Giannis Walkin' In Memphis / Ja to the Heat

[the_process]

Yes. Isn't that obvious?

Yeah so just cut out the Grizzlies and swap Rozier for Bam

Heat get:
Giannis

Bucks get:
Jaime Jaquez Jr.
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Bam Adebayo
2025 Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick
2025 Golden State Warriors First Round Draft Pick (via Heat)
2030 Unprotected Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick

Too much. Bam's inclusion significantly drops the rest Miami has to give, especially if you use the Doncic-Davis trade as a template. Bam isn't on Davis's level, but he also doesn't come with Davis's injury history.

Bam, JJJ and then either picks or current prospects (Ware/Jovic), but not every asset Miami has.

The Luka trade is only a template of insanity, not for any future NBA trades.

That was way more of a one off than even the Gobert trade.

[SA37]

Yeah so just cut out the Grizzlies and swap Rozier for Bam

Heat get:
Giannis

Bucks get:
Jaime Jaquez Jr.
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Bam Adebayo
2025 Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick
2025 Golden State Warriors First Round Draft Pick (via Heat)
2030 Unprotected Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick

Too much. Bam's inclusion significantly drops the rest Miami has to give, especially if you use the Doncic-Davis trade as a template. Bam isn't on Davis's level, but he also doesn't come with Davis's injury history.

Bam, JJJ and then either picks or current prospects (Ware/Jovic), but not every asset Miami has.

The Luka trade is only a template of insanity, not for any future NBA trades.

That was way more of a one off than even the Gobert trade.

The Bucks would never get "full value" for Giannis just like Dallas would never have gotten "full value" for Doncic because...you just don't trade those guys unless you have no choice.

The Gobert trade was even more insane because Gobert is a glorified role player who fetched superstar value. At least Davis, when healthy, is elite on both sides of the ball. (And even if you think Gobert is worth anywhere in the ballpark of what he was traded for, Bam is worth something similar since he is on Gobert's level defensively and infinitely better on offense.)

If Davis didn't have his injury history and were 27 instead of 32, the trade wouldn't have seemed so wild I don't think. Anthony Davis was traded to the Lakers in 2019 when he was 26 for Lonzo Ball, B Ingram, J Hart and 3 1sts. No one there is or was on Bam's level, and definitely not when the trade happened. And Giannis isn't 25 like Doncic is or Davis was when traded to the Lakers (Giannis will be 31 this summer), so you have that difference, as well.

Given those precedents and differences, I still think Bam + 1-2 prospects + 1-2 1sts is roughly what would need to offered.

[BarbaGrizz]

Too much. Bam's inclusion significantly drops the rest Miami has to give, especially if you use the Doncic-Davis trade as a template. Bam isn't on Davis's level, but he also doesn't come with Davis's injury history.

Bam, JJJ and then either picks or current prospects (Ware/Jovic), but not every asset Miami has.

The Luka trade is only a template of insanity, not for any future NBA trades.

That was way more of a one off than even the Gobert trade.

The Bucks would never get "full value" for Giannis just like Dallas would never have gotten "full value" for Doncic because...you just don't trade those guys unless you have no choice.

The Gobert trade was even more insane because Gobert is a glorified role player who fetched superstar value. At least Davis, when healthy, is elite on both sides of the ball. (And even if you think Gobert is worth anywhere in the ballpark of what he was traded for, Bam is worth something similar since he is on Gobert's level defensively and infinitely better on offense.)

If Davis didn't have his injury history and were 27 instead of 32, the trade wouldn't have seemed so wild I don't think. Anthony Davis was traded to the Lakers in 2019 when he was 26 for Lonzo Ball, B Ingram, J Hart and 3 1sts. No one there is or was on Bam's level, and definitely not when the trade happened. And Giannis isn't 25 like Doncic is or Davis was when traded to the Lakers (Giannis will be 31 this summer), so you have that difference, as well.

Given those precedents and differences, I still think Bam + 1-2 prospects + 1-2 1sts is roughly what would need to offered.

A Heat´s fan saying that Bam is at the same level of Gobert on defense... There´s not a single metric that backs this up.

[Jody Smokz]

Ray Charles could see that Giannis is much better than Ja. Ja can't defend and he has issues staying healthy.

I don't see getting Giannis for him straight up as a realistic scenario.

When I saw Ja playing against Giannis, it wasn’t I must reluctantly admit.

Morant is excellent, but Giannis is a perennial MVP candidate, 1st team All-NBA guy, a candidate to be on the All-defensive team every year, and seems to be a fabulous teammate, stays out of trouble, and has continued to work on his game.

Thank you. I know who Giannis is.

[esvl]

Ray Charles could see that Giannis is much better than Ja. Ja can't defend and he has issues staying healthy.

I don't see getting Giannis for him straight up as a realistic scenario.

Morant is excellent, but Giannis is a perennial MVP candidate, 1st team All-NBA guy, a candidate to be on the All-defensive team every year, and seems to be a fabulous teammate, stays out of trouble, and has continued to work on his game.

Thank you. I know who Giannis is.

I guess it feels great to be aligned with Ray C. on basketball matters

[SA37]

Spoiler:

The Luka trade is only a template of insanity, not for any future NBA trades.

That was way more of a one off than even the Gobert trade.

The Bucks would never get "full value" for Giannis just like Dallas would never have gotten "full value" for Doncic because...you just don't trade those guys unless you have no choice.

The Gobert trade was even more insane because Gobert is a glorified role player who fetched superstar value. At least Davis, when healthy, is elite on both sides of the ball. (And even if you think Gobert is worth anywhere in the ballpark of what he was traded for, Bam is worth something similar since he is on Gobert's level defensively and infinitely better on offense.)

If Davis didn't have his injury history and were 27 instead of 32, the trade wouldn't have seemed so wild I don't think. Anthony Davis was traded to the Lakers in 2019 when he was 26 for Lonzo Ball, B Ingram, J Hart and 3 1sts. No one there is or was on Bam's level, and definitely not when the trade happened. And Giannis isn't 25 like Doncic is or Davis was when traded to the Lakers (Giannis will be 31 this summer), so you have that difference, as well.

Given those precedents and differences, I still think Bam + 1-2 prospects + 1-2 1sts is roughly what would need to offered.

A Heat´s fan saying that Bam is at the same level of Gobert on defense... There´s not a single metric that backs this up.

Adebayo has made the All-NBA defensive team for 5 straight years and he has finished in the top-5 in DPOY voting in each of those seasons -- and likely this year will be his 6th.

[BarbaGrizz]

Spoiler:

The Bucks would never get "full value" for Giannis just like Dallas would never have gotten "full value" for Doncic because...you just don't trade those guys unless you have no choice.

The Gobert trade was even more insane because Gobert is a glorified role player who fetched superstar value. At least Davis, when healthy, is elite on both sides of the ball. (And even if you think Gobert is worth anywhere in the ballpark of what he was traded for, Bam is worth something similar since he is on Gobert's level defensively and infinitely better on offense.)

If Davis didn't have his injury history and were 27 instead of 32, the trade wouldn't have seemed so wild I don't think. Anthony Davis was traded to the Lakers in 2019 when he was 26 for Lonzo Ball, B Ingram, J Hart and 3 1sts. No one there is or was on Bam's level, and definitely not when the trade happened. And Giannis isn't 25 like Doncic is or Davis was when traded to the Lakers (Giannis will be 31 this summer), so you have that difference, as well.

Given those precedents and differences, I still think Bam + 1-2 prospects + 1-2 1sts is roughly what would need to offered.

A Heat´s fan saying that Bam is at the same level of Gobert on defense... There´s not a single metric that backs this up.

Adebayo has made the All-NBA defensive team for 5 straight years and he has finished in the top-5 in DPOY voting in each of those seasons -- and likely this year will be his 6th.

C´mon bro... Gobert have 4 DPOYs, it´s not comparable

[SA37]

A Heat´s fan saying that Bam is at the same level of Gobert on defense... There´s not a single metric that backs this up.

Adebayo has made the All-NBA defensive team for 5 straight years and he has finished in the top-5 in DPOY voting in each of those seasons -- and likely this year will be his 6th.

C´mon bro... Gobert have 4 DPOYs, it´s not comparable

You're entitled to you opinion, but my take is you can kind of break down players into levels we could label as elite, all-star, starter/6th man, role player. And Bam is absolutely elite as a defender. Bam has consistently been voted a top-5 defender in the NBA, so whatever difference you believe exists Gobert and Adebayo defensively is probably fairly minimal.

In any case, this has gotten away from the original intent of my post, which is that Adebayo is a better overall player than Gobert and thus would significantly reduce the prospects and picks needed to be added to him to make a competitive offer for Giannis.

[jakecronus8]

As an objective observer, I think Bam is a more valuable defender than Gobert.