Clutch0z24 wrote:
This draft class will have some All stars in it.....Sad we won't be getting a top pick in this one.
It’s funny how this is said every year. Same thing was being said last year.
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Clutch0z24 wrote:
This draft class will have some All stars in it.....Sad we won't be getting a top pick in this one.
Los_29 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:
This draft class will have some All stars in it.....Sad we won't be getting a top pick in this one.
It’s funny how this is said every year. Same thing was being said last year.
Jerry Lucas wrote:Los_29 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:
This draft class will have some All stars in it.....Sad we won't be getting a top pick in this one.
It’s funny how this is said every year. Same thing was being said last year.
This is completely false. Other than casuals buying too much into what the mainstream draft talking heads have to say (which is useless discourse that should be ignored), no one has ever said the 2025 draft has 3 prospects at the level of Darryn Peterson, AJ Dybantsa and Cam Boozer.
If the 2025 and 2026 draft classes were combined, the top 4 would be some combination of Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson/Flagg in no particular order.
Los_29 wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:Los_29 wrote:
It’s funny how this is said every year. Same thing was being said last year.
This is completely false. Other than casuals buying too much into what the mainstream draft talking heads have to say (which is useless discourse that should be ignored), no one has ever said the 2025 draft has 3 prospects at the level of Darryn Peterson, AJ Dybantsa and Cam Boozer.
If the 2025 and 2026 draft classes were combined, the top 4 would be some combination of Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson/Flagg in no particular order.
Jonathan Givony claimed this draft class was the best class he’s seen in the 20 years of covering the draft.
It was an extremely hyped draft class, in many ways more hyped than next years.
Look at the draft discussions on here. I remember people hyping the Banchero draft and how it was a disastrous mistake to not have tanked. Look at how bad that class looks right now.
arbsn wrote:God Squad wrote:Drafting Hugo with our selection would be a fireable offense.
Could be a trade down?? A bunch of teams with multiple late picks (ie Hawks, Nets, Magic) etc…
Would be an interesting play to add multiple young assets. This draft is stocked with NCAA talent, I’m sure some of these euro guys will play out like Saraf, Hugo, Yaxel, Sergio, Traore… could be some diamonds out there
Los_29 wrote:Jonathan Givony claimed this draft class was the best class he’s seen in the 20 years of covering the draft.
It was an extremely hyped draft class, in many ways more hyped than next years.
Look at the draft discussions on here. I remember people hyping the Banchero draft and how it was a disastrous mistake to not have tanked. Look at how bad that class looks right now.
Clutch0z24 wrote:Los_29 wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:This is completely false. Other than casuals buying too much into what the mainstream draft talking heads have to say (which is useless discourse that should be ignored), no one has ever said the 2025 draft has 3 prospects at the level of Darryn Peterson, AJ Dybantsa and Cam Boozer.
If the 2025 and 2026 draft classes were combined, the top 4 would be some combination of Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson/Flagg in no particular order.
Jonathan Givony claimed this draft class was the best class he’s seen in the 20 years of covering the draft.
It was an extremely hyped draft class, in many ways more hyped than next years.
Look at the draft discussions on here. I remember people hyping the Banchero draft and how it was a disastrous mistake to not have tanked. Look at how bad that class looks right now.
This upcoming draft is a good class idk what your talking about....Its rare you have a player on Flaggs level as the number one pick followed by 3 guys who could arguably be number 1/2/3 picks in any other classes in Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe.....Major potential and its also deep because us being at 7-8th im still confident we can find some decent talent There usually drafts fall off the later you pick but this draft has some good prospects even around the 9-10thish picks...
As for next years draft....Its obviously riddled with talent as well....Sim to this draft coming up....If you don't land the number 1 pick your not pulling out your hair like in most draft classes that have just 1 major talent and the rest are meh.....Thats why this and next years classes are stacked to the analysists because its not just a one or two player drafts....Sure Flagg maybe the prize but Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe all have chances to be just as good in the NBA as him....Same for 2026 there are a few guys up top who all seem equal in talent level.....
You can hate on drafts all you want but that is how you go from being a team with a first round exit/play in ceiling (which we are in that bracket next year as a team) vs having a way higher ceiling of a team that can maybe win some rounds and make it deep in the playoffs....For example we end up getting one of Flagg/Bailey/Harper in this draft the ceiling of our team drastically changes ....If we draft a meh player at 8th our ceiling stays the same.....Talent wins and the more high end talent you have the better you will be....
Los_29 wrote:You wrote a lot for nothing. I never said this was a bad draft. The point is it’s not seen as strong as it was last year because these players are playing much better competition. I don’t think any scouts are as bullish on guys like Bailey, Edgecombe and Harper. And the same might be said next year when scouts get a better look at Boozer, Dybantsa and Peterson.
Jerry Lucas wrote:Los_29 wrote:You wrote a lot for nothing. I never said this was a bad draft. The point is it’s not seen as strong as it was last year because these players are playing much better competition. I don’t think any scouts are as bullish on guys like Bailey, Edgecombe and Harper. And the same might be said next year when scouts get a better look at Boozer, Dybantsa and Peterson.
See this is the thing that you're missing in the bolded part of your post Los. No one except for the idiots that run the ESPN draft hype machine geared at casuals, have ever hyped Bailey/Edgecombe/Harper on a Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson/Flagg level.
Like honestly, that stupid article that I hated from the day it came out where Givony said 4 guys can challenge Flagg for #1, completely ruined the discourse around this draft class for the entire season.
Los_29 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:Los_29 wrote:
Jonathan Givony claimed this draft class was the best class he’s seen in the 20 years of covering the draft.
It was an extremely hyped draft class, in many ways more hyped than next years.
Look at the draft discussions on here. I remember people hyping the Banchero draft and how it was a disastrous mistake to not have tanked. Look at how bad that class looks right now.
This upcoming draft is a good class idk what your talking about....Its rare you have a player on Flaggs level as the number one pick followed by 3 guys who could arguably be number 1/2/3 picks in any other classes in Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe.....Major potential and its also deep because us being at 7-8th im still confident we can find some decent talent There usually drafts fall off the later you pick but this draft has some good prospects even around the 9-10thish picks...
As for next years draft....Its obviously riddled with talent as well....Sim to this draft coming up....If you don't land the number 1 pick your not pulling out your hair like in most draft classes that have just 1 major talent and the rest are meh.....Thats why this and next years classes are stacked to the analysists because its not just a one or two player drafts....Sure Flagg maybe the prize but Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe all have chances to be just as good in the NBA as him....Same for 2026 there are a few guys up top who all seem equal in talent level.....
You can hate on drafts all you want but that is how you go from being a team with a first round exit/play in ceiling (which we are in that bracket next year as a team) vs having a way higher ceiling of a team that can maybe win some rounds and make it deep in the playoffs....For example we end up getting one of Flagg/Bailey/Harper in this draft the ceiling of our team drastically changes ....If we draft a meh player at 8th our ceiling stays the same.....Talent wins and the more high end talent you have the better you will be....
You wrote a lot for nothing. I never said this was a bad draft. The point is it’s not seen as strong as it was last year because these players are playing much better competition. I don’t think any scouts are as bullish on guys like Bailey, Edgecombe and Harper. And the same might be said next year when scouts get a better look at Boozer, Dybantsa and Peterson.
Los_29 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:Los_29 wrote:
Jonathan Givony claimed this draft class was the best class he’s seen in the 20 years of covering the draft.
It was an extremely hyped draft class, in many ways more hyped than next years.
Look at the draft discussions on here. I remember people hyping the Banchero draft and how it was a disastrous mistake to not have tanked. Look at how bad that class looks right now.
This upcoming draft is a good class idk what your talking about....Its rare you have a player on Flaggs level as the number one pick followed by 3 guys who could arguably be number 1/2/3 picks in any other classes in Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe.....Major potential and its also deep because us being at 7-8th im still confident we can find some decent talent There usually drafts fall off the later you pick but this draft has some good prospects even around the 9-10thish picks...
As for next years draft....Its obviously riddled with talent as well....Sim to this draft coming up....If you don't land the number 1 pick your not pulling out your hair like in most draft classes that have just 1 major talent and the rest are meh.....Thats why this and next years classes are stacked to the analysists because its not just a one or two player drafts....Sure Flagg maybe the prize but Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe all have chances to be just as good in the NBA as him....Same for 2026 there are a few guys up top who all seem equal in talent level.....
You can hate on drafts all you want but that is how you go from being a team with a first round exit/play in ceiling (which we are in that bracket next year as a team) vs having a way higher ceiling of a team that can maybe win some rounds and make it deep in the playoffs....For example we end up getting one of Flagg/Bailey/Harper in this draft the ceiling of our team drastically changes ....If we draft a meh player at 8th our ceiling stays the same.....Talent wins and the more high end talent you have the better you will be....
You wrote a lot for nothing. I never said this was a bad draft. The point is it’s not seen as strong as it was last year because these players are playing much better competition. I don’t think any scouts are as bullish on guys like Bailey, Edgecombe and Harper. And the same might be said next year when scouts get a better look at Boozer, Dybantsa and Peterson.
Jerry Lucas wrote:Los_29 wrote:You wrote a lot for nothing. I never said this was a bad draft. The point is it’s not seen as strong as it was last year because these players are playing much better competition. I don’t think any scouts are as bullish on guys like Bailey, Edgecombe and Harper. And the same might be said next year when scouts get a better look at Boozer, Dybantsa and Peterson.
See this is the thing that you're missing in the bolded part of your post Los. No one except for the idiots that run the ESPN draft hype machine geared at casuals, have ever hyped Bailey/Edgecombe/Harper on a Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson/Flagg level.
Like honestly, that stupid article that I hated from the day it came out where Givony said 4 guys can challenge Flagg for #1, completely ruined the discourse around this draft class for the entire season.
Indeed wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:Los_29 wrote:You wrote a lot for nothing. I never said this was a bad draft. The point is it’s not seen as strong as it was last year because these players are playing much better competition. I don’t think any scouts are as bullish on guys like Bailey, Edgecombe and Harper. And the same might be said next year when scouts get a better look at Boozer, Dybantsa and Peterson.
See this is the thing that you're missing in the bolded part of your post Los. No one except for the idiots that run the ESPN draft hype machine geared at casuals, have ever hyped Bailey/Edgecombe/Harper on a Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson/Flagg level.
Like honestly, that stupid article that I hated from the day it came out where Givony said 4 guys can challenge Flagg for #1, completely ruined the discourse around this draft class for the entire season.
ESPN did hyped Bailey/Edgecombe/Evans, just that fans weren't into tanking last year.
Everything they do the same, hyping the next draft.
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Los_29 wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:
This upcoming draft is a good class idk what your talking about....Its rare you have a player on Flaggs level as the number one pick followed by 3 guys who could arguably be number 1/2/3 picks in any other classes in Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe.....Major potential and its also deep because us being at 7-8th im still confident we can find some decent talent There usually drafts fall off the later you pick but this draft has some good prospects even around the 9-10thish picks...
As for next years draft....Its obviously riddled with talent as well....Sim to this draft coming up....If you don't land the number 1 pick your not pulling out your hair like in most draft classes that have just 1 major talent and the rest are meh.....Thats why this and next years classes are stacked to the analysists because its not just a one or two player drafts....Sure Flagg maybe the prize but Bailey/Harper/Edgecombe all have chances to be just as good in the NBA as him....Same for 2026 there are a few guys up top who all seem equal in talent level.....
You can hate on drafts all you want but that is how you go from being a team with a first round exit/play in ceiling (which we are in that bracket next year as a team) vs having a way higher ceiling of a team that can maybe win some rounds and make it deep in the playoffs....For example we end up getting one of Flagg/Bailey/Harper in this draft the ceiling of our team drastically changes ....If we draft a meh player at 8th our ceiling stays the same.....Talent wins and the more high end talent you have the better you will be....
You wrote a lot for nothing. I never said this was a bad draft. The point is it’s not seen as strong as it was last year because these players are playing much better competition. I don’t think any scouts are as bullish on guys like Bailey, Edgecombe and Harper. And the same might be said next year when scouts get a better look at Boozer, Dybantsa and Peterson.
The chances of that happening are slim to none. VJ doesn't have a bag he's a role player with poor dimensions. Peterson is already cooking guys and has 6'10 WS.
I can't comment as much about Boozer and Dybantsa but looking at their data it's far stronger than that of Bailey and Harper. Is there a chance they go to college and suck sure. But I doubt it. Boozer is a big man with touch markers shooting 83% from stripe and has been great at every level. Dybantsa's more recent data has been very strong. All of these guys have elite FTr. which only Harper touched at times during various runs. They're better athletes than him. Ace is way behind in understanding how to leverage his athleticism functionally.
And we haven't talked about Quaintance who posted excellent numbers at AZST for a 17 year old who is a physical freak with a workable dribble J and passing flashes. Might be up there next year too.
You can just bring this thread up again next year if these guys are crap so there's a small very unlikely chance we'll give you your flowers.
MEDIC wrote:Indeed wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:See this is the thing that you're missing in the bolded part of your post Los. No one except for the idiots that run the ESPN draft hype machine geared at casuals, have ever hyped Bailey/Edgecombe/Harper on a Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson/Flagg level.
Like honestly, that stupid article that I hated from the day it came out where Givony said 4 guys can challenge Flagg for #1, completely ruined the discourse around this draft class for the entire season.
ESPN did hyped Bailey/Edgecombe/Evans, just that fans weren't into tanking last year.
Everything they do the same, hyping the next draft.
It's funny because when you see player comps (lets use Edgecombe), you see them being compared to guys like Mathurin. I thought this draft waa loaded? Why are you shamelessly tanking just to end up with Bennidict Mathurin?
I think the only can't miss allstar in this draft is Flagg.. After that, it's anyones guess.
MEDIC wrote:Indeed wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:See this is the thing that you're missing in the bolded part of your post Los. No one except for the idiots that run the ESPN draft hype machine geared at casuals, have ever hyped Bailey/Edgecombe/Harper on a Boozer/Dybantsa/Peterson/Flagg level.
Like honestly, that stupid article that I hated from the day it came out where Givony said 4 guys can challenge Flagg for #1, completely ruined the discourse around this draft class for the entire season.
ESPN did hyped Bailey/Edgecombe/Evans, just that fans weren't into tanking last year.
Everything they do the same, hyping the next draft.
It's funny because when you see player comps (lets use Edgecombe), you see them being compared to guys like Mathurin. I thought this draft waa loaded? Why are you shamelessly tanking just to end up with Bennidict Mathurin?
I think the only can't miss allstar in this draft is Flagg.. After that, it's anyones guess.