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Post#1841 » by sol537 » Wed Apr 2, 2025 5:30 am

Knicksfan1992 wrote:Was thinking last night before bed about how much our offense truly misses Donte and how the change from Donte/Randle/IHart to Mikal/KAT has fundamentally changed how we approach offense. We've become a much slower, methodical team in the halfcourt IMO but have gained much more consistent tough shot making with less reliance on offensive rebounds to keep our offense afloat. This should, in theory, translate better in a playoff atmosphere than last year's offense did but does provide it's moments of frustration. It's an interesting dynamic and one that has drew the ire from some fans as making us too predictable/stagnant on offense. The Knicks have tried to piece together DDV's "let it fly" approach by encouraging Deuce to shoot more, signing Cam Payne who is a willing gunner, and one thing that I think has helped the offense "look better" recently is Shamet being much more willing to let it fly a la DDV last season which is what we signed him for.... Since Brunson went out, Shamet has upped his 3 point attempts per game to 3.8 in 20 minutes a night. Roughly equates to 6.8 per 36 minutes. Before Brunson's injury Landry was at 5.7 per 36. We need this trend to continue IMO. Last year, DDV was at 10.8 3 point attempts per 36 and it was a key part of keeping defenses honest.

Given all that info, I was thinking how we can get a better replacement for DDV this offseason that allows Hart to move to the bench. Tough task.

The simple solution may be inserting Deuce into the SL. Deuce is at around 7 threes attempted per 36 which is not quite DDV level but a decent facsimile. My concerns are that a Deuce and Brunson backcourt is extremely small. Deuce's shot is not nearly as consistent as DDV's. Leaving Deuce off the bench may hurt it's ability to produce anything in lieu of the starters. Rebounding could become a major issue without Hart (you may have to just live with this no matter what if KAT is C and OG is PF). I wouldn't hate if teh Knicks went this direction next season. I don't think Thibs will agree. You probably would need a coaching change IMO.

So I tried sorting by some key metrics from DDV's Knicks season to see who may potentially fit. Since DDV's 3 point attempt rate was extremely outlier high (70%!!!) I lowered that to 60%, at least 6 3pa's per 36 minutes, I went with height of at least 6'4" since it seems Thibs values having a minimum height requirement next to Brunson, 36% and above on 3's, and at least 1 "stock" per 36. These are the results of the players who I think would be "realistically gettable" this offseason:

(Note I don't support trading or acquiring all of these names. Just trying to get an idea of who would fit the mold of DDV on offense while being enough of an "event generator" on defense)

Donte DiVincenzo (obviously lol)
Keon Ellis (would be an amazing trade target IMO)
Luke Kennard
Taurean Prince
Garrison Matthews
Brice Sensabaugh
Dorian Finney-Smith
AJ Green
Georges Niang
Grayson Allen
Sam Hauser
Malik Beasley
Derrick White (only reason he's realistic to me is because the Celtics basically may have to cut salary this offseason otherwise I don't think he'd be here.)
Buddy Hield
Max Strus
Gary Trent Jr.

We've seen the Knicks linked to a few of these names before. Some of these guys would fall in the mold of decent 10-20 mpg a night. Others may be able to be full time starters:

If I had my druthers I'd really be calling Sac on Keon. Strus may be slowly getting squeezed out of Cleveland. He'd be an interesting target. GTJ will be a MLE candidate. Beasley too.


If we get a new coach (or even if Thibs is still here) I could see the line up next year being Mitch-KAT-OG-Bridges-Brunson with KAT taking on DDV's role of green-light gunner. Their shooting is comparable (last season).

That moves Hart to the bench in a 22-minute role where he'd be more effective IMO. We'd have Duece as the 7th man. Then we'd use Huk as Mitch's back-up. Then the 9th man could be any one of several guys: Wright, McCullar, Dadiet, etc. If we stand pat and just extend Mikal, we're still in great shape with a new coach at the helm. Let them cook.
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Post#1842 » by JBreezeNY » Wed Apr 2, 2025 5:41 am

I wonder if we could get KAT and Hart to buy in to coming off the bench & then you stagger their minutes.

Brunson/Deuce/Mikal/OG/Mitch would be ideal.
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Post#1843 » by R-DAWG » Wed Apr 2, 2025 11:29 am

thebuzzardman wrote:One thing that MIGHT help the Knicks is that the new CBA will force some "ok" NBA players to take some pretty sh*tty contracts, as the new NBA CBA makes the NBA somewhat resemble the NFL. The top players, the QBs and WRs, I guess elite OTs, get paid, everyone else, not so much - in general.
In the NBA, there are enough high drafted guys who show out who make 40 million, stars on a 3rd contact making 60 and soon 70 million per, but SOME role bench players are going to have to take a lot less.

Will the good bench players still get 10, 12, even 16 million? Sure. But I think there's going to be more and more Shamet/Payne like deals for vets who are "ok", because teams aren't going to risk the 1st and 2nd apron for some random vet scrub.
So, 2nd round picks become more valuable, the G-League will matter more and aging vets who are only "ok" will get contracts much closer to the league minimum.

It's hardly cause for celebration. These aren't difference making players, just that if the Knicks move on from Payne or Shamet, or honestly Precious, there will be other replacement level NBA players willing to play for not that much, quite a few of them.


To this point the top two guys im targeting with the taxpayer mid level are Clint Capela and Malcom Brogdon. The second tier of guys is Dennis Schroeder, Daneglo Russell and Larry Nance Jr.

Basically, we are hoping that the market dries up and one of these guys who probably are hoping for the full mid level is in play for us.

Capela would be the top option, but I think he gets more money given the lack of C depth - especially LeBron takes a pay cut to give the Lakers the full MLE. He’s regressed but is still a league average starting C.

Brogdon would be #2 on my list - he’s been a forgotten man the past 2 years after winning 6th man of the year. But he’s an upgrade over Payne and gives NY another playmaker and also a guy with size to play next to Brunson

Schroeder doesn’t bring as much flexibility, but fills a need off the bench as a secondary shot creator.

In all cases, we are adding a guy who would essentially be our 6th best player with Mitch/Duce as 7-8.
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Post#1844 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Apr 2, 2025 12:19 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:One thing that MIGHT help the Knicks is that the new CBA will force some "ok" NBA players to take some pretty sh*tty contracts, as the new NBA CBA makes the NBA somewhat resemble the NFL. The top players, the QBs and WRs, I guess elite OTs, get paid, everyone else, not so much - in general.
In the NBA, there are enough high drafted guys who show out who make 40 million, stars on a 3rd contact making 60 and soon 70 million per, but SOME role bench players are going to have to take a lot less.

Will the good bench players still get 10, 12, even 16 million? Sure. But I think there's going to be more and more Shamet/Payne like deals for vets who are "ok", because teams aren't going to risk the 1st and 2nd apron for some random vet scrub.
So, 2nd round picks become more valuable, the G-League will matter more and aging vets who are only "ok" will get contracts much closer to the league minimum.

It's hardly cause for celebration. These aren't difference making players, just that if the Knicks move on from Payne or Shamet, or honestly Precious, there will be other replacement level NBA players willing to play for not that much, quite a few of them.


To this point the top two guys im targeting with the taxpayer mid level are Clint Capela and Malcom Brogdon. The second tier of guys is Dennis Schroeder, Daneglo Russell and Larry Nance Jr.

Basically, we are hoping that the market dries up and one of these guys who probably are hoping for the full mid level is in play for us.

Capela would be the top option, but I think he gets more money given the lack of C depth - especially LeBron takes a pay cut to give the Lakers the full MLE. He’s regressed but is still a league average starting C.

Brogdon would be #2 on my list - he’s been a forgotten man the past 2 years after winning 6th man of the year. But he’s an upgrade over Payne and gives NY another playmaker and also a guy with size to play next to Brunson

Schroeder doesn’t bring as much flexibility, but fills a need off the bench as a secondary shot creator.

In all cases, we are adding a guy who would essentially be our 6th best player with Mitch/Duce as 7-8.

I googled Capela to check his age and up popped 5 articles on why the Lakers should get him this summer
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#1845 » by WargamesX » Wed Apr 2, 2025 3:53 pm

Let’s be real for a second. Who are the CAA FA this summer? For good or bad that is our likely targets.
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Post#1846 » by Richard4444 » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:17 pm

WargamesX wrote:Let’s be real for a second. Who are the CAA FA this summer? For good or bad that is our likely targets.


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Post#1847 » by TheGreenArrow » Wed Apr 2, 2025 5:30 pm

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Kat for Kd is pretty much done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TheGreenArrow wrote:
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Kat for Kd is pretty much done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Post#1849 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Apr 2, 2025 7:48 pm

Walker Kessler back on Knicks radar, trade for Deuce. According to this, clickbait?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/utah-jazz-walker-kessler-back-new-york-knicks-trade-radar
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Post#1850 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Apr 2, 2025 9:21 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:I wonder if we could get KAT and Hart to buy in to coming off the bench & then you stagger their minutes.

Brunson/Deuce/Mikal/OG/Mitch would be ideal.


I was saying the same thing for so long, i was thinking tho the lineup should be

JB deuce OG KAT Mitch
Hart and Mikal off the bench

But jb deuce Mikal og and Mitch is potent lineup, and even better than the one we had in the playoffs last year
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Post#1851 » by JBreezeNY » Wed Apr 2, 2025 10:17 pm

The KnicksFix wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:I wonder if we could get KAT and Hart to buy in to coming off the bench & then you stagger their minutes.

Brunson/Deuce/Mikal/OG/Mitch would be ideal.


I was saying the same thing for so long, i was thinking tho the lineup should be

JB deuce OG KAT Mitch
Hart and Mikal off the bench

But jb deuce Mikal og and Mitch is potent lineup, and even better than the one we had in the playoffs last year

You know your sh*t.

& Mikal would be great off the bench with Hart especially with the lesser players creating for him. Only issue with KAT in the starting is the obvious, defensively with him and JB.

Good luck to the new coach figuring it out.
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Post#1852 » by nykinoz » Wed Apr 2, 2025 11:21 pm

We should steer well clear of the PHX dumpster, the price will be steep, and one we should not entertain.
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Post#1853 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Apr 2, 2025 11:43 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:I wonder if we could get KAT and Hart to buy in to coming off the bench & then you stagger their minutes.

Brunson/Deuce/Mikal/OG/Mitch would be ideal.


I was saying the same thing for so long, i was thinking tho the lineup should be

JB deuce OG KAT Mitch
Hart and Mikal off the bench

But jb deuce Mikal og and Mitch is potent lineup, and even better than the one we had in the playoffs last year

You know your sh*t.

& Mikal would be great off the bench with Hart especially with the lesser players creating for him. Only issue with KAT in the starting is the obvious, defensively with him and JB.

Good luck to the new coach figuring it out.


Salute bro, pretty crazy that we as fans can see this and come to the same conclusion before the freekin head coach does. Wow

Mikal OG Mitch is a scary front line, double that with deuce, and OMG

Thibs neither has the brains nor balls to move KAT or hart to the bench
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Post#1854 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:52 am

nykinoz wrote:We should steer well clear of the PHX dumpster, the price will be steep, and one we should not entertain.


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Post#1855 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Apr 3, 2025 8:08 am

R-DAWG wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:One thing that MIGHT help the Knicks is that the new CBA will force some "ok" NBA players to take some pretty sh*tty contracts, as the new NBA CBA makes the NBA somewhat resemble the NFL. The top players, the QBs and WRs, I guess elite OTs, get paid, everyone else, not so much - in general.
In the NBA, there are enough high drafted guys who show out who make 40 million, stars on a 3rd contact making 60 and soon 70 million per, but SOME role bench players are going to have to take a lot less.

Will the good bench players still get 10, 12, even 16 million? Sure. But I think there's going to be more and more Shamet/Payne like deals for vets who are "ok", because teams aren't going to risk the 1st and 2nd apron for some random vet scrub.
So, 2nd round picks become more valuable, the G-League will matter more and aging vets who are only "ok" will get contracts much closer to the league minimum.

It's hardly cause for celebration. These aren't difference making players, just that if the Knicks move on from Payne or Shamet, or honestly Precious, there will be other replacement level NBA players willing to play for not that much, quite a few of them.


To this point the top two guys im targeting with the taxpayer mid level are Clint Capela and Malcom Brogdon. The second tier of guys is Dennis Schroeder, Daneglo Russell and Larry Nance Jr.

Basically, we are hoping that the market dries up and one of these guys who probably are hoping for the full mid level is in play for us.

Capela would be the top option, but I think he gets more money given the lack of C depth - especially LeBron takes a pay cut to give the Lakers the full MLE. He’s regressed but is still a league average starting C.

Brogdon would be #2 on my list - he’s been a forgotten man the past 2 years after winning 6th man of the year. But he’s an upgrade over Payne and gives NY another playmaker and also a guy with size to play next to Brunson

Schroeder doesn’t bring as much flexibility, but fills a need off the bench as a secondary shot creator.

In all cases, we are adding a guy who would essentially be our 6th best player with Mitch/Duce as 7-8.

I think Brogdon is over the hill, but he has always looked that way so I’m really not sure. I’m all in on Capela, but is he even a MLE guy? He seems out of reach. Schroeder is a maniac, which is good and bad, but off the bench, I guess I’ll take it. Both, Deuce and Mitch are better than him though.

There are more honorable mentions out there, so we really shouldn’t panic but get creative in terms of bringing Donte back.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#1856 » by dakomish23 » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:14 pm

The only KAT trade that would be a clear upgrade based on what's a possibility as of now would be for Giannis. Nothing else makes sense. But if we were trading for Giannis, I'd rather pair him with KAT. Holy **** can you imagine that offense?????????????????? Say goodbye to wingstop
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Post#1857 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Apr 3, 2025 6:29 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:Walker Kessler back on Knicks radar, trade for Deuce. According to this, clickbait?

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/utah-jazz-walker-kessler-back-new-york-knicks-trade-radar

While it surely wouldn’t hurt to have Kessler and Mitch, I’d root for a Kessler+Sexton for McBride+Dadiet+Robinson swap. Throw in Kolek then and keep the 1st rounder.
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Post#1858 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Apr 3, 2025 6:34 pm

dakomish23 wrote:The only KAT trade that would be a clear upgrade based on what's a possibility as of now would be for Giannis. Nothing else makes sense. But if we were trading for Giannis, I'd rather pair him with KAT. Holy **** can you imagine that offense?????????????????? Say goodbye to wingstop

It is true but I don’t see Giannis ever leaving Milwaukee. Then again, with the Lillard situation you never know. I do like our wings though, so I’m not going to complain.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Season Discussion 

Post#1859 » by Besart19 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:40 am

So, KAT for Giannis and Mitch… Mikal, Mitch and Hart for Durant, McBride for Kessler

Kessler / Hukporti / Moses
Giannis / Achiuwa / Tucker
Durant / McCullar / Dadiet
Anunoby / Shamet / Warren
Brunson / Kolek / Wright
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Post#1860 » by R-DAWG » Fri Apr 4, 2025 11:59 am

spree2kawhi wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:One thing that MIGHT help the Knicks is that the new CBA will force some "ok" NBA players to take some pretty sh*tty contracts, as the new NBA CBA makes the NBA somewhat resemble the NFL. The top players, the QBs and WRs, I guess elite OTs, get paid, everyone else, not so much - in general.
In the NBA, there are enough high drafted guys who show out who make 40 million, stars on a 3rd contact making 60 and soon 70 million per, but SOME role bench players are going to have to take a lot less.

Will the good bench players still get 10, 12, even 16 million? Sure. But I think there's going to be more and more Shamet/Payne like deals for vets who are "ok", because teams aren't going to risk the 1st and 2nd apron for some random vet scrub.
So, 2nd round picks become more valuable, the G-League will matter more and aging vets who are only "ok" will get contracts much closer to the league minimum.

It's hardly cause for celebration. These aren't difference making players, just that if the Knicks move on from Payne or Shamet, or honestly Precious, there will be other replacement level NBA players willing to play for not that much, quite a few of them.


To this point the top two guys im targeting with the taxpayer mid level are Clint Capela and Malcom Brogdon. The second tier of guys is Dennis Schroeder, Daneglo Russell and Larry Nance Jr.

Basically, we are hoping that the market dries up and one of these guys who probably are hoping for the full mid level is in play for us.

Capela would be the top option, but I think he gets more money given the lack of C depth - especially LeBron takes a pay cut to give the Lakers the full MLE. He’s regressed but is still a league average starting C.

Brogdon would be #2 on my list - he’s been a forgotten man the past 2 years after winning 6th man of the year. But he’s an upgrade over Payne and gives NY another playmaker and also a guy with size to play next to Brunson

Schroeder doesn’t bring as much flexibility, but fills a need off the bench as a secondary shot creator.

In all cases, we are adding a guy who would essentially be our 6th best player with Mitch/Duce as 7-8.

I think Brogdon is over the hill, but he has always looked that way so I’m really not sure. I’m all in on Capela, but is he even a MLE guy? He seems out of reach. Schroeder is a maniac, which is good and bad, but off the bench, I guess I’ll take it. Both, Deuce and Mitch are better than him though.

There are more honorable mentions out there, so we really shouldn’t panic but get creative in terms of bringing Donte back.


Schroeder brings something different than Duce - who is really an undersized 3 and wing. Schroeder’s more capable of creating offense for himself and others, and throughout his career he has excelled in a limited role off the bench.

I agree that Capela is likely out of reach - but either Schroeder or Brogdon would be a welcome addition to our bench next year.

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