Tank Watch 2025

[eyeatoma]

Two games back (ahead) of #4 Pels now. Lose out and we can get it!!!

Maxey being back in action for that last Wizards game is a real, potential, turd in the punchbowl.

It would be asinine to do that given the risk of injury to your franchise player.

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[Sixersftw]

Being active in the tank is an eye-opening reminder of how flawed the NBA is right now. Tanking goes against what being a fan should be about: we should be rooting for wins, rather than losses. Yeah, I also want them to lose (just like I did a decade back), but it doesn’t sit comfortably with me. Rather than focusing on court designs etc, Silver needs to look at ways to make the brand more competitive. He needs to look at flattening the odds more (not substantially) and perhaps making it top 5 so that the team finishing last could potentially fall to #6.

Top five are disqualified from next year’s playoffs. Not a big deal for a team like the Wizards, but would be devastating for competing teams who had an injury issue and just committed to tanking (us).

I think that would be a hard sell without a soccer like relegation It would create a real optics and financial problem for the league. Assume we don't have Philadelphian luck and Embiid comes back at "normal" strength and we hit Flagg. That would be a top team where you're going to miss out on playoff, merchandise, and advertising revenue. Also, since we are a revenue generating team, that would hit the pockets of the poorer franchises which is one of the reasons the process got so much **** to begin with, where as Presti can tank all the live long day.

[eyeatoma]

Two games back (ahead) of #4 Pels now. Lose out and we can get it!!!

Pelicans have the 7th toughest remaining schedule. Should we be rooting for them to beat the Nets?

Yes

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[Negrodamus]

Being active in the tank is an eye-opening reminder of how flawed the NBA is right now. Tanking goes against what being a fan should be about: we should be rooting for wins, rather than losses. Yeah, I also want them to lose (just like I did a decade back), but it doesn’t sit comfortably with me. Rather than focusing on court designs etc, Silver needs to look at ways to make the brand more competitive. He needs to look at flattening the odds more (not substantially) and perhaps making it top 5 so that the team finishing last could potentially fall to #6.

Top five are disqualified from next year’s playoffs. Not a big deal for a team like the Wizards, but would be devastating for competing teams who had an injury issue and just committed to tanking (us).

I think that would be a hard sell without a soccer like relegation It would create a real optics and financial problem for the league. Assume we don't have Philadelphian luck and Embiid comes back at "normal" strength and we hit Flagg. That would be a top team where you're going to miss out on playoff, merchandise, and advertising revenue. Also, since we are a revenue generating team, that would hit the pockets of the poorer franchises which is one of the reasons the process got so much **** to begin with, where as Presti can tank all the live long day.

Having Embiid playing with Flagg in the playoffs may be good for revenue, but we’re currently in the throes of our fan base not caring about this season other than the tanking sicko fans like the ones on this board. It’s also bad for the NBA, particularly at the end of the season. Every top five team should be focused on, at minimum, a two year rebuild. Creating fake injuries or overinflating injuries in the name of tanking for a top pick kills any interest from the fan base.


It’s not a punishment; if you get a stud and win 30 games next year, you’ll be good to make the playoffs the following year. If we’re being real, there’s no possibility of a team barely squeaking into the playoffs and actually contending.

[LordCovington33]

Being active in the tank is an eye-opening reminder of how flawed the NBA is right now. Tanking goes against what being a fan should be about: we should be rooting for wins, rather than losses. Yeah, I also want them to lose (just like I did a decade back), but it doesn’t sit comfortably with me. Rather than focusing on court designs etc, Silver needs to look at ways to make the brand more competitive. He needs to look at flattening the odds more (not substantially) and perhaps making it top 5 so that the team finishing last could potentially fall to #6.

Top five are disqualified from next year’s playoffs. Not a big deal for a team like the Wizards, but would be devastating for competing teams who had an injury issue and just committed to tanking (us).

I think that would be a hard sell without a soccer like relegation It would create a real optics and financial problem for the league. Assume we don't have Philadelphian luck and Embiid comes back at "normal" strength and we hit Flagg. That would be a top team where you're going to miss out on playoff, merchandise, and advertising revenue. Also, since we are a revenue generating team, that would hit the pockets of the poorer franchises which is one of the reasons the process got so much **** to begin with, where as Presti can tank all the live long day.

Yep. The league is about making money. It wouldn’t be accepted by the governors. Plus there would be a massive number of players seeking trades, making those losing teams even less competitive. If we go down that “disqualified” route, perhaps the teams with the top 3 picks are disqualified from getting a top 4 (or top 5 with my earlier suggestion) the year after.

[LordCovington33]

Two games back (ahead) of #4 Pels now. Lose out and we can get it!!!

Pelicans have the 7th toughest remaining schedule. Should we be rooting for them to beat the Nets?

Yes

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Messages received. If we end up with the fifth worst record, there’s also a good chance we fall to 7th. At least based on pressing SIM lottery many times. Haha Live by the sword, die by sword.

[FlyingArrow]

Just checking over our remaining games... and I'm sure most of you already realize, but we are playing a bunch of teams with high motivation to win.

New York - doesn't really need to win or lose. Very unlikely to change their seed regardless, but there's still too much season left for them to bench their starters.

Milwaukee, Minnesota, Miami, Atlanta, Chicago - They are all fighting for seeds.

The only team on our schedule without motivation to win is Washington, who is battling Utah for the bottom of the standings. That will be a tough one.

Odds are the same for bottom 3, long as you're there you golden.

True, but if you don't win the lottery, it may mean you draft 5th instead of 6th. Regardless - Washington has no incentive to win, even if they won't be tanking as much as us. That should be our only "winnable" game. In all of the others, the other team should be trying to win while we're trying to lose. Individual players, of course, are playing for their own careers and could mess things up, but things look good for us.

Brooklyn, on the other hand, plays Toronto, NO, and their last-day opponent is the Knicks. By then, the Knicks will have no incentive to win. That gives them three "winnable" games. And we're effectively two games below them already since we lose (and win by losing) the tiebreaker. Things are looking good, but we can't let up now.

[mjkvol]

Just checking over our remaining games... and I'm sure most of you already realize, but we are playing a bunch of teams with high motivation to win.

New York - doesn't really need to win or lose. Very unlikely to change their seed regardless, but there's still too much season left for them to bench their starters.

Milwaukee, Minnesota, Miami, Atlanta, Chicago - They are all fighting for seeds.

The only team on our schedule without motivation to win is Washington, who is battling Utah for the bottom of the standings. That will be a tough one.

The very bottom doesn't mean much, really. Don't the bottom three seeds have the same ping pong ball %, or is that only for the top pick?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I finally played the draft simulator thing and I wish I never clicked on it. I played it 20 times...We kept our pick ten out of those 20 attempts and that's with us in the fifth spot.

[eyeatoma]

I finally played the draft simulator thing and I wish I never clicked on it. I played it 20 times...We kept our pick ten out of those 20 attempts and that's with us in the fifth spot.

This is why I'm saying we need to go for the 4th.

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[Foshan]

I actually don’t think the tanking is that bad. Every league has bad teams, the season is just so long we feel it a little worse.

I think an idea might be like the reciprocal of the luxury tax, where the more years you are in the bottom 5 recording, the progressively less money you get from the revenue sharing. The way the draft/acquiring stars work, it is probably okay for a team to take the hit for a year or two for the talent, after that…

[the_process]

I finally played the draft simulator thing and I wish I never clicked on it. I played it 20 times...We kept our pick ten out of those 20 attempts and that's with us in the fifth spot.

I just rolled 10 times, kept the pick 7 times, and got Cooper Flagg 3 times.

Really, really hoping the Pelicans eke out two more wins and the Sixers lose out.

[sixers hoops]

Pelicans have the 7th toughest remaining schedule. Should we be rooting for them to beat the Nets?

Yes

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Messages received. If we end up with the fifth worst record, there’s also a good chance we fall to 7th. At least based on pressing SIM lottery many times. Haha Live by the sword, die by sword.

I don’t worry about it too much. Teams will win unexpected games so let’s see how things play out. If Nets beat the Mavs and go up two games on us, then I would def hope the Pels win though. Right now, we have no control and either outcome is good. AD coming back and giving the Mavs some life wasn’t ideal for getting a Nets win.

I do think the Sixers get another win. If Brooklyn loses out and we win another game, we definitely could drop to 6th. I doubt the Pels catch us if we get that additional win, so the Nets beating them has some value.

[sixers hoops]

I finally played the draft simulator thing and I wish I never clicked on it. I played it 20 times...We kept our pick ten out of those 20 attempts and that's with us in the fifth spot.

This is why I'm saying we need to go for the 4th.

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Everybody knows that the 4th gives us better odds than the 5th. Are you receiving a lot of pushback on that idea? They’re holding Grimes out for rest, and haven’t played Maxey in two months. Of course they want to “go for it,” but it is mostly out of our hands. We waited too long to shut things down. We can watch some games with Pels hats on, but there isn’t many other ways to go for it. Pels management likely doesn’t want to win more than us and they won’t be favored in many more games. It’s still possible though.

The only move I see left is pulling Grimes and anybody else playing well in 4th quarters. The league fines teams for not playing healthy players in certain situations, but they can’t challenge a coach on in-game decisions. Raps are trying to lose by limiting starters mins. It’s just that their schedule is so easy, they can’t help it.

[MVP1992]

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[sixers hoops]

We'd need to be a game clear in 4th. Highly unlikely.

If it's tied, it's a coin flip as to who stays in 4th & who moves to 5th.

Imagine that. Pull off a world-class late start tank and have luck enough to tie at 4th.
Lose the 50/50 and drop back to fifth.
Balls drop and we get 7th pick :/ womp womp.

I assumed they just split the odds. I’ll take a coin flip. If worst case scenario is the 5th, but we have a shot at the 4th odds, that’s pretty good considering where we currently sit. Right now, we very well could end up in a coin flip with Brooklyn, so a coin flip with Pels would be a positive outcome.

[Arsenal]

We'd need to be a game clear in 4th. Highly unlikely.

If it's tied, it's a coin flip as to who stays in 4th & who moves to 5th.

Imagine that. Pull off a world-class late start tank and have luck enough to tie at 4th.
Lose the 50/50 and drop back to fifth.
Balls drop and we get 7th pick :/ womp womp.

No it's not a coin flip if there's a tie at 4th. The teams split the #4 and #5 odds evenly in that case. There's only a coin flip if there is one extra ping pong ball to allocate instead of a perfectly even amount to split.

Which means tying for #4 is much better than staying at #5. That's why we need to lose every damn game to end the season.

[Slacktard]

We'd need to be a game clear in 4th. Highly unlikely.

If it's tied, it's a coin flip as to who stays in 4th & who moves to 5th.

Imagine that. Pull off a world-class late start tank and have luck enough to tie at 4th.
Lose the 50/50 and drop back to fifth.
Balls drop and we get 7th pick :/ womp womp.

I assumed they just split the odds. I’ll take a coin flip. If worst case scenario is the 5th, but we have a shot at the 4th odds, that’s pretty good considering where we currently sit. Right now, we very well could end up in a coin flip with Brooklyn, so a coin flip with Pels would be a positive outcome.

Split odds is how it works. So say two teams tied for 5th and 5th place was 100 chances, 6th was 90 chances. Each team would get 95 chances.

[Sixersftw]

We'd need to be a game clear in 4th. Highly unlikely.

If it's tied, it's a coin flip as to who stays in 4th & who moves to 5th.

Imagine that. Pull off a world-class late start tank and have luck enough to tie at 4th.
Lose the 50/50 and drop back to fifth.
Balls drop and we get 7th pick :/ womp womp.

I assumed they just split the odds. I’ll take a coin flip. If worst case scenario is the 5th, but we have a shot at the 4th odds, that’s pretty good considering where we currently sit. Right now, we very well could end up in a coin flip with Brooklyn, so a coin flip with Pels would be a positive outcome.

Split odds is how it works. So say two teams tied for 5th and 5th place was 100 chances, 6th was 90 chances. Each team would get 95 chances.

The coinflip was the old NFL rule right? For some reason I had a coinflip in my head too.

[MVP1992]

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