered up. Desmond Bane being one of few good players.


As for replacing Cole, i think you are overvaluing what you see at college. We had this situation with both Okeke and this year Da Silva. They supposed to be "nba ready" players, Okeke got hurt, okey, but he didn't play in nba until he was 22-23 y.o. And he flat out sucked, as nothing from college translated.
Da Silva is even better example. Good college team, 3 nba players , 16 ppg. 23 years old, sold as "ready to contribute", and yet, look at his nba season. 7 ppg, 52% TS, his shot didn't translate, his defense is average at best. He actually plays worst and less with every new month, now sitting at 4 ppg & 34% FG in March.


Even Edey experience is all over the place. They don't play him in 4th quarters, they benched him couple of games ago, vs Cavs he played 17 min because he couldn't defend pick&roll, vs Blazers he had 5 fouls in 10 min. At college, 7'3, guy was God among peasants.

I don't mind Clayton, nor anybody else really with second pick, but i see no reasons why use first round pick for such player. Especially because most mocks don't have him picked before 40#.


That’s a lot of information about a lot of players who aren’t Clayton. Tell me why Clayton is a bad prospect and why he couldn’t do what Pritchard is doing. What won’t translate about his shot that he can get up with no space?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#446 » by basketballRob » Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:51 am

I would pick Clayton with our second 1st. He's listed the same size as Cojo, and he holds his own on switches. Joseph got drafted 29th.



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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#447 » by pepe1991 » Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:55 am

drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Being senior also isn't positive either. Those players are more mature, older and simply better prepared for college than freshmen they often face.
Also very, very, very few college players are ready to contribute right away. Including seniors.

From 2018- present day only 12-14 players who are seniors were taken in first round. Edey being only one selected in lottery i believe.
Post 2016 draft with 3 seniors in lottery- Hield, Valentine , Prince, after Kaminsky 2015 & McDermott back to back epic fails in lottery, teams sobered up. Desmond Bane being one of few good players.


As for replacing Cole, i think you are overvaluing what you see at college. We had this situation with both Okeke and this year Da Silva. They supposed to be "nba ready" players, Okeke got hurt, okey, but he didn't play in nba until he was 22-23 y.o. And he flat out sucked, as nothing from college translated.
Da Silva is even better example. Good college team, 3 nba players , 16 ppg. 23 years old, sold as "ready to contribute", and yet, look at his nba season. 7 ppg, 52% TS, his shot didn't translate, his defense is average at best. He actually plays worst and less with every new month, now sitting at 4 ppg & 34% FG in March.


Even Edey experience is all over the place. They don't play him in 4th quarters, they benched him couple of games ago, vs Cavs he played 17 min because he couldn't defend pick&roll, vs Blazers he had 5 fouls in 10 min. At college, 7'3, guy was God among peasants.

I don't mind Clayton, nor anybody else really with second pick, but i see no reasons why use first round pick for such player. Especially because most mocks don't have him picked before 40#.


My only "disagreement" here is that for the senior's, individual skill sets are matured. So a 40% threepoint shooter in college will have an NBA mid-range game. And 85% FT senior-shooter in college will have an NBA three point range. The "hype/upside" bubble for diaper-dandies drives me crazy. Having a 7'4" wingspan means nothing if you can't hold a basketball (hello Bamba).

But: and to get back to your point, if Practice and skills training is so important to one as a GM/PBO: don't draft a college senior; draft a Euroleague guy.

Example: Nolan Traore is only 18 and has been playing professional basketball since 2021. This is the sort of guy to draft over a Walter Clayton-type. It really is not a close call.


Thing is, average NCAA player's height is below 6'5. Average nba player is 6'7. It's simply way harder for scoring guards to score in nba than it is at college because people who guard them are taller, 3 point line is further away and players are better athletes and cover more ground, so self-shot creation requires more energy and more skill.

Payton Prichard here is often mentioned, in reality, prior to this year ,he was nothing but liability on defense and 3 point spot up shooter. There is good reason why they kept him for 4 years $30M contract as his salary doesn't pass top 200 highest payed. This year he is still mostly just 3 point shooter ( 8 out of 10,7 FGA are 3s) and among all of them 80% are assisted. So he still is spot up shooter first and foremost. But this year his 3 ball goes in at stupendous rate and is solid in pick&roll as ballhandler ( doesn't really score often in such setting ).
But let's be honest here, he is like 7th best player on team with 5 former and current all stars+ White he is MVP of role players.


We tend to forget that Cole, for example, as freshman averaged near 20-6-4. Wasn't efficient, but could fill stat sheet. In nba he, much like majority of scoring guards with limited size, struggles to get good looks on regular bases. That is case for like 99% of nba scoring guards who don't have crazy ballhandling, crazy burst or crazy speed or self-creation that is on some epic level. Often you need all of those skills to be top tear nba guard.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#448 » by basketballRob » Mon Mar 31, 2025 8:08 am

pepe1991 wrote:
drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Being senior also isn't positive either. Those players are more mature, older and simply better prepared for college than freshmen they often face.
Also very, very, very few college players are ready to contribute right away. Including seniors.

From 2018- present day only 12-14 players who are seniors were taken in first round. Edey being only one selected in lottery i believe.
Post 2016 draft with 3 seniors in lottery- Hield, Valentine , Prince, after Kaminsky 2015 & McDermott back to back epic fails in lottery, teams sobered up. Desmond Bane being one of few good players.


As for replacing Cole, i think you are overvaluing what you see at college. We had this situation with both Okeke and this year Da Silva. They supposed to be "nba ready" players, Okeke got hurt, okey, but he didn't play in nba until he was 22-23 y.o. And he flat out sucked, as nothing from college translated.
Da Silva is even better example. Good college team, 3 nba players , 16 ppg. 23 years old, sold as "ready to contribute", and yet, look at his nba season. 7 ppg, 52% TS, his shot didn't translate, his defense is average at best. He actually plays worst and less with every new month, now sitting at 4 ppg & 34% FG in March.


Even Edey experience is all over the place. They don't play him in 4th quarters, they benched him couple of games ago, vs Cavs he played 17 min because he couldn't defend pick&roll, vs Blazers he had 5 fouls in 10 min. At college, 7'3, guy was God among peasants.

I don't mind Clayton, nor anybody else really with second pick, but i see no reasons why use first round pick for such player. Especially because most mocks don't have him picked before 40#.


My only "disagreement" here is that for the senior's, individual skill sets are matured. So a 40% threepoint shooter in college will have an NBA mid-range game. And 85% FT senior-shooter in college will have an NBA three point range. The "hype/upside" bubble for diaper-dandies drives me crazy. Having a 7'4" wingspan means nothing if you can't hold a basketball (hello Bamba).

But: and to get back to your point, if Practice and skills training is so important to one as a GM/PBO: don't draft a college senior; draft a Euroleague guy.

Example: Nolan Traore is only 18 and has been playing professional basketball since 2021. This is the sort of guy to draft over a Walter Clayton-type. It really is not a close call.


Thing is, average NCAA player's height is below 6'5. Average nba player is 6'7. It's simply way harder for scoring guards to score in nba than it is at college because people who guard them are taller, 3 point line is further away and players are better athletes and cover more ground, so self-shot creation requires more energy and more skill.

Payton Prichard here is often mentioned, in reality, prior to this year ,he was nothing but liability on defense and 3 point spot up shooter. There is good reason why they kept him for 4 years $30M contract as his salary doesn't pass top 200 highest payed. This year he is still mostly just 3 point shooter ( 8 out of 10,7 FGA are 3s) and among all of them 80% are assisted. So he still is spot up shooter first and foremost. But this year his 3 ball goes in at stupendous rate and is solid in pick&roll as ballhandler ( doesn't really score often in such setting ).
But let's be honest here, he is like 7th best player on team with 5 former and current all stars+ White he is MVP of role players.
I think part of the reason Pritchard became a good player is that he's physically strong. Cole may be the same height but has narrow shoulders and is weak. Pritchard is listed as 1" shorter than Cole and 20 lbs heavier.

Clayton Jr. looks physically bigger than Cole and is listed as 10 lbs heavier.



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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#449 » by KillMonger » Mon Mar 31, 2025 9:12 am

keep an eye on him....Very solid 3&D prospect with some nice passing chops

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Post#450 » by drsd » Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:36 am

pepe1991 wrote:Payton Prichard here is often mentioned, in reality, prior to this year ,he was nothing but liability on defense and 3 point spot up shooter. There is good reason why they kept him for 4 years $30M contract as his salary doesn't pass top 200 highest payed. This year he is still mostly just 3 point shooter ( 8 out of 10,7 FGA are 3s) and among all of them 80% are assisted. So he still is spot up shooter first and foremost. But this year his 3 ball goes in at stupendous rate and is solid in pick&roll as ballhandler ( doesn't really score often in such setting ).
But let's be honest here, he is like 7th best player on team with 5 former and current all stars+ White he is MVP of role players.


As usually, I agree with every pixel.

Let's same I am some random NBA GM: do I take Prichard or Caruso? VERY easy choice. Alex is a MUCH better, much more complete player. And both should not be starters.


If I was gonna look at "some random dude" that has shocked me this last 5-years, it is easily Austin Reaves. Every generation has a random "Jeff Hornacek". And Reaves is that now. He is for me BY FAR the most valuable MLE guy in the league. And that he is playing for his "home team", he will keep taking MLE deals, underpaid, to, well, WIN A F**K load of titles. Lakers for life, and all that.

Do I love Reaves? Yes. Will he ever be a Magician? No.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#451 » by pepe1991 » Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:20 pm

drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Payton Prichard here is often mentioned, in reality, prior to this year ,he was nothing but liability on defense and 3 point spot up shooter. There is good reason why they kept him for 4 years $30M contract as his salary doesn't pass top 200 highest payed. This year he is still mostly just 3 point shooter ( 8 out of 10,7 FGA are 3s) and among all of them 80% are assisted. So he still is spot up shooter first and foremost. But this year his 3 ball goes in at stupendous rate and is solid in pick&roll as ballhandler ( doesn't really score often in such setting ).
But let's be honest here, he is like 7th best player on team with 5 former and current all stars+ White he is MVP of role players.


As usually, I agree with every pixel.

Let's same I am some random NBA GM: do I take Prichard or Caruso? VERY easy choice. Alex is a MUCH better, much more complete player. And both should not be starters.


If I was gonna look at "some random dude" that has shocked me this last 5-years, it is easily Austin Reaves. Every generation has a random "Jeff Hornacek". And Reaves is that now. He is for me BY FAR the most valuable MLE guy in the league. And that he is playing for his "home team", he will keep taking MLE deals, underpaid, to, well, WIN A F**K load of titles. Lakers for life, and all that.

Do I love Reaves? Yes. Will he ever be a Magician? No.


But unlike Reaves, Prichard prior this season was 7 ppg bench player. Reaves was 12 ppg player and started half of a games.

And Reaves actually has player's option after 25-26 where he will look to bank on his skillset.

Pricahard has flat 4 years $30M, by the time he hits FA, he will be 31, at his questionable 6 -foot-nothing, it's still crap job his agent pulled. Maybe he just wants to win, who knows. But most players would prefer being on some Wizards for $20M over winning title for $6M.

I don't know, i think Prichard did have better offers, why he turned them down? Who knows.
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Post#452 » by Idiosyncratic » Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:08 pm

KillMonger wrote:Any thoughts on Thomas haugh? Initially the film is intriguing, I like the energy he plays with

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High-end glue guy IMO. I think good teams with stars in place especially would consider him in the 1st.

I don't think he will come out though. If guys like him are coming out this draft is extremely deep, but I imagine a lot will go back to school. Bennnett Stirtz for example is already going to transfer to Iowa.
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Post#453 » by Idiosyncratic » Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:24 pm

One thing I will say about Pritchard is he always showed some self-creation flashes and the Celtics saw him in practice every day so they knew better than anyone that he was worth extending. That could be a small benefit to drafting someone that has to sit a year or two and learn, it keeps their price down and could allow you to extend for a bargain. Happens often with 2nd round picks especially since they have the shorter guarantee.

A lot of the current bargain contracts feel like they were extended after being 2nd round picks or undrafted : Aaron Wiggins, Reaves, Gafford, Herb Jones, Hauser, Isaiah Joe, Naz Reid, Nembhard... Mavs had Finney-Smith at 3/12 on his initial extension. Not to mention all of the guys on their rookie contracts still.

Like we are often only going to have the MLE in free agency basically going forward and money for near minimum guys. Gotta find ways to add rotation players in other ways. Trades need to happen yes, but you have to match salary and lose a pick (or more), so each trade you are creating another future hole and can't go over the cap to replace it in free agency like you can extending your own guys. Going to have to be some finds in the draft or more lucky Goga finds at least.
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Post#454 » by RookieStar » Mon Mar 31, 2025 9:42 pm

As much as I like Broome for our pick ( assuming he really is 6'10), I gotta get worried with all his injuries... first its legs now its elbows/arms

I mean... we better have a clean bill of health from him otherwise he is gonna be a very expensive seat warmer.
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Post#455 » by yoyojw17 » Wed Apr 2, 2025 3:18 am

Man.... Maluach is listed as having a standing reach greater than Wemby.

Wish we were in a place to get him.

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Post#456 » by KillMonger » Wed Apr 2, 2025 3:26 am

A Center with no jumpshot in 2025 isn't that appealing to me, all it does it clog up the paint
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Post#457 » by KillMonger » Wed Apr 2, 2025 10:22 am

Nbadraft.net
1st round
Nolan Traore
Liam Mcneely
2nd round
Adou thiero
vladislav Goldin

Tankathon
1st round
Nolan Traore
Yaxel Landeborg
2nd round
Darrion Williams
Tomislav Ivisic

Bleacher Report
1st round
Carter Bryant
Rasheer Fleming
2nd round
Boogie Fland
Eric Dixon

Sports Illustrated
1st round
Liam Mcneely
JT Toppin
2nd round
Walter Clayton
Sion James
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Post#458 » by VFX » Wed Apr 2, 2025 8:19 pm

Spoiler:
PF :
Paolo : 35mpg - not getting moved
Isaac : 15mpg - negative asset - 4 years under contract not getting moved unless in a larger package

F:
da Silva : 20mpg - 3 years left under rookie contract likely not getting moved due to value
Houstan : 13mpg - 1 year left on contract not getting moved unless in a package deal as expiring

SF:
Franz : 35mpg - not getting moved

Wing:
Pope : 30mpg - 2 years left on contract - was just signed this past offseason - likely not getting moved
Black : 24mpg - 2 years left under rookie contract likely not getting moved due to value
Harris : 15mpg - 1 year left on contract likely to get moved to contender
Jett : 10mpg - 2 years left on rookie contract - likely not an nba player not getting moved unless in a larger package

Guard:
Suggs : 30mpg - 5 years left on contract - likely not getting moved
Cole : 18mpg - 2 years left on contract - potential to be moved
CJ : 10mpg - 1 year left on contract - not getting moved unless in a package deal as expiring

Not doing Centers. There are 3 and 2 are movable between Goga and Carter. I dont believe Wagner would be moved for a number of reasons.


Unless you believe Weltman, who hasn't made a trade in 4 years, is going to start moving players this offseason in droves, then there are zero minutes available at either wing or forward position. One of these picks should be traded if they dont trade up.

Point guard is Orlando's most needed position followed by Center with the caveat that 1 or 2 are moved.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#459 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Apr 3, 2025 11:10 am

KillMonger wrote:A Center with no jumpshot in 2025 isn't that appealing to me, all it does it clog up the paint


Well.... There aren't too many of those either. Would love for him to be able to do so too. But if he makes our defense the ultimate wall... In for it.

And on offense.... If thar pick and role is as good as they say.... And we actually utilize the lob threat, and he offensive rebounds and puts back.... Then he will have his offensive value as well.

But yeah ... We would see if he can learn to shoot too. Haha
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft 

Post#460 » by pepe1991 » Thu Apr 3, 2025 11:53 am

Reforging defense makes no sense given context of where team is at. It would be another KCP level mistake.

4th worst offensive rating
worst 3 point shooting team
second lowest 3 FGA
lowest 3FG made
Crappy assist/TO rate

Maluach, from pure skill level is on level of 12 years old player. He can't handle ball with his left at all, his long range shooting is virtually non existent, his passing is Bamba level bad. God forbid ever putting ball on floor. Guy is lob& putback treat. Virtually nothing else.
Even most rim runners don't get 1 lob a game, majority of rim running Cs average like 0,6 FGM form lobs a game. Like, Jarret Allen last year took 830 FGA and only 46 were lob shots (519 made total, 36 were lobs).
It's such a situational and niche skill to target that it simply isn't worth targeting.
Missi drew some interest as a rookie this year as carbon copy of Maluach as prospect ( very long, athletic C who catches lobs) . Wanna hear some numbers of Missi?
-12,3 net rating ( second worst on a team, one of worst in nba) , 57% TS, team playing better defense without him. In reality guy gets outplayed by Karlo Matkovic, 52th pick who simply makes less mistakes (and has one of best net ratings on a team, and also is more efficient offensive player). Neither are starting level players in nba any time soon, or probably ever.


Besides, how many Cs Magic needs without having single starting level C? Goga, Isaac, Mortiz, Carter are all backup level Cs. Maluach would be 5th backup.
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