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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1401 » by The Consiglieri » Mon Mar 31, 2025 8:54 pm

payitforward wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:...If Deni is on the roster, the team is going to be more efficent, period, if he's this good, approaching all star level good, is he going to flip a game or two or three in a scenario where we are fighting tooth and nail with the Jazz and Charlotte and even New Orleans for positioning this year, and next. YES. It does, and when I talk top 2, that's half the payoff, the other half, is the band between 1-5.

See my post just above, where I conclude that...

...based almost exclusively on adding Deni, Portland has gone from 21 wins last season to 32 wins with 7 games left -- i.e. likely a 35-win season. That's a 67% improvement in win total.

This admirable jump... seems to imply that, had we retained Deni, we would likely have experienced more or less the same 67% jump -- i.e. that right now we might well have @26 wins rather than 16. Our tank would have been significantly affected. We would have almost no chance of walking away from the '25 draft with Flag or Harper. We would be more likely to end as the 7th or 8th worst team (with Portland, NO, Utah, Charlotte, Philly, Brooklyn & maybe Toronto all worse than we).


The one reason I don't agree w/that take is that if you look through our results, we've basically played two games this year, as the wizards:

Wizards get their heads kicked in (78% of the time)
Wizards win (about 20-21% of the time)

There's not really an in between. I want to make the argument that Deni would have won us a ton more games, like the Blazers, but the truth is, our roster had a much lower floors than theirs this past year, and so there weren't a lot of games where it feels like things were winnable, looking at those final scores. Granted that's lazy analysis on my part (the shape and contours of a game with a much better, efficient, and seasoned Deni, as opposed to a pile of rookies, maybe inherently makes those games more contestable, and less likely to become blowouts, I can concede that could be possible), but I literally could not find ANY five point or fewer losses, other than two OT games, after they'd played like 60-65 games on the schedule and lost 50ish of them which is flat out nuts. Out of their first 50 or so losses, 48 were by more than 5 or 6 points and indeed nearly all were by more than 10.

So how much better could we be really? I think basically a best case scenario with Deni instead, right now is probably 19-55 to 21-53, but even 21 is probably stretching it. More likely we would have been somewhere between 18-20 wins total at this point, which would put us in the 3 slot, probably, going into the lottery, and that's a big deal to me, because it makes the chances of us in the crap 6-7 zone, a 1 in 3 possibility, and if we were a bit worse, and the Pelicans picked in front of us, suddenly there is a near 45% chance we're picking 6-7-8 which for me anyway, is a flat out catastrophe, because I remain convinced, we can find either a star, or a legit piece inside the top 5, and maybe at 6, though I'd start sweating, but really once you open up the door to 6-8 in this draft, it gets way, way, way more fuzzy to me (I know you disagree).
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1402 » by smoothSeph » Mon Mar 31, 2025 8:57 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:The Kings did that. They kept him to 24, 9 & 3 and only gave him 11 shots.

I good defensive team maybe? We could put a gameplan in for a player and it wouldn’t exactly work either.


I'd like to see a team attempt to take that away from him? This goes with the assumption they haven't. Breaking news, he's really good at it and it's hard to stop. That's why there's been several comparisons as him being a "Baby Lebron" in that capacity. He's also a 37% three point shooter over the past two seasons so you have to respect his shot. This year he's upped his volume considerably from deep too, so there's not even the low usage from three argument to be made anymore. He's also become one of the best guys in the league at drawing fouls. You make it seem like he's some guy that has never been scouted, a bit disingenuous there.

There's new excuses to why Deni is doing what he's doing each time a log into this discussion. Pretty interesting that some see so hell bent on embracing the obvious. That is, he's a damn good player.

It's almost like you ignored the first half of the sentence, "he's a beast at getting downhill." I've looked at all of his made buckets the past 10 games, teams are still not forcing him off his right hand nor is there help sitting when he has the ball. He's making the 3 pt shot definitely that's great.

I think Deni is a solid 3rd option. I don't think it's disingenuous to want to see him perform against great defenses before crowning him anything more. We'll see in the playoffs if they make it. Kinda funny this stretch still has the Blazers under .500 the past month, you'd think it was amounting to more winning.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1403 » by AFM » Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:23 pm

Derik Queen just signed a sponsorship with DAIRY QUEEN and yall are talkin about Danny Avdija??? DERIK "DAIRY QUEEN" QUEEN
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1404 » by payitforward » Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:38 pm

TheBlackCzar wrote:Stats don't tell the entire picture of how a guy plays..... You could have a bunch of efficient players, who don't have great handles, have limited shot charts, and aren't very agile, and most times they'd lose to a less efficient, athletic team of shot creators..... Analytics is just a tool, not the entire package....

"How a guy plays" is a fuzzy, basically meaningless idea. Guys are "efficient," because they have good handles, extensive shot charts, and high level of agility.

Moreover, for total clarity, a team wins a game BECAUSE it is efficient and/or BECAUSE it gets itself more possessions than the opponent. If you do both, you cannot lose -- it's mathematically impossible. If you do neither, you cannot win -- it's mathematically impossible.

"Analytics" is not a package of any kind. It is, as you say, a tool to understand reality. Simple analysis like the little paragraph just above this one are not optional. There isn't something else. You only win if you score more points than the opponent. You only score more points if you shoot more efficiently or have more chances to shoot. Nothing can make this false. It's true in every game of basketball for all its history all over the world. Period.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1405 » by dckingsfan » Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:42 pm

smoothSeph wrote:It's almost like you ignored the first half of the sentence, "he's a beast at getting downhill." I've looked at all of his made buckets the past 10 games, teams are still not forcing him off his right hand nor is there help sitting when he has the ball. He's making the 3 pt shot definitely that's great.

Wait, don't look at just one game. Look at the entire season. He is very crafty at starting left and going right again. He is also finishing with his left hand really well.

Also, it is really hard to stop him going downhill after a defensive rebound - hence his nickname "turbo".
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1406 » by dckingsfan » Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:44 pm

AFM wrote:Derik Queen just signed a sponsorship with DAIRY QUEEN and yall are talkin about Danny Avdija??? DERIK "DAIRY QUEEN" QUEEN

Man, if he gets drafted by another team - it will be an epic fail. We are going to have a DQQ drafted by XYZ team that is easily going to have more posts than this one!
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1407 » by AFM » Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:45 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
AFM wrote:Derik Queen just signed a sponsorship with DAIRY QUEEN and yall are talkin about Danny Avdija??? DERIK "DAIRY QUEEN" QUEEN

Man, if he gets drafted by another team - it will be an epic fail. We are going to have a DQQ drafted by XYZ team that is easily going to have more posts than this one!


I will be the CantOutSmartCrazy of that thread.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1408 » by dckingsfan » Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:46 pm

AFM wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
AFM wrote:Derik Queen just signed a sponsorship with DAIRY QUEEN and yall are talkin about Danny Avdija??? DERIK "DAIRY QUEEN" QUEEN

Man, if he gets drafted by another team - it will be an epic fail. We are going to have a DQQ drafted by XYZ team that is easily going to have more posts than this one!

I will be the CantOutSmartCrazy of that thread.

Damn, you beat me to it... okay, I will be the PIF of the thread. Too hard to do Nate's job.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1409 » by pancakes3 » Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:30 pm

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pancakes3 wrote:The knock on Deni was that he's inconsistent, and while he's great at going downhill, he rarely went downhill when he was here. There would be moments where he flashed his potential, and a string of games where he got to the rim but he would tweak an ankle, or get benched, or something would interrupt his flow.

Even now in Portland where he seemingly has put a lot of that together, there was still inconsistency, a stretch of injuries, and only really had a good March through about a dozen games where he's drawing fouls, nailing 3's, and playing consistent minutes/games. Blazers are 5-10 in their past 15 games, same as the 'zards.


"Inconsistency" is the argument people use when they can't come up with a good reason to criticize the player.

There is no evidence that Deni is any more inconsistent than any other good player. Yeah, he's not a first option scorer, so his scoring output is going to vary depending on the opposition's defensive scheme, but that's the truth with all second-option and third-option scorers. They take advantage of holes in the defense when teams sell out to stop the primary scorer. But if teams play straight up, then the primary scorer gets more shots.

Defensively and on the glass, Deni is about as consistent as forwards get.

And to criticize his "stretch of injuries" is also absurd. Deni has missed just 6 games this season. Over the last 4 seasons, Deni has missed just 13 games out of a possible 315. He has played the 9th most number of games in the league over those last 4 seasons. He is the 9th most durable player in the NBA. (And a couple of the guys ahead of him, like Niang, Looney and Valanciunas are bench players. Deni is actually the 6th most durable among full time starters.)


Ok, so we agree that the knock on him was his scoring inconsistency?

And I said he'd tweak his ankle or something and lose momentum, not that he's made of glass. He started this season pretty slow, scoring-wise. Got benched. Came alive after Christmas and played well through January. Tweaked his ankle and missed a week. Had a bad February, then had a quad issue, took a few games off, which probably also helped the ankle, and is having a great March.

My point was that he's doing great things recently, but the season has been INCONSISTENT. He hasn't been playing like he's been playing recently FOR THE FULL SEASON. I don't think that's controversial, or me just grasping for unwarranted reasons to criticize him. Thin slice: he's shooting 35% from 3 on the season, but 45% last month. Is he making the leap? Or is he just having a hot streak?

Because the conversation yall were having is that this is one of the worst trades of all time, implying that the 25/10/5 on 65% TS is going to be Deni going forward. I was just throwing a little water on that fire - not because I dislike him, but because he did something similar last season where he didn't look great a year ago in the wintertime but had a pretty darn good March/April in 2024.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1410 » by TheBlackCzar » Tue Apr 1, 2025 5:36 am

The Consiglieri wrote:
payitforward wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:...If Deni is on the roster, the team is going to be more efficent, period, if he's this good, approaching all star level good, is he going to flip a game or two or three in a scenario where we are fighting tooth and nail with the Jazz and Charlotte and even New Orleans for positioning this year, and next. YES. It does, and when I talk top 2, that's half the payoff, the other half, is the band between 1-5.

See my post just above, where I conclude that...

...based almost exclusively on adding Deni, Portland has gone from 21 wins last season to 32 wins with 7 games left -- i.e. likely a 35-win season. That's a 67% improvement in win total.

This admirable jump... seems to imply that, had we retained Deni, we would likely have experienced more or less the same 67% jump -- i.e. that right now we might well have @26 wins rather than 16. Our tank would have been significantly affected. We would have almost no chance of walking away from the '25 draft with Flag or Harper. We would be more likely to end as the 7th or 8th worst team (with Portland, NO, Utah, Charlotte, Philly, Brooklyn & maybe Toronto all worse than we).


The one reason I don't agree w/that take is that if you look through our results, we've basically played two games this year, as the wizards:

Wizards get their heads kicked in (78% of the time)
Wizards win (about 20-21% of the time)

There's not really an in between. I want to make the argument that Deni would have won us a ton more games, like the Blazers, but the truth is, our roster had a much lower floors than theirs this past year, and so there weren't a lot of games where it feels like things were winnable, looking at those final scores. Granted that's lazy analysis on my part (the shape and contours of a game with a much better, efficient, and seasoned Deni, as opposed to a pile of rookies, maybe inherently makes those games more contestable, and less likely to become blowouts, I can concede that could be possible), but I literally could not find ANY five point or fewer losses, other than two OT games, after they'd played like 60-65 games on the schedule and lost 50ish of them which is flat out nuts. Out of their first 50 or so losses, 48 were by more than 5 or 6 points and indeed nearly all were by more than 10.

So how much better could we be really? I think basically a best case scenario with Deni instead, right now is probably 19-55 to 21-53, but even 21 is probably stretching it. More likely we would have been somewhere between 18-20 wins total at this point, which would put us in the 3 slot, probably, going into the lottery, and that's a big deal to me, because it makes the chances of us in the crap 6-7 zone, a 1 in 3 possibility, and if we were a bit worse, and the Pelicans picked in front of us, suddenly there is a near 45% chance we're picking 6-7-8 which for me anyway, is a flat out catastrophe, because I remain convinced, we can find either a star, or a legit piece inside the top 5, and maybe at 6, though I'd start sweating, but really once you open up the door to 6-8 in this draft, it gets way, way, way more fuzzy to me (I know you disagree).



I know there end of game stats look bad but alot of games after 3 quarters were not blowouts.. They usually flamed out heavy in the 4th in a lot of games..... So Deni could've affected the tank adversely more than you are giving him credit for..
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1411 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Apr 1, 2025 12:21 pm

The adaption of excuses in this thread for a terrible trade is truly remarkable. Darwin would have skipped the Galapagos to study the giant leaps in evolution we've seen here over the last few months.

There was a reason for the outrage with this trade, let's not get the pictured muddled. Deni showed many instances of this kind of play last season, the first season he was allowed to actually not sit in the corner, barely touching the ball for two consecutive quarters. The outrage was because it wasn't hard to fathom that with continued chances to show his ability, he would continue to grow as a player to what he is now hence why it was iterated numerous times in this thread that he hadn't reached his peak even though that's what several implied, and that Dawkins sold high.

But you know what, I'm a glass half full today. I'll take it as a tacit admission of terrible trade evaluation that no one barely mentions the "haul" we got for him anymore. PIF is now using phrases such as "sizeable set of assets" for example to describe it as the 4th item on his lists of reasonings. :)
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1412 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Apr 1, 2025 12:37 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:Yeah, probably, I thought so at the time, tend to think even moreso now, I do think if we end up landing the 1st or 2nd this year, it will have been worth it, but I definitely felt at the time he should've been traded for '25 or a '26 first of a bad team, and another future first at minimum. Not happy w/what they got, but I still definitely think it could be worth it in time, but it will require luck in the lottery to be so (I absolutely believe if he had stayed we would currently have at best, the third best lottery odds, maybe 4th: 2 wins away from being tied with Charlote, 5 away from the Pelicans). One interesting detail I will freely admit discovering is that we have only two close losses, total, this season, which is rather odd. We tend to get our ---es thoroughly kicked, or win, and those two losses were in OT (at least as of a week ago).


Landing the first or second pick this year has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not this was a good trade, period. This zombie logic has got to die. You could have still tanked with Deni on the roster. Would they have maybe had to get a bit more creative, sit him out for some games, etc.? Sure. But if you can't figure that piece of the puzzle out, while still holding onto a major young talent, you don't deserve to be running an NBA franchise.


It's not gonna die. If Deni is on the roster, the team is going to be more efficent, period, if he's this good, approaching all star level good, is he going to flip a game or two or three in a scenario where we are fighting tooth and nail with the Jazz and Charlotte and even New Orleans for positioning this year, and next. YES. It does, and when I talk top 2, that's half the payoff, the other half, is the band between 1-5.


No reason why we couldn't have Lauri Markkanen'd with Deni on the roster, Jazz have the worst record in the league. Again if a front office can't engineer some creative tanking while keeping a young players with great upside, that's a organizational problem. Cardinal rule you don't jettison young talent to help tank. Old talent sure, not young talent.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1413 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Apr 1, 2025 12:39 pm

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smoothSeph wrote:I good defensive team maybe? We could put a gameplan in for a player and it wouldn’t exactly work either.


I'd like to see a team attempt to take that away from him? This goes with the assumption they haven't. Breaking news, he's really good at it and it's hard to stop. That's why there's been several comparisons as him being a "Baby Lebron" in that capacity. He's also a 37% three point shooter over the past two seasons so you have to respect his shot. This year he's upped his volume considerably from deep too, so there's not even the low usage from three argument to be made anymore. He's also become one of the best guys in the league at drawing fouls. You make it seem like he's some guy that has never been scouted, a bit disingenuous there.

There's new excuses to why Deni is doing what he's doing each time a log into this discussion. Pretty interesting that some see so hell bent on embracing the obvious. That is, he's a damn good player.

It's almost like you ignored the first half of the sentence, "he's a beast at getting downhill." I've looked at all of his made buckets the past 10 games, teams are still not forcing him off his right hand nor is there help sitting when he has the ball. He's making the 3 pt shot definitely that's great.

I think Deni is a solid 3rd option. I don't think it's disingenuous to want to see him perform against great defenses before crowning him anything more. We'll see in the playoffs if they make it. Kinda funny this stretch still has the Blazers under .500 the past month, you'd think it was amounting to more winning.


I dind't ignore it, you just glossed over it as if no one has tried to stop him getting to the rim. Also, Blazers have like 2nd or 3rd youngest roster in the league, they are still very much figuring things out. The West is a bloodbath too, Avdija alone isn't going to right the ship.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1414 » by doclinkin » Tue Apr 1, 2025 10:15 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
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CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Landing the first or second pick this year has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not this was a good trade, period. This zombie logic has got to die. You could have still tanked with Deni on the roster. Would they have maybe had to get a bit more creative, sit him out for some games, etc.? Sure. But if you can't figure that piece of the puzzle out, while still holding onto a major young talent, you don't deserve to be running an NBA franchise.


It's not gonna die. If Deni is on the roster, the team is going to be more efficient, period, if he's this good, approaching all star level good, is he going to flip a game or two or three in a scenario where we are fighting tooth and nail with the Jazz and Charlotte and even New Orleans for positioning this year, and next. YES. It does, and when I talk top 2, that's half the payoff, the other half, is the band between 1-5.


No reason why we couldn't have Lauri Markkanen'd with Deni on the roster, Jazz have the worst record in the league. Again if a front office can't engineer some creative tanking while keeping a young players with great upside, that's a organizational problem. Cardinal rule you don't jettison young talent to help tank. Old talent sure, not young talent.


There are potentially 2 big reasons why we couldn't. And their names are: Ted Leonsis. And Adam Silver.

We are already reading articles about how the competition committee is going to look at new ways to combat tanking. Clowns like Bill SImmons are openly advocating that Cooper Flagg return to school so as not to reward the Wiz and Utah. Despite our front office making it clear before the season we are in a developmental year for young players, the team gets held up as a laughingstock in national media as a fundamentally unserious franchise. Fans of other franchises and the talking heads want to punish the Wizards further simply for losing. But for most of the season we were not strictly tanking. Just playing out the strategy of fielding young players.

This is not Utah, we loaded up on youth yes, but we started the year playing heavy minutes with veterans Kuzma and Valanciunas. Kuzma was fundamental in our early loss record. We landed Brogdon and started him when he was healthy. Until we traded Kuzma we earned all our losses honestly. Actually trying to win most games, just overmatched. A large part of that was the fact that we played heavy minutes for 3 rookies and Bilal. If we kept Deni, we can't rely on Kuzma's bloated starter spot in the rotation. We don't have Carrington playing more minutes than any other rookie. Kyshawn and Bilal are taking a seat behind Deni since they all play the same role. We don't have Brogdon and his injury excuse for losing. Coach Keefe has not asked his players to do anything but try to win.

Then we shipped Kuzma and quickly saw a surge of energy and youth energy that actually won us a few games. Meanwhile Utah was openly nakedly flouting the league and bottoming out. Which forced our hand to promote GoGo players and back of bench players as starters. And to rest players who were earning wins for us.

The league is embarrassed though. It's all fine and good when a respected team like the Spurs successfully tanks their way to a savior. But it would be shameful if a perpetual loser of a franchise manages to dumpster dive its way to a franchise player. They're talking of any number of ways to 'fix' the lottery. Like: the 4th-7th worst teams get the top 4 picks. To encourage even the worst of the worst to try to fight it out at the end of the year. Who knows how they rig the game, but expect that in 2026 its going to be an even rougher road to the top of the lottery heap.

We have cover for whatever is next because we are playing young cats and they are trying hard. Just not experienced and skilled enough. Keeping Deni out of the line-up when he is playing well would be the exact sort of thing that provokes the league to drastic measures. This year would be bad enough. But if we somehow landed a top pick anyway, Deni + Cooper is enough to win games by accident. Add in development by youth and we are as likely to land 9-14 in the lottery as Top 8. Bye bye draft pick. It would be criminally irresponsible for a rebuilding team to lose an asset that critical. That's the franchise right there. Deni's career would have to be better than everybody drafted 1-8 in 2026 for it to be worth it.

And speaking of embarrassed. I alluded to it in the Beal thread but: How patient do you think Ted is going to be with the strategy of designed losses? This front office group has been transparent about intentionally playing heavy minutes for rookies and 2nd year players. We shipped crowd favorites Gafford and Deni expressly to be able to load up on the youth movement. We have been losing and the gate revenue has taken a hit. Meanwhile Ted took a high profile PR loss in trying to slip downriver to re-start the franchise in Virginia. He's been pretty quiet since then. Not smugly strutting in public media. Meanwhile his team is losing by bucketloads. And we are being clowned in the media, see above. Have to figure he'll hear about it in Governor's meetings, where he has often been loudly active. If he gets on the nerves of his hometown fans, you don't think his fellow governors would like to stick it to him? Pass rules that punish his team. And benefit themselves.

Keeping Deni means playing Deni. But Winger and Dawkins may not have unlimited leash. I think shipping Deni may have incidentally been something of a power play. Not intentional but significant. Tommy was jettisoned in part for his malpractice in dealing with the Rui/Deni situation. We lost our Japanese market because he couldn't find a way to play them both, so shipped Rui for pennies on the dollar. WInger and Dawkins were told he would be hands off and they could do whatever they wanted. So they promptly booted his 2nd son Beal. Then homegrown boychik Deni. Nothing else says 'new regime' like this. In the past we held onto our homegrown talent for far too long, hoping that we'd be given hometown discounts or be respected by free agents for our loyalty. This was not that. Give them credit for going against Ted's prior history at least.

Whatever the long term benefits, losing like this can't be a good look for Ted. He's bleeding money and marketing opportunities. It has to steam him. Its been his whole marketing strategy. No other team in the league has such high profile (and cringeworthy) international ethnicity nights. Polish Heritage when we had Gortat. Lithuanian night for Valanciunas. Etc. Hell they even sold tickets for Deni's return as Jewish heritage night. If we had Deni and he was playing well, if he broke out and outshined the rookie movement, that is what Ted would be trying to sell. He's already trying to raise ticket prices in hopes of a bump from whomever we land in the lotto.

If we got any of the top 3, and had Deni on the roster, that is all she wrote for the rebuild. Israel's golden boy and the American Flagg. That's what you get. There's your whole core. Ted is selling everything on that.

Personally I want more. I want two franchise players. Maybe Deni is that. Maybe he is what Cooper Flagg hopes to be. It's a gamble. But we shipped him though to ensure top picks two years in a row. Because keeping one really good player is partly what has kept us on the treadmill, and one of the few real ways to win in this league is to suck to get lucky at just the right time. So they are taking no chances with half measures.

If you are all in on the strategy, commit to it and stick to it through the pain. There are any number of ways it can fall short. One of the ways is to give up on it too early to salvage the pride of a thin skinned team owner who was publicly spanked by his fanbase and the City he works in.

Me I say we get the American Flagg. Then draft a redemption story in Alijah Arenas. Build around DMV pride with Bub and Georgetown's Thomas Sorber. (or fine Derik Queen with a late 1st if he falls). And okay sure, we can do the french heritage thing as necessary. Until or unless they are traded in roster balancing moves and upgrades. Let's see how it plays out.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1415 » by AFM » Tue Apr 1, 2025 10:24 pm

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The league is embarrassed though. It's all fine and good when a respected team like the Spurs successfully tanks their way to a savior. But it would be shameful if a perpetual loser of a franchise manages to dumpster dive its way to a franchise player.


Damn if this isn't the truth...
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1416 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Wed Apr 2, 2025 2:16 am

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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1417 » by Jay81 » Wed Apr 2, 2025 2:23 am

Winger should be fired. What a moron
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1418 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 2, 2025 6:21 am

payitforward wrote:If we'd kept Deni, I think we'd be sitting at about 25 wins right now.

Can't have everything.
Respectfully, Deni is a GREAT PLAYER.

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So what if he ruined the tank? Instead of trying for the 14% opportunity to draft Flagg, the Wizards could have a 100% opportunity to draft a mid-lottery player.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1419 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 2, 2025 6:28 am

J-Ves wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:I know I said earlier it might take a while to know if we lost the trade but guys I think we lost the trade.

Lmaooooo

We lost the trade and it was clear when the trade was made. Just look at how hysterical many on this board were for the proof. Now the only question is it the all time worst trade in franchise history? That will take 5-10 years to figure out
No. It's not Mitch Richmond/Otis Thorpe for Webber bad.

It's not contract-years, Mike Miller and Randy Foye, instead of the pick that could have been Steph Curry.

It could turn out to be along the level of trading the pick that should have been Jarrett Allen to scrape the Orlando Magic bench for two reserve players, Andrew Nicholson and Jason Smith.
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Re: Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon 

Post#1420 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 2, 2025 6:29 am

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J-Ves wrote:Now the only question is it the all time worst trade in franchise history? That will take 5-10 years to figure out

Exactly.

This wasn't just a bad trade. This may well turn out to be an historically bad trade. Maybe not quite a Richmond for Webber level bad, but still awful. It may also pan out to be one of the most lopsided trades league-wide in the past 10 years outside of the Doncic trade.
Oh, it's historically bad.

Already.
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