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[RRyder823]

The Cavaliers dealt Wiggins for Kevin Love. Wiggins was considered the Flagg of that draft. We can argue particulars, but that’s one measure of value of the #1 overall pick. And along with Wiggins went Anthony Bennett (#1 overall the prior year) and Thad Young.

It's an adequate analog. Flagg's a tier above, but Giannis is that or more above what Love was. It's a microcosm of how teams behave when they have a chance to win it all.

I can't see Philly not doing it. They sort of came around to the conclusion they're the one team who could realistically win the lotto that would probably do it, in part cuz they'd have to dump George on us. But they seemed to think we'd get little else. We need more.

If his assessment's true, then I wouldn't trade Giannis I don't think. The alternative is the our own picks from New Orleans + Zion for Giannis. I don't want to get into the Zion biz & we need a quicker ascendance by the time PDX has our picks so they're not gouging us too. Flagg would have given it.

Is he? I'm not quite sure you're remembering the hype Wiggens and Jabari both had as prospects and that not even counting Embiid before his red flags pre draft. That draft was being proclaimed as absolutely loaded at the top before the draft

I get Flagg has that new car shine right now but let's not let hindsight cloud how Wiggens and Parker were viewed as prospects comming out



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[Bernman]

Based on hype I think Wiggins’ value surpasses Flagg in the moment. We know how Wiggins turned out but he was as hyped as any prospect in recent memory.

Is he? I'm not quite sure you're remembering the hype Wiggens and Jabari both had as prospects and that not even counting Embiid before his red flags pre draft. That draft was being proclaimed as absolutely loaded at the top before the draft

I get Flagg has that new car shine right now but let's not let hindsight cloud how Wiggens and Parker were viewed as prospects comming out

Embiid had a plurality of support here over Wiggins, until the injuries. I feel like prior to their college seasons, it's similar that Flagg & Wiggins were the virtual unanimous 1's. But if anything Flagg's hype grew due to his creativity & touch, while Wiggins' faded for these reasons.

For reference, Wiggins had a 4.9 win share as regular-aged college frosh (Embiid's was higher per minute). Flagg's is 8.1 as a re-classified hs senior. Flagg is on a higher tier of prospect/hype. Thankfully Giannis is a tier or two above what Kevin Love was too.

[BroncoBuck]

The Cavaliers dealt Wiggins for Kevin Love. Wiggins was considered the Flagg of that draft. We can argue particulars, but that’s one measure of value of the #1 overall pick. And along with Wiggins went Anthony Bennett (#1 overall the prior year) and Thad Young.

It's an adequate analog. Flagg's a tier above, but Giannis is that or more above what Love was. It's a microcosm of how teams behave when they have a chance to win it all.

I can't see Philly not doing it. They sort of came around to the conclusion they're the one team who could realistically win the lotto that would probably do it, in part cuz they'd have to dump George on us. But they seemed to think we'd get little else. We need more.

If his assessment's true, then I wouldn't trade Giannis I don't think. The alternative is the our own picks from New Orleans + Zion for Giannis. I don't want to get into the Zion biz & we need a quicker ascendance by the time PDX has our picks so they're not gouging us too. Flagg would have given it.

Is he? I'm not quite sure you're remembering the hype Wiggens and Jabari both had as prospects and that not even counting Embiid before his red flags pre draft. That draft was being proclaimed as absolutely loaded at the top before the draft

I get Flagg has that new car shine right now but let's not let hindsight cloud how Wiggens and Parker were viewed as prospects comming out



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Coach K was benching Jabari for defensive possessions at Duke. Flagg is an Anthony Davis level prospect. He’s an absolute beast on defense. Honestly watching him is like watching Kawhi on the Spurs. He’s more than lived up to the years of hype surrounding him.

[Plossum]

Any reason why OKC wouldn’t make a play for Giannis? They have an absolute haul of picks they could use to get him. I guess they prob want to see how things pan out this year. But it could be like Durant joining the 2016 Warriors.

[BigO]

This all comes down to player evaluation. And except for Wembenyama, I haven't seen a player like Flagg for quite a few years.

So the Wiggins, Embiid, et al comparisons are useless, unless you felt the same way about them as I do about Flagg.

The poster who said trading a superstar for a possible superstar usually ends up badly for the team giving up the established star, is correct. And that's why I think most teams will want a bird in the hand and make the trade for Giannis.

[ReasonablySober]

Flagg's having the kind of season that will be compared to Zion, Oden, and KD. If he goes ballistic in the F4 it'll be up there with AD and Melo. Not only that, but he shouldn't even be in this draft class, he should be in 2026. Wiggins wasn't close to the kind of prospect Flagg is. If some team wants to trade him for Giannis you have to do it.

[engelmartin]

If we’re going to trade Giannis we should also get at least one or two of their newborns

[paulpressey25]

Love was maybe the 20th ranked player in the league when dealt for Wiggins. And Wiggins had big hype. Big. And Cleveland also sent along Bennett and Thad Young, that had some value back then.

I’d want Flagg and a lot more for Giannis. But it all depends on who wins the lotto. Are they win now and do they have assets to spare.

(and I feel dirty writing this because I’d like Giannis to retire a Buck)

[RiotPunch]

People were calling Wiggins Canadian LeBron. People were very wrong, but they were very hyped. I'm not sure where Flagg is comparatively, but I think they are pretty close.

[BroncoBuck]

People were calling Wiggins Canadian LeBron. People were very wrong, but they were very hyped. I'm not sure where Flagg is comparatively, but I think they are pretty close.

It’s not even close. Maple Jordan wasn’t a Naismith award finalist, he wasn’t even a first team All American. Cooper was a unanimous first team All American this year and he is going to win the Wooden award as an early enrollment Freshman next week. He just turned 18 a few months ago.

Wiggins was a hyped HS prospect who was a very good college basketball player, while Flagg was a really hyped HS prospect who has been a generational college basketball player.

He’s up there with Melo, AD and Zion.

[German Athens]

Rollins, Reed, and FVV would kinda be a fun napoleon complex backcourt next year.

Small, but still quite good defensively.

[0BobLobLaw0]

So...Giannis for Flagg veteran help and draft prospects.....then do Dame for Kon and veteran help.

Quick rebuild that will never happen.

[RiotPunch]

People were calling Wiggins Canadian LeBron. People were very wrong, but they were very hyped. I'm not sure where Flagg is comparatively, but I think they are pretty close.

It’s not even close. Maple Jordan wasn’t a Naismith award finalist, he wasn’t even a first team All American. Cooper was a unanimous first team All American this year and he is going to win the Wooden award as an early enrollment Freshman next week. He just turned 18 a few months ago.

Wiggins was a hyped HS prospect who was a very good college basketball player, while Flagg was a really hyped HS prospect who has been a generational college basketball player.

He’s up there with Melo, AD and Zion.

True, Flagg has had the far more decorated collegiate career. That HS hype for Wiggins persevered, though. Gottlieb is a knob, but I distinctly remember him calling Wiggins a mix of LeBron/KD/T-Mac during the draft process. I fully agree that Flagg is more an AD caliber prospect, but perception matters, and Wiggins was perceived to be a generational athletic talent.

[ReginaldDwight]

People were calling Wiggins Canadian LeBron. People were very wrong, but they were very hyped. I'm not sure where Flagg is comparatively, but I think they are pretty close.

It’s not even close. Maple Jordan wasn’t a Naismith award finalist, he wasn’t even a first team All American. Cooper was a unanimous first team All American this year and he is going to win the Wooden award as an early enrollment Freshman next week. He just turned 18 a few months ago.

Wiggins was a hyped HS prospect who was a very good college basketball player, while Flagg was a really hyped HS prospect who has been a generational college basketball player.

He’s up there with Melo, AD and Zion.

True, Flagg has had the far more decorated collegiate career. That HS hype for Wiggins persevered, though. Gottlieb is a knob, but I distinctly remember him calling Wiggins a mix of LeBron/KD/T-Mac during the draft process. I fully agree that Flagg is more an AD caliber prospect, but perception matters, and Wiggins was perceived to be a generational athletic talent.

Comparing Wiggins to Flagg is insane. Even a novice basketball fan can tell the difference in their game at the college level. Flagg has been great in the NCAA Tourney while wiggins was awful if i remember.

[RiotPunch]

It’s not even close. Maple Jordan wasn’t a Naismith award finalist, he wasn’t even a first team All American. Cooper was a unanimous first team All American this year and he is going to win the Wooden award as an early enrollment Freshman next week. He just turned 18 a few months ago.

Wiggins was a hyped HS prospect who was a very good college basketball player, while Flagg was a really hyped HS prospect who has been a generational college basketball player.

He’s up there with Melo, AD and Zion.

True, Flagg has had the far more decorated collegiate career. That HS hype for Wiggins persevered, though. Gottlieb is a knob, but I distinctly remember him calling Wiggins a mix of LeBron/KD/T-Mac during the draft process. I fully agree that Flagg is more an AD caliber prospect, but perception matters, and Wiggins was perceived to be a generational athletic talent.

Comparing Wiggins to Flagg is insane. Even a novice basketball fan can tell the difference in their game at the college level. Flagg has been great in the NCAA Tourney while wiggins was awful if i remember.

Flagg is far and away superior, no one is comparing the two as players. Perceived value/potential/hype as prospects is what is being compared. Wiggins underwhelmed at Kansas, but he was still being hyped as a generational 2-way superstar during the draft process. That's all I'm saying. Flagg has been dominant, Wiggins was not, but the hype and potential stuck with him. Perception vs reality.

[German Athens]

Kinda wonder what the price on Suggs would be.

I feel like Orlando is one of those teams who might be getting a little antsy about their progress. They desperately need shooting, and Suggs has availability issues.

Send Dame out, bring back Suggs.

A Suggs Rollins backcourt would be one of the best defensive backcourt tandems in the league, and both have enough tools to impact the game on the offensive end in a myriad of ways. That would be fun.

[BUCKnation]

Any reason why OKC wouldn’t make a play for Giannis? They have an absolute haul of picks they could use to get him. I guess they prob want to see how things pan out this year. But it could be like Durant joining the 2016 Warriors.

At some point they will need to consolidate, their roster is going to be stacked with guys making 20M+ and they've never been an org to dabble too much in the tax. I was thinking about a KD reunion yesterday if things don't go to plan this post season.

[Ron Swanson]

As has been discussed in the past, OKC's picks are a bunch of mediocre assets with almost zero lottery potential. The only one that has any decent chance of being a high 1st anymore is that 2028 Dallas pick swap. If it's not centered around Jalen/Chet or Jalen and Cason Wallace, then it's a trash offer.

[Profound23]

As has been discussed in the past, OKC's picks are a bunch of mediocre assets with almost zero lottery potential. The only one that has any decent chance of being a high 1st anymore is that 2028 Dallas pick swap. If it's not centered around Jalen/Chet or Jalen and Cason Wallace, then it's a trash offer.

Even if it is centered around those two it is trash. I don't think Chet is that great. He is a good complimentary player but I don't see him leading an NBA team like (barring health issues) eventually Wemby will.

If I get Chet in that trade then I am trading him to a team that owns our picks and getting back our future picks so we can tank, otherwise no dice.

I don't think there is a trade out there that I will like involving Giannis leaving the Bucks. Unless he demands out we have at least 5 solid years of Giannis and we don't own our picks for the next 5 years. This works out well as long as we don't trade anymore future picks. Get a GM in here who knows how to build around Giannis.

[Profound23]

And I think we need to stop the Flagg for Giannis trade possibilities. That isn't happening. Especially saying you want to trade Giannis for Flagg and multiple future firsts. I am not sold on Flagg yet but anyone who gets that pick will be looking at the next 15+ years with him and not trading Flagg for 3-5 years of Giannis knowing a drop off will happen sooner rather than later. Especially not trading Flagg and other assets for Giannis.