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[GONYK]

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Travis Hunter, come on down buddy

The common thought around Hunter is that he would be drafted primarily as a CB who would have a set of packages that get him situationally on the field as a WR.

I wonder if the opposite would be true if we drafted him. Especially now that we have Adebo.

Hunter is arguably the #1 CB and WR in this class. No lower than 2 at either position. We line him up primarily on the other side of Nabers for most of the game. That is a killer for opposing defenses.

On defense, Adebo is CB1, Banks is CB2. If Tae continues to have his head up his ass this season, Hunter is right there to take some snaps from him.

If we need to move on from Banks, Hunter can slide over to a primary CB. I think our WR room has the depth this season to accommodate.

[mpharris36]

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Travis Hunter, come on down buddy

The common thought around Hunter is that he would be drafted primarily as a CB who would have a set of packages that get him situationally on the field as a WR.

I wonder if the opposite would be true if we drafted him. Especially now that we have Adebo.

Hunter is arguably the #1 CB and WR in this class. No lower than 2 at either position. We line him up primarily on the other side of Nabers for most of the game. That is a killer for opposing defenses.

On defense, Adebo is CB1, Banks is CB2. If Tae continues to have his head up his ass this season, Hunter is right there to take some snaps from him.

If we need to move on from Banks, Hunter can slide over to a primary CB. I think our WR room has the depth this season to accommodate.

Maybe its me but how can you be a part time DB in the NFL? With all the schemes and gameplanning?

Its far easier to be a full time CB and a part time WR. Also you can make the case Nabers (they just paid Slayton) and have Wandale with Hunter playing on 2-minute drives and some specialty designed plays throughout the game (if that is the route they go)

I don't see how you just throw someone out at CB part time. Its probably the most difficult position to play in the NFL outside of QB.

Banks also has done nothing to this point in his career to warrant a lock starting spot.

[GONYK]

Travis Hunter, come on down buddy

The common thought around Hunter is that he would be drafted primarily as a CB who would have a set of packages that get him situationally on the field as a WR.

I wonder if the opposite would be true if we drafted him. Especially now that we have Adebo.

Hunter is arguably the #1 CB and WR in this class. No lower than 2 at either position. We line him up primarily on the other side of Nabers for most of the game. That is a killer for opposing defenses.

On defense, Adebo is CB1, Banks is CB2. If Tae continues to have his head up his ass this season, Hunter is right there to take some snaps from him.

If we need to move on from Banks, Hunter can slide over to a primary CB. I think our WR room has the depth this season to accommodate.

Maybe its me but how can you be a part time DB in the NFL? With all the schemes and gameplanning?

Its far easier to be a full time CB and a part time WR. Also you can make the case Nabers (they just paid Slayton) and have Wandale with Hunter playing on 2-minute drives and some specialty designed plays throughout the game (if that is the route they go)

I don't see how you just throw someone out at CB part time. Its probably the most difficult position to play in the NFL outside of QB.

Banks also has done nothing to this point in his career to warrant a lock starting spot.

Is playing CB hard because of the schemes or because of the talent at WR and the physical tools needed to play the position effectively?

I would argue it is the latter and say the athletic requirements of the position isn't a problem for Hunter.

He will have his packages. Limit him to passing only downs in the red zone or whatever. He will still be in the DB meetings.

But Banks is the most athletic CB in combine history. I do think it would be smart to see if we can continue to develop him rather than replace him outright with Hunter.

[mpharris36]

The common thought around Hunter is that he would be drafted primarily as a CB who would have a set of packages that get him situationally on the field as a WR.

I wonder if the opposite would be true if we drafted him. Especially now that we have Adebo.

Hunter is arguably the #1 CB and WR in this class. No lower than 2 at either position. We line him up primarily on the other side of Nabers for most of the game. That is a killer for opposing defenses.

On defense, Adebo is CB1, Banks is CB2. If Tae continues to have his head up his ass this season, Hunter is right there to take some snaps from him.

If we need to move on from Banks, Hunter can slide over to a primary CB. I think our WR room has the depth this season to accommodate.

Maybe its me but how can you be a part time DB in the NFL? With all the schemes and gameplanning?

Its far easier to be a full time CB and a part time WR. Also you can make the case Nabers (they just paid Slayton) and have Wandale with Hunter playing on 2-minute drives and some specialty designed plays throughout the game (if that is the route they go)

I don't see how you just throw someone out at CB part time. Its probably the most difficult position to play in the NFL outside of QB.

Banks also has done nothing to this point in his career to warrant a lock starting spot.

Is playing CB hard because of the schemes or because of the talent at WR and the physical tools needed to play the position effectively?

I would argue it is the latter and say the athletic requirements of the position isn't a problem for Hunter.

He will have his packages. Limit him to passing only downs in the red zone or whatever. He will still be in the DB meetings.

But Banks is the most athletic CB in combine history. I do think it would be smart to see if we can continue to develop him rather than replace him outright with Hunter.

A combo of both. Probably the most physically demanding position in terms of needing to be a high level athlete going up against WR's and having to stick with them in space.

But you also need to know WR's tendencies and stay healthy. If your are playing WR full time you will be taking a lot of hits to then have to run him out at CB for key drives.

I mean its a good problem to have. HIs ball skills are some of the best to ever come out. He just doesn't have the biggest frame either.

Just from personal experience and watching for so long its far easier to play WR than CB on the fly. Basically every week Daboll can gameplan him in 20-30 plays on offense. But then he is a mainly a CB. That just seems to make the most sense for me if they go the Hunter route.

For example like when to do you bring him into the game and replace Banks at CB? It's just clunky to me. On offense since they dictate substitutions you can have certian Hunter "packages" throughout the game. Far easier to pull that off on offense than defense if you ask me.

[MrDollarBills]

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Travis Hunter, come on down buddy

The common thought around Hunter is that he would be drafted primarily as a CB who would have a set of packages that get him situationally on the field as a WR.

I wonder if the opposite would be true if we drafted him. Especially now that we have Adebo.

Hunter is arguably the #1 CB and WR in this class. No lower than 2 at either position. We line him up primarily on the other side of Nabers for most of the game. That is a killer for opposing defenses.

On defense, Adebo is CB1, Banks is CB2. If Tae continues to have his head up his ass this season, Hunter is right there to take some snaps from him.

If we need to move on from Banks, Hunter can slide over to a primary CB. I think our WR room has the depth this season to accommodate.

I would prefer to use Hunter like Deion Sanders = 90% of his snaps should be at CB, and we have specific packages where he's lining up as WR2 opposite Nabers (oh my god oh my god). I assume we might grab a receiver with one of our two 3rd rounders. I'm done with Hyatt.

I agree with the sentiment that we should continue to develop Banks, but having Adebo and Hunter as CBs 1 and 2 makes us immediately better in the secondary. Let Banks fight for playing time.

[MrDollarBills]

Maybe its me but how can you be a part time DB in the NFL? With all the schemes and gameplanning?

Its far easier to be a full time CB and a part time WR. Also you can make the case Nabers (they just paid Slayton) and have Wandale with Hunter playing on 2-minute drives and some specialty designed plays throughout the game (if that is the route they go)

I don't see how you just throw someone out at CB part time. Its probably the most difficult position to play in the NFL outside of QB.

Banks also has done nothing to this point in his career to warrant a lock starting spot.

Is playing CB hard because of the schemes or because of the talent at WR and the physical tools needed to play the position effectively?

I would argue it is the latter and say the athletic requirements of the position isn't a problem for Hunter.

He will have his packages. Limit him to passing only downs in the red zone or whatever. He will still be in the DB meetings.

But Banks is the most athletic CB in combine history. I do think it would be smart to see if we can continue to develop him rather than replace him outright with Hunter.

A combo of both. Probably the most physically demanding position in terms of needing to be a high level athlete going up against WR's and having to stick with them in space.

But you also need to know WR's tendencies and stay healthy. If your are playing WR full time you will be taking a lot of hits to then have to run him out at CB for key drives.

I mean its a good problem to have. HIs ball skills are some of the best to ever come out. He just doesn't have the biggest frame either.

Just from personal experience and watching for so long its far easier to play WR than CB on the fly. Basically every week Daboll can gameplan him in 20-30 plays on offense. But then he is a mainly a CB. That just seems to make the most sense for me if they go the Hunter route.

For example like when to do you bring him into the game and replace Banks at CB? It's just clunky to me. On offense since they dictate substitutions you can have certian Hunter "packages" throughout the game. Far easier to pull that off on offense than defense if you ask me.

CB full time is the answer, and then use Hunter packages to make opposing DCs piss their pants because there's no way anyone is defending both of those beasts on the outside.

[GONYK]

Is playing CB hard because of the schemes or because of the talent at WR and the physical tools needed to play the position effectively?

I would argue it is the latter and say the athletic requirements of the position isn't a problem for Hunter.

He will have his packages. Limit him to passing only downs in the red zone or whatever. He will still be in the DB meetings.

But Banks is the most athletic CB in combine history. I do think it would be smart to see if we can continue to develop him rather than replace him outright with Hunter.

A combo of both. Probably the most physically demanding position in terms of needing to be a high level athlete going up against WR's and having to stick with them in space.

But you also need to know WR's tendencies and stay healthy. If your are playing WR full time you will be taking a lot of hits to then have to run him out at CB for key drives.

I mean its a good problem to have. HIs ball skills are some of the best to ever come out. He just doesn't have the biggest frame either.

Just from personal experience and watching for so long its far easier to play WR than CB on the fly. Basically every week Daboll can gameplan him in 20-30 plays on offense. But then he is a mainly a CB. That just seems to make the most sense for me if they go the Hunter route.

For example like when to do you bring him into the game and replace Banks at CB? It's just clunky to me. On offense since they dictate substitutions you can have certian Hunter "packages" throughout the game. Far easier to pull that off on offense than defense if you ask me.

CB full time is the answer, and then use Hunter packages to make opposing DCs piss their pants because there's no way anyone is defending both of those beasts on the outside.

I agree in a vacuum, but then I don't see what Banks' role is on this team then and I just don't think they are ready to kick him to the curb Mike Woodson style.

[MrDollarBills]

A combo of both. Probably the most physically demanding position in terms of needing to be a high level athlete going up against WR's and having to stick with them in space.

But you also need to know WR's tendencies and stay healthy. If your are playing WR full time you will be taking a lot of hits to then have to run him out at CB for key drives.

I mean its a good problem to have. HIs ball skills are some of the best to ever come out. He just doesn't have the biggest frame either.

Just from personal experience and watching for so long its far easier to play WR than CB on the fly. Basically every week Daboll can gameplan him in 20-30 plays on offense. But then he is a mainly a CB. That just seems to make the most sense for me if they go the Hunter route.

For example like when to do you bring him into the game and replace Banks at CB? It's just clunky to me. On offense since they dictate substitutions you can have certian Hunter "packages" throughout the game. Far easier to pull that off on offense than defense if you ask me.

CB full time is the answer, and then use Hunter packages to make opposing DCs piss their pants because there's no way anyone is defending both of those beasts on the outside.

I agree in a vacuum, but then I don't see what Banks' role is on this team then and I just don't think they are ready to kick him to the curb Mike Woodson style.

It would be irresponsible to not try to develop Banks, I agree. Might as well see what he can do but he's gotta put in some serious work.

[Ghetto Gospel]

there's just no path to playing both at the same time. making the college to NFL leap is already tough enough and most guys are doing it at just 1 position and even then it can take years before players coming into the NFL develop and become real players. it just isn't realistic that someone can do it at 2 positions right away.

also, NFL offenses and defenses are too complex and would necessitate that he be in both defense and offense planning meetings but he can't be in 2 places at the same time. i'd guess he's a full time CB and a part time (maybe 10 snaps running screen plays and go routes) WR

[mpharris36]

there's just no path to playing both at the same time. making the college to NFL leap is already tough enough and most guys are doing it at just 1 position and even then it can take years before players coming into the NFL develop and become real players. it just isn't realistic that someone can do it at 2 positions right away.

also, NFL offenses and defenses are too complex and would necessitate that he be in both defense and offense planning meetings but he can't be in 2 places at the same time. i'd guess he's a full time CB and a part time (maybe 10 snaps running screen plays and go routes) WR

then I would assume you are much higher on just going Carter if he's available for BPA than Hunter?

[GONYK]

I'm not really buying the argument that playing WR full time and a CB in Nickel and Dime sub-packages is more difficult than playing CB full time and having 10-15 snaps at WR. I guess we'll see though.

That is the beauty of Hunter. It's a great problem to have.

If both he and Carter are there, I don't think Carter is the BPA.

[Ghetto Gospel]

there's just no path to playing both at the same time. making the college to NFL leap is already tough enough and most guys are doing it at just 1 position and even then it can take years before players coming into the NFL develop and become real players. it just isn't realistic that someone can do it at 2 positions right away.

also, NFL offenses and defenses are too complex and would necessitate that he be in both defense and offense planning meetings but he can't be in 2 places at the same time. i'd guess he's a full time CB and a part time (maybe 10 snaps running screen plays and go routes) WR

then I would assume you are much higher on just going Carter if he's available for BPA than Hunter?

nope, i think hunter has less of a chance to fail because he has 2 shots to

a little bit of risk management, but i have a little bit of concern for abdul carter because i'm not sure abdul carter has any real pass rush moves outside of his freaky bend and movement. it doesn't seem like he has the same shock and power that parsons does and if all he has is finesse, then i'm not sure he's beating elite tackles in the NFL consistently. not saying he's a bust but there is a little bit of concern there and we have to nitpick these guys a little

[mpharris36]

there's just no path to playing both at the same time. making the college to NFL leap is already tough enough and most guys are doing it at just 1 position and even then it can take years before players coming into the NFL develop and become real players. it just isn't realistic that someone can do it at 2 positions right away.

also, NFL offenses and defenses are too complex and would necessitate that he be in both defense and offense planning meetings but he can't be in 2 places at the same time. i'd guess he's a full time CB and a part time (maybe 10 snaps running screen plays and go routes) WR

then I would assume you are much higher on just going Carter if he's available for BPA than Hunter?

nope, i think hunter has less of a chance to fail because he has 2 shots to

a little bit of risk management, but i have a little bit of concern for abdul carter because i'm not sure abdul carter has any real pass rush moves outside of his freaky bend and movement. it doesn't seem like he has the same shock and power that parsons does and if all he has is finesse, then i'm not sure he's beating elite tackles in the NFL consistently. not saying he's a bust but there is a little bit of concern there and we have to nitpick these guys a little

oh interesting. I thought if you were more seeing him at one position then his value would drop for you. A edge is certainly more valuable than a WR or CB by himself. If you can't get great QB play the next best thing is to disrupt QB play (as the eagles did with a great d-line).

[Ghetto Gospel]

I'm not really buying the argument that playing WR full time and a CB in Nickel and Dime sub-packages is more difficult than playing CB full time and having 10-15 snaps at WR. I guess we'll see though.

That is the beauty of Hunter. It's a great problem to have.

If both he and Carter are there, I don't think Carter is the BPA.

i think nickel packages are far too common these days. last year, they were ~65% of defensive snaps in the NFL and if you're playing that much on defense, you'd really have to be locked into both offense and defense meetings and i'm not sure travis hunter or any NFL player really can do that.

[Ghetto Gospel]

then I would assume you are much higher on just going Carter if he's available for BPA than Hunter?

nope, i think hunter has less of a chance to fail because he has 2 shots to

a little bit of risk management, but i have a little bit of concern for abdul carter because i'm not sure abdul carter has any real pass rush moves outside of his freaky bend and movement. it doesn't seem like he has the same shock and power that parsons does and if all he has is finesse, then i'm not sure he's beating elite tackles in the NFL consistently. not saying he's a bust but there is a little bit of concern there and we have to nitpick these guys a little

oh interesting. I thought if you were more seeing him at one position then his value would drop for you. A edge is certainly more valuable than a WR or CB by himself. If you can't get great QB play the next best thing is to disrupt QB play (as the eagles did with a great d-line).

i'm just thinking less chance to bust here because there's 2 positions he can be successful in.

i think the one position thing (CB with minimal WR snaps) is definitely accurate at least early on in his career. maybe a few years down the line it's possible..? but that's assuming we have a stable coaching staff with stable schemes and he's not having to learn a completely new language every year. i do think playing some WR snaps brings value though. he's definitely not a scrub at that end

[mpharris36]

I'm not really buying the argument that playing WR full time and a CB in Nickel and Dime sub-packages is more difficult than playing CB full time and having 10-15 snaps at WR. I guess we'll see though.

That is the beauty of Hunter. It's a great problem to have.

If both he and Carter are there, I don't think Carter is the BPA.

I think if you only have Hunter playing one side of the ball Carter probably holds more value because of how important LOS play is in the NFL.

If you think Hunter can player well on both ends and impact both WR/CB you certainly can make the case he's can be an more impactful player than Abdul Carter.

Hunter isn't a slot corner though that is why I don't see him just as a nickle on defense. If you push him to the boundary on passing downs at corner who does he take off the field? Adebo and Banks would be on the outside and Phillips is the nickle on the inside so he usually comes in when teams go 3 wide.

It far easier to build out offensive packages for a player rather than defensive packages because you can control substitutions and design plays for. I personally don't see a guy that only has played a handful of snaps just come in late in the game for defense. Maybe thats me.

I think Deion has suggested it as well. You play defense but then you can design certain packages and plays to get him on the field on offense.

The good thing is he has elite ball skills which play well both at WR and CB for ball tracking.

[mpharris36]

I'm not really buying the argument that playing WR full time and a CB in Nickel and Dime sub-packages is more difficult than playing CB full time and having 10-15 snaps at WR. I guess we'll see though.

That is the beauty of Hunter. It's a great problem to have.

If both he and Carter are there, I don't think Carter is the BPA.

i think nickel packages are far too common these days. last year, they were ~65% of defensive snaps in the NFL and if you're playing that much on defense, you'd really have to be locked into both offense and defense meetings and i'm not sure travis hunter or any NFL player really can do that.

That is my thought as well for Hunter...he probably needs to be a full time CB...spend his time in those meetings and develop at that position. Then Daboll can basically give him a specialty play book every week on offense where he gets a handful of plays run for him, screens, vertical balls, red zone plays where he can be effective.

[GONYK]

I'm not really buying the argument that playing WR full time and a CB in Nickel and Dime sub-packages is more difficult than playing CB full time and having 10-15 snaps at WR. I guess we'll see though.

That is the beauty of Hunter. It's a great problem to have.

If both he and Carter are there, I don't think Carter is the BPA.

I think if you only have Hunter playing one side of the ball Carter probably holds more value because of how important LOS play is in the NFL.

If you think Hunter can player well on both ends and impact both WR/CB you certainly can make the case he's can be an more impactful player than Abdul Carter.

Hunter isn't a slot corner though that is why I don't see him just as a nickle on defense. If you push him to the boundary on passing downs at corner who does he take off the field? Adebo and Banks would be on the outside and Phillips is the nickle on the inside so he usually comes in when teams go 3 wide.

It far easier to build out offensive packages for a player rather than defensive packages because you can control substitutions and design plays for. I personally don't see a guy that only has played a handful of snaps just come in late in the game for defense. Maybe thats me.

I think Deion has suggested it as well. You play defense but then you can design certain packages and plays to get him on the field on offense.

The good thing is he has elite ball skills which play well both at WR and CB for ball tracking.

I think ball skills impact the game more than anything. The LOS is undoubtedly important, but do the Eagles have any top 5 picks on either of their lines?

If we aren't trading KT, I'm starting to think with the investments we made at the edge in the last 2 offseasons, we may be better served using our premium pick somewhere else.

[Ghetto Gospel]

I'm not really buying the argument that playing WR full time and a CB in Nickel and Dime sub-packages is more difficult than playing CB full time and having 10-15 snaps at WR. I guess we'll see though.

That is the beauty of Hunter. It's a great problem to have.

If both he and Carter are there, I don't think Carter is the BPA.

I think if you only have Hunter playing one side of the ball Carter probably holds more value because of how important LOS play is in the NFL.

If you think Hunter can player well on both ends and impact both WR/CB you certainly can make the case he's can be an more impactful player than Abdul Carter.

Hunter isn't a slot corner though that is why I don't see him just as a nickle on defense. If you push him to the boundary on passing downs at corner who does he take off the field? Adebo and Banks would be on the outside and Phillips is the nickle on the inside so he usually comes in when teams go 3 wide.

It far easier to build out offensive packages for a player rather than defensive packages because you can control substitutions and design plays for. I personally don't see a guy that only has played a handful of snaps just come in late in the game for defense. Maybe thats me.

I think Deion has suggested it as well. You play defense but then you can design certain packages and plays to get him on the field on offense.

The good thing is he has elite ball skills which play well both at WR and CB for ball tracking.

I think ball skills impact the game more than anything. The LOS is undoubtedly important, but do the Eagles have any top 5 picks on either of their lines?

If we aren't trading KT, I'm starting to think with the investments we made at the edge in the last 2 offseasons, we may be better served using our premium pick somewhere else.

just to add to this, the eagles defense was not that great a couple of years ago but they "fixed" their defense by hitting on both quinyon mitchell and cooper dejean with their first 2 picks last year who were great for them.

[mpharris36]

I'm not really buying the argument that playing WR full time and a CB in Nickel and Dime sub-packages is more difficult than playing CB full time and having 10-15 snaps at WR. I guess we'll see though.

That is the beauty of Hunter. It's a great problem to have.

If both he and Carter are there, I don't think Carter is the BPA.

I think if you only have Hunter playing one side of the ball Carter probably holds more value because of how important LOS play is in the NFL.

If you think Hunter can player well on both ends and impact both WR/CB you certainly can make the case he's can be an more impactful player than Abdul Carter.

Hunter isn't a slot corner though that is why I don't see him just as a nickle on defense. If you push him to the boundary on passing downs at corner who does he take off the field? Adebo and Banks would be on the outside and Phillips is the nickle on the inside so he usually comes in when teams go 3 wide.

It far easier to build out offensive packages for a player rather than defensive packages because you can control substitutions and design plays for. I personally don't see a guy that only has played a handful of snaps just come in late in the game for defense. Maybe thats me.

I think Deion has suggested it as well. You play defense but then you can design certain packages and plays to get him on the field on offense.

The good thing is he has elite ball skills which play well both at WR and CB for ball tracking.

I think ball skills impact the game more than anything. The LOS is undoubtedly important, but do the Eagles have any top 5 picks on either of their lines?

If we aren't trading KT, I'm starting to think with the investments we made at the edge in the last 2 offseasons, we may be better served using our premium pick somewhere else.

I would make the case Jalen Carter and Nolan smith were all projected top 5 top 10 picks throughout the year. Injury to Nola Smith dropped him down to end of 1st and the off field stuff moved Jalen Carter to 9th overall when most people thought he was by far the #1 type pick before all the noise leading up to the draft.