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deck wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Getting more confident out there and Adding moves
Not just a stand alone shooter if he can continue to add this stuff
Also anyone watching his defense? He’s positionally been solid.
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I've been noticing his team rebounding in particular. He is often very well positioned.
DreamTeam09 wrote:lol it's literally out of sight out of mind or instant gratification or bust with you guys & it's like whye? Is there a rush in this development phase? You guys are casting judgements on the futures of players who aren't even finished their rookie contracts.
GLF wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:lol it's literally out of sight out of mind or instant gratification or bust with you guys & it's like whye? Is there a rush in this development phase? You guys are casting judgements on the futures of players who aren't even finished their rookie contracts.
Thank you! Finally someone said it. And it’s funny because these are the same people who want to tank for years on end. How can you be a tanker but have zero patience with prospects. They do this every time. Growth isn’t linear and we all know this, but right when a player proves that to be true and struggles they are ready to speak in absolutes about what a player will never be. When said player’s prime is still many years away.
I can’t even read the Scottie threads anymore because it has just got very ridiculous. The same people who wanted Fred and Pascal gone because supposedly they took touches away from Scottie and were holding him back, are now completely out on Scottie because in the first year of being the “number 1 option” he didn’t meet THEIR expectations. Rinse, wash, repeat. This is what they do with all young players, but then they want to tank forever. Make it make sense.
Always turning on everyone the moment they have a few flaws or aren’t showing to be prime LeBron. Critique is fine, but when it starts to become this thing where they act like they have a crystal ball and they know what a player will be in their prime. Or act like at 23 or 24 a player is who they are and will never improve on their weaknesses I just tune out.
DreamTeam09 wrote:GLF wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:lol it's literally out of sight out of mind or instant gratification or bust with you guys & it's like whye? Is there a rush in this development phase? You guys are casting judgements on the futures of players who aren't even finished their rookie contracts.
Thank you! Finally someone said it. And it’s funny because these are the same people who want to tank for years on end. How can you be a tanker but have zero patience with prospects. They do this every time. Growth isn’t linear and we all know this, but right when a player proves that to be true and struggles they are ready to speak in absolutes about what a player will never be. When said player’s prime is still many years away.
I can’t even read the Scottie threads anymore because it has just got very ridiculous. The same people who wanted Fred and Pascal gone because supposedly they took touches away from Scottie and were holding him back, are now completely out on Scottie because in the first year of being the “number 1 option” he didn’t meet THEIR expectations. Rinse, wash, repeat. This is what they do with all young players, but then they want to tank forever. Make it make sense.
Always turning on everyone the moment they have a few flaws or aren’t showing to be prime LeBron. Critique is fine, but when it starts to become this thing where they act like they have a crystal ball and they know what a player will be in their prime. Or act like at 23 or 24 a player is who they are and will never improve on their weaknesses I just tune out.
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
DreamTeam09 wrote:GLF wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:lol it's literally out of sight out of mind or instant gratification or bust with you guys & it's like whye? Is there a rush in this development phase? You guys are casting judgements on the futures of players who aren't even finished their rookie contracts.
Thank you! Finally someone said it. And it’s funny because these are the same people who want to tank for years on end. How can you be a tanker but have zero patience with prospects. They do this every time. Growth isn’t linear and we all know this, but right when a player proves that to be true and struggles they are ready to speak in absolutes about what a player will never be. When said player’s prime is still many years away.
I can’t even read the Scottie threads anymore because it has just got very ridiculous. The same people who wanted Fred and Pascal gone because supposedly they took touches away from Scottie and were holding him back, are now completely out on Scottie because in the first year of being the “number 1 option” he didn’t meet THEIR expectations. Rinse, wash, repeat. This is what they do with all young players, but then they want to tank forever. Make it make sense.
Always turning on everyone the moment they have a few flaws or aren’t showing to be prime LeBron. Critique is fine, but when it starts to become this thing where they act like they have a crystal ball and they know what a player will be in their prime. Or act like at 23 or 24 a player is who they are and will never improve on their weaknesses I just tune out.
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
YogurtProducer wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:GLF wrote:
Thank you! Finally someone said it. And it’s funny because these are the same people who want to tank for years on end. How can you be a tanker but have zero patience with prospects. They do this every time. Growth isn’t linear and we all know this, but right when a player proves that to be true and struggles they are ready to speak in absolutes about what a player will never be. When said player’s prime is still many years away.
I can’t even read the Scottie threads anymore because it has just got very ridiculous. The same people who wanted Fred and Pascal gone because supposedly they took touches away from Scottie and were holding him back, are now completely out on Scottie because in the first year of being the “number 1 option” he didn’t meet THEIR expectations. Rinse, wash, repeat. This is what they do with all young players, but then they want to tank forever. Make it make sense.
Always turning on everyone the moment they have a few flaws or aren’t showing to be prime LeBron. Critique is fine, but when it starts to become this thing where they act like they have a crystal ball and they know what a player will be in their prime. Or act like at 23 or 24 a player is who they are and will never improve on their weaknesses I just tune out.
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
IDK if you call Dicks year a slump. He just hasn't really improved nor shown anything outside of higher draft pedigree.
He just is a low floor and low ceiling player. Worst case he shoots 35% from 3 an is a bad defender who doesnt shoot. Best case he becomes and elite shooter who still is a bench guy cause he cant defend.
IMO I would be moving Dick. Is there still growth there? Absolutely. But I don't see even his best case being super valuable. If you can replace him with BAttle who is doing when we expected a young Dick to do then we should be fine. We are going to have a crunch for minutes at the 2-guard, and Dick is about 4th on the list of guys I wanna see (RJ / Agbaji / Walter ahead of him)
AND there is a decent chance we take another 2 guard in this draft considering how many are available. I just think Dick is a sell right now. He still has some "young" appeal before he gets to his 2nd contract and ends up having Kevin Huerter value.
Tripod wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
IDK if you call Dicks year a slump. He just hasn't really improved nor shown anything outside of higher draft pedigree.
He just is a low floor and low ceiling player. Worst case he shoots 35% from 3 an is a bad defender who doesnt shoot. Best case he becomes and elite shooter who still is a bench guy cause he cant defend.
IMO I would be moving Dick. Is there still growth there? Absolutely. But I don't see even his best case being super valuable. If you can replace him with BAttle who is doing when we expected a young Dick to do then we should be fine. We are going to have a crunch for minutes at the 2-guard, and Dick is about 4th on the list of guys I wanna see (RJ / Agbaji / Walter ahead of him)
AND there is a decent chance we take another 2 guard in this draft considering how many are available. I just think Dick is a sell right now. He still has some "young" appeal before he gets to his 2nd contract and ends up having Kevin Huerter value.
Lively! Lively! Lively!
Backup C role filled. Draft G with our 1st, draft C/PF with Port 2nd.
Be great defensively.
PushDaRock wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:GLF wrote:
Thank you! Finally someone said it. And it’s funny because these are the same people who want to tank for years on end. How can you be a tanker but have zero patience with prospects. They do this every time. Growth isn’t linear and we all know this, but right when a player proves that to be true and struggles they are ready to speak in absolutes about what a player will never be. When said player’s prime is still many years away.
I can’t even read the Scottie threads anymore because it has just got very ridiculous. The same people who wanted Fred and Pascal gone because supposedly they took touches away from Scottie and were holding him back, are now completely out on Scottie because in the first year of being the “number 1 option” he didn’t meet THEIR expectations. Rinse, wash, repeat. This is what they do with all young players, but then they want to tank forever. Make it make sense.
Always turning on everyone the moment they have a few flaws or aren’t showing to be prime LeBron. Critique is fine, but when it starts to become this thing where they act like they have a crystal ball and they know what a player will be in their prime. Or act like at 23 or 24 a player is who they are and will never improve on their weaknesses I just tune out.
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
What's your plan for rotation minutes at the 2/3 next season? We have Ingram and RJ who both will play over 30 mins. Then, you have Gradey, Ochai, Walter and Battle fighting over what's left. That's less than 40 minutes for those 4 players, someone is not going to play. If you play Ingram at the 4, it opens up a bit more but it's still not going to be enough for everyone.
YogurtProducer wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:GLF wrote:
Thank you! Finally someone said it. And it’s funny because these are the same people who want to tank for years on end. How can you be a tanker but have zero patience with prospects. They do this every time. Growth isn’t linear and we all know this, but right when a player proves that to be true and struggles they are ready to speak in absolutes about what a player will never be. When said player’s prime is still many years away.
I can’t even read the Scottie threads anymore because it has just got very ridiculous. The same people who wanted Fred and Pascal gone because supposedly they took touches away from Scottie and were holding him back, are now completely out on Scottie because in the first year of being the “number 1 option” he didn’t meet THEIR expectations. Rinse, wash, repeat. This is what they do with all young players, but then they want to tank forever. Make it make sense.
Always turning on everyone the moment they have a few flaws or aren’t showing to be prime LeBron. Critique is fine, but when it starts to become this thing where they act like they have a crystal ball and they know what a player will be in their prime. Or act like at 23 or 24 a player is who they are and will never improve on their weaknesses I just tune out.
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
IDK if you call Dicks year a slump. He just hasn't really improved nor shown anything outside of higher draft pedigree.
He just is a low floor and low ceiling player. Worst case he shoots 35% from 3 an is a bad defender who doesnt shoot. Best case he becomes and elite shooter who still is a bench guy cause he cant defend.
IMO I would be moving Dick. Is there still growth there? Absolutely. But I don't see even his best case being super valuable. If you can replace him with BAttle who is doing when we expected a young Dick to do then we should be fine. We are going to have a crunch for minutes at the 2-guard, and Dick is about 4th on the list of guys I wanna see (RJ / Agbaji / Walter ahead of him)
AND there is a decent chance we take another 2 guard in this draft considering how many are available. I just think Dick is a sell right now. He still has some "young" appeal before he gets to his 2nd contract and ends up having Kevin Huerter value.
DreamTeam09 wrote:PushDaRock wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
What's your plan for rotation minutes at the 2/3 next season? We have Ingram and RJ who both will play over 30 mins. Then, you have Gradey, Ochai, Walter and Battle fighting over what's left. That's less than 40 minutes for those 4 players, someone is not going to play. If you play Ingram at the 4, it opens up a bit more but it's still not going to be enough for everyone.
There definitely will be a time crunch, someone is gonna have to prove themselves as rotation worthy, but that is a good thing and I'm not sure GD gets the short end of the stick on that front, especially out the gate.
His gravity is something that's unparalleled on this roster,
DreamTeam09 wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
IDK if you call Dicks year a slump. He just hasn't really improved nor shown anything outside of higher draft pedigree.
He just is a low floor and low ceiling player. Worst case he shoots 35% from 3 an is a bad defender who doesnt shoot. Best case he becomes and elite shooter who still is a bench guy cause he cant defend.
IMO I would be moving Dick. Is there still growth there? Absolutely. But I don't see even his best case being super valuable. If you can replace him with BAttle who is doing when we expected a young Dick to do then we should be fine. We are going to have a crunch for minutes at the 2-guard, and Dick is about 4th on the list of guys I wanna see (RJ / Agbaji / Walter ahead of him)
AND there is a decent chance we take another 2 guard in this draft considering how many are available. I just think Dick is a sell right now. He still has some "young" appeal before he gets to his 2nd contract and ends up having Kevin Huerter value.
We are not taking a SG for that very said reason, unless we luck into #2 & take Harper, maybe VJ at 4 / even then GD is tall enough to play backup SF. In terms of pecking order for our youngn's to start the year it's gonna be
2025 draft pick
GD
Ochai
Shead
Mogbo
Walter
Battle
As much as I like Battle, he's still on a min contract & is two years older than GD, logically you would still give GD a shot ahead of him, and I'm not sure why everyone is acting like GD is a lost cause, he started the year balling & was avg like 19
YogurtProducer wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:GLF wrote:
Thank you! Finally someone said it. And it’s funny because these are the same people who want to tank for years on end. How can you be a tanker but have zero patience with prospects. They do this every time. Growth isn’t linear and we all know this, but right when a player proves that to be true and struggles they are ready to speak in absolutes about what a player will never be. When said player’s prime is still many years away.
I can’t even read the Scottie threads anymore because it has just got very ridiculous. The same people who wanted Fred and Pascal gone because supposedly they took touches away from Scottie and were holding him back, are now completely out on Scottie because in the first year of being the “number 1 option” he didn’t meet THEIR expectations. Rinse, wash, repeat. This is what they do with all young players, but then they want to tank forever. Make it make sense.
Always turning on everyone the moment they have a few flaws or aren’t showing to be prime LeBron. Critique is fine, but when it starts to become this thing where they act like they have a crystal ball and they know what a player will be in their prime. Or act like at 23 or 24 a player is who they are and will never improve on their weaknesses I just tune out.
Heaven forbids a sophomore slump occurs smh smh, or a player trying to add new things to his repitore that will take a full season to incorporate
IDK if you call Dicks year a slump. He just hasn't really improved nor shown anything outside of higher draft pedigree.
He just is a low floor and low ceiling player. Worst case he shoots 35% from 3 an is a bad defender who doesnt shoot. Best case he becomes and elite shooter who still is a bench guy cause he cant defend.
IMO I would be moving Dick. Is there still growth there? Absolutely. But I don't see even his best case being super valuable. If you can replace him with BAttle who is doing when we expected a young Dick to do then we should be fine. We are going to have a crunch for minutes at the 2-guard, and Dick is about 4th on the list of guys I wanna see (RJ / Agbaji / Walter ahead of him)
AND there is a decent chance we take another 2 guard in this draft considering how many are available. I just think Dick is a sell right now. He still has some "young" appeal before he gets to his 2nd contract and ends up having Kevin Huerter value.
Psubs wrote:Agbaji seems the odd man out and should sell, while his 3pt% is still around 38%.
Anyone else notice that Battle is looking trimmed down and moving his feet laterally on defense?!?!?! Coaching really works. If he can get his defense up to average he'll be insanely useful and at least and MLE level rotation player on a championship team.
PushDaRock wrote:Psubs wrote:Agbaji seems the odd man out and should sell, while his 3pt% is still around 38%.
Anyone else notice that Battle is looking trimmed down and moving his feet laterally on defense?!?!?! Coaching really works. If he can get his defense up to average he'll be insanely useful and at least and MLE level rotation player on a championship team.
Why would Ochai be the odd man out? He's a low USG guy that can defend and shoot the 3, basically the perfect complimentary player to guys like Ingram, RJ, IQ and Scottie who need the ball in their hands more. His market is already set too if he wants to sign an extension, he's likely getting the same contract Okoro did who had a nearly identical season last year. You're looking at 3 years 33 million range, which is perfectly acceptable for a rotation player on a decent team.
LoveMyRaps wrote:Our Jontay replacement.
905 team is gonna be a lot more fun to watch this year.