2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[Revived]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

You can’t simply just buy a championship in the NBA. There needs to be strategy and tactics behind the spending.

And no I’m not gonna give him credit just because he’s willing to spend. James Dolan was always willing to spend but his issue was that he was always too involved and picked the wrong people to lead. Yet Knicks fans still hated him and rightfully so. Only now did Dolan finally learn to back off.

And please don’t forget that Matt Ishbia is a Grade A scumbag that thinks he’s better and smarter than everyone else and all other teams. You can watch this clip below if you want further confirmation.

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^thats what zero accountability sounds like. Guy is a scumbag that thinks he can just throw money on it to cover it up. I wouldn’t be shocked if Ishbia ran for politics in the near future, he has all the characteristics of certain type of politicians in the United States currently.

[BobbieL]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

But the Durant trade - at the time, was a HORRIBLE trade
It was horrible because by all accounts it was emotional and not analytical
There was one team Durant wanted to go too. The trade should have not been 4 FRPs, but only two. It should not have included Bridges
He made a lousy trade and he has compounded it by making more lousy trades

So yes, he spent money but the end result is 26 months from the trade, the team is so much worse.

Now, what does he do? Does he double down on stupid and reckless or does he get smart
We shall see the next 30, 60, 90 days

[Calvin Klein]

People who don't want tanking need to understand that tanking was going to happen sooner rather than later the moment they traded everything for Durant and Beal! This is the FO/owners' fault. There is no other option and they made it happen. As soon as they traded everything for Durant, they basically guaranteed the tank in a couple of seasons. They are just too incompetent and will never admit they **** up.

Also, sorry but if you really thought Durant/Booker/Beal were winning a championship you are seriously deluded.

[BobbieL]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

You can’t simply just buy a championship in the NBA. There needs to be strategy and tactics behind the spending.

And no I’m not gonna give him credit just because he’s willing to spend. James Dolan was always willing to spend but his issue was that he was always too involved and picked the wrong people to lead. Yet Knicks fans still hated him and rightfully so. Only now did Dolan finally learn to back off.

And please don’t forget that Matt Ishbia is a Grade A scumbag that thinks he’s better and smarter than everyone else and all other teams. You can watch this clip below if you want further confirmation.

Read on Twitter

^thats what zero accountability sounds like. Guy is a scumbag that thinks he can just throw money on it to cover it up. I wouldn’t be shocked if Ishbia ran for politics in the near future, he has all the characteristics of certain type of politicians in the United States currently.

I don't know if he is a scumbag or anything
I do think you are right, he thinks money can just buy a championship
The new CBA really changed things and that happened post-Durant. And yet he still made the Ayton and Beal trades.

The next 90 days will tell the story of Mat Ishbia and the Suns
Either he quadruples down on stupid wrecking the team for the next decade
Or he gives them a chance to be relevant at some point in the next 5 years

[Ghost of Kleine]

The thing with Ishbia is this...................

- Is he a scumbag? I really don't know.
- Do I hate him as a person, not at all.
- Do I hate his basketball decisions and very limited acceptance of reality? Absolutely.
- Am I mad at his willingness to spend, absolutely not! It's an admirable trait that's very refreshing after Scrooge McSarver and his super parsimonious mentality.

The underlying yet very glaring issues are that Ishbia made all of those decisions based on impulse and compulsive needs to flaunt his money in trying to show how big, important, and brilliant he is when none of that really matters in the grand scheme of things!

He made this very shortsighted decisions out of a narcissistic need to feed his ego and make big splashy move after big splashy move without ever considering how it would work or the very obvious consequences of those flashy moves.

Just because a move is big, flashy and controversial doesn't make it good. The biggest problem that I have with Ishbia is his narcissistic compulsive egoist mentality ignoring everything and everyone to try and prove how smart he is instead of listening to all of the actual life long NBA experts, or even letting the professionals advise him towards better choices.

All of his decisions were made compulsively and to flaunt his power and wealth instead of making thorough reflective assessments on where the league is trending, the wide scale obvious blueprints for success bring laid out before him with OKC, Houston, Memphis, Cleveland, New York, etc.

Also, the CBA which everyone seemed to have knowledge of an understand and plan for aside from Ishbia who ignored everyone's warnings about it! He doubled down and challenged it directly! And now we're experiencing the consequences of his ego driven moves. And the biggest, most egregious red flag should have been Isiah Thomas.

This is interesting because of how Dolan ruined the Knicks for so long, and Isiah Thomas was there too! He's the constant in this horrific scenario. A true basketball fan would've understood that an aging injury prone superteam with mo athleticism, no size, no assets would be an enormous failure in this current NBA climate.

And even a walkon player like Ishbia should've had and understanding of basic basketball building concepts. But Ishbia ignores everything and behaves like he's the smartest person in the room and the biggest deal because he's wealthy! But obviously he isn't the smartest basketball mind in the room or anywhere really. And his money doesn't matter when there's strict rules and actual strategy involved in building a legit contender.

Everything Ishbia has done speaks to his ego and need for attention and adulation rather than the best interest of the teams' success and long term viability. He's craving attention through shock and awe! But the shock and awe has come from the lack of any thought and planning is never good!!!

[Calvin Klein]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

You can’t simply just buy a championship in the NBA. There needs to be strategy and tactics behind the spending.

And no I’m not gonna give him credit just because he’s willing to spend. James Dolan was always willing to spend but his issue was that he was always too involved and picked the wrong people to lead. Yet Knicks fans still hated him and rightfully so. Only now did Dolan finally learn to back off.

And please don’t forget that Matt Ishbia is a Grade A scumbag that thinks he’s better and smarter than everyone else and all other teams. You can watch this clip below if you want further confirmation.

Read on Twitter

^thats what zero accountability sounds like. Guy is a scumbag that thinks he can just throw money on it to cover it up. I wouldn’t be shocked if Ishbia ran for politics in the near future, he has all the characteristics of certain type of politicians in the United States currently.

Matty the day after the Durant trade.

Watch on YouTube

[Saberestar]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

Yeah, that's what you want from an owner. He is putting all the resources in place to put this franchise at the top. It's not working for now, but the intentions are great.

[BobbieL]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

Yeah, that's what you want from an owner. He is putting all the resources in place to put this franchise at the top. It's not working for now, but the intentions are great.

But at some point, have to look in the mirror and say "this isn't working." And its not working
So does he quadruple down with arrogance or does he take a different course.

[bwgood77]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

Spending money doesn't necessarily win you anything. I'm not saying be cheap, but often times the highest payrolls are old teams clinging on to old stars. The teams that build through the draft and stuff are typically more athletic, better defensively, have players on good contracts mostly, and they control those players for like 8 or 9 years at a reasonable cost. When you are trying to build through throwing money around, to get a star player, you have to spend like $50 million for a star, because they will have 10 years in the league already out of their first two contracts and will probably be making the max or near it. And they will be more injury prone.

No one wants a cheap owner, but we do want the money spent wisely.

[Calvin Klein]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

Yeah, that's what you want from an owner. He is putting all the resources in place to put this franchise at the top. It's not working for now, but the intentions are great.

By resources you mean money? because to me putting all the resources in place means hiring competent people and letting them do their job.

Nobody outside of a few Suns fans think Ishbia has been a good owner. Nobody takes him seriously.

Try to see what people outside this board say about the Suns and Ishbia.

[sunsbg]

Ishbia has said multiple times that money follows success. Now with no success he probably starts spending a bit wiser and hopefully hires people who know what they are doing.

[Saberestar]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

Yeah, that's what you want from an owner. He is putting all the resources in place to put this franchise at the top. It's not working for now, but the intentions are great.

By resources you mean money? because to me putting all the resources in place means hiring competent people and letting them do their job.

Nobody outside of a few Suns fans think Ishbia has been a good owner. Nobody takes him seriously.

Try to see what people outside this board say about the Suns and Ishbia.

Having again a G-League team wasn't a good move? Making Suns games available on local television for free wasn't a good move? Putting Amare and Marion in the Ring of Honor? And the list goes on and on...

And you didn't think that Budenholzer was a good signing?

[Calvin Klein]

Yeah, that's what you want from an owner. He is putting all the resources in place to put this franchise at the top. It's not working for now, but the intentions are great.

By resources you mean money? because to me putting all the resources in place means hiring competent people and letting them do their job.

Nobody outside of a few Suns fans think Ishbia has been a good owner. Nobody takes him seriously.

Try to see what people outside this board say about the Suns and Ishbia.

Having again a G-League team wasn't a good move? Making Suns games available on local television for free wasn't a good move? Putting Amare and Marion in the Ring of Honor? And the list goes on and on...

And you didn't think that Budenholzer was a good signing?

the list doesn't really go on though, does it?

[sunsbg]

By resources you mean money? because to me putting all the resources in place means hiring competent people and letting them do their job.

Nobody outside of a few Suns fans think Ishbia has been a good owner. Nobody takes him seriously.

Try to see what people outside this board say about the Suns and Ishbia.

Having again a G-League team wasn't a good move? Making Suns games available on local television for free wasn't a good move? Putting Amare and Marion in the Ring of Honor? And the list goes on and on...

And you didn't think that Budenholzer was a good signing?

the list doesn't really go on though, does it?

As if half of these moves have anything to do with winning. The others are questionable. Yes, Matty wants to be liked, we all know this. Unfortunately for him by now Saber is his only fan.

[Saberestar]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

Yeah, that's what you want from an owner. He is putting all the resources in place to put this franchise at the top. It's not working for now, but the intentions are great.

But at some point, have to look in the mirror and say "this isn't working." And its not working
So does he quadruple down with arrogance or does he take a different course.

At some point people need to understand that two years isn't a long time. Ishbia arrived and made the KD trade and that season we played better and went to the 2nd round losing against the Champions 4-2.

Next year 49 wins and lost 4-0 to the Wolves (Western Conference Finals).

This season just 35 wins and the team has been really disappointing. We will see how this ends but I am pretty sure that we will see multiple changes. It's not like we have been bad for 15 years lol.

[Saberestar]

By resources you mean money? because to me putting all the resources in place means hiring competent people and letting them do their job.

Nobody outside of a few Suns fans think Ishbia has been a good owner. Nobody takes him seriously.

Try to see what people outside this board say about the Suns and Ishbia.

Having again a G-League team wasn't a good move? Making Suns games available on local television for free wasn't a good move? Putting Amare and Marion in the Ring of Honor? And the list goes on and on...

And you didn't think that Budenholzer was a good signing?

the list doesn't really go on though, does it?

The list goes on and on...$100M the practice facility for the Mercury, the best one in all the WNBA.

Eating Monty Williams contract to hire Vogel and then doing the same to hire Budenholzer was great and not too many owners are willing to do it.

And what about getting Dunn and Oso at #28 and #40 in the daft?

He flopped against Jokic and we got 1 point in the playoffs because of him lol.

And so many more but if you want to ignore it it's your right to do it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually

Yeah, that's what you want from an owner. He is putting all the resources in place to put this franchise at the top. It's not working for now, but the intentions are great.

Is he, though, man? I mean, don't get me wrong here! I love his willingness to spend. But the results obviously tell a very different story than that! He hasn't hired the top front office professionals to run our front office. He hasn't even let the actual NBA experts do their job, hence the "very involved" (polite way of saying he meddles or micromanages). Also, arrogantly ignoring the current NBA trends and blueprints of successful teams atop the league and the clear, incredibly restrictive and punitive nature of the new CBA, and challenging all of these clear warnings with a narcissistic I"I know better than everyone else" mentality. And the results honestly speak more oppositionally to him NOT putting all of the resources in place to have our team at the top of the league. Perhaps at the top of the lottery soon, except with other teams capitalizing on our misfortune for the next half-decade or possibly much longer?

He may be a good guy in general, but obviously, he's obviously proven to be a low-key attention/validation-seeking compulsive narcissist when it comes to the decisions he's made around this team and how he's arrogantly behaved as is he's right and everyone else is wrong or hee's beyond the clear consequences. Best of intentions arguments really mean little when weighed against thee outcomes of the consequences he chose to deliberately ignore!

[Saberestar]

Shams

Phoenix Suns All-Star Kevin Durant is expected to miss at least one week through team's three-game road trip with a left ankle sprain, sources tell ESPN. Suns are 1.5 games out of Play-In with the toughest remaining schedule in the NBA.

[BobbieL]

Having again a G-League team wasn't a good move? Making Suns games available on local television for free wasn't a good move? Putting Amare and Marion in the Ring of Honor? And the list goes on and on...

And you didn't think that Budenholzer was a good signing?

the list doesn't really go on though, does it?

The list goes on and on...$100M the practice facility for the Mercury, the best one in all the WNBA.

Eating Monty Williams contract to hire Vogel and then doing the same to hire Budenholzer was great and not too many owners are willing to do it.

And what about getting Dunn and Oso at #28 and #40 in the daft?

He flopped against Jokic and we got 1 point in the playoffs because of him lol.

And so many more but if you want to ignore it it's your right to do it.

Good owner

Terrible GM

He needs to fire Jones
Hire a real GM
and let that GM make the decision on Booker -- cannot be emotional. It has to be based on analysis and reality.

[Calvin Klein]

Having again a G-League team wasn't a good move? Making Suns games available on local television for free wasn't a good move? Putting Amare and Marion in the Ring of Honor? And the list goes on and on...

And you didn't think that Budenholzer was a good signing?

the list doesn't really go on though, does it?

The list goes on and on...$100M the practice facility for the Mercury, the best one in all the WNBA.

Eating Monty Williams contract to hire Vogel and then doing the same to hire Budenholzer was great and not too many owners are willing to do it.

And what about getting Dunn and Oso at #28 and #40 in the daft?

He flopped against Jokic and we got 1 point in the playoffs because of him lol.

And so many more but if you want to ignore it it's your right to do it.

Come on man