Elephant in the room but isn't Barnes suppose to be getting better?

[PushDaRock]

People don't see the bigger picture of a truly selfless superstar.

Not only did he give up an opportunity, at a Super max (cap friendly), He's also has the willingness to work on things that are uncomfortable, that are compounded by both the injures, and the talent level around him.

If we just wanted him to be "great" then he wouldn't be working on the uncomfortable, and the tankers would be upset, because we wouldn't be in the lottery.

Also, most importantly, for the haters, his max contract starts next season.

Agreed, I don't think I've seen a player as selfless as him since Bargnani who even as a 7 footer would willingly give up rebounds to his teammates.

[Prestige]

Let’s see what happens next season. I suspect he’s the type of player that plays up or down to the level of the team and needs better players around him to unlock his value, like a super Derrick White. Will he be worth his contract? Only time will tell.

[TeamDisgruntled]

Since having an incredible 50 game start to the 23-24 season in which he made the all star team and shot 48% from the floor, 36.5% from 3, Scottie has played 70 games over roughly a season and a half.

During this stretch he has battled some injuries, a constantly changing roster, and a new role as the lead man and the centre of opposing teams game plans. I saw a TON of ppl writing off Halliburton after he had an even longer rough stretch than Scottie has had as he dealt with some injuries. Everyone writing off Scottie this quickly has zero patience. In the long run you may be right, you may be wrong, but basing his entire future off of this last run seems premature.

All it would take is Scottie shooting 34-37% from 3 and the floor would open up once again, allowing his offence to look a lot better. It’s easy to scoff at right now, he’s been awful from 3 this year, no doubt. But you have ppl praising Giddey and his improvement while writing off Scottie. What changed for Giddey? Suddenly he could shoot and now everything’s changed for the better.

We can't just say Scottie is gonna shoot 34-37% from 3 lol

Except I never said “HE WILL”. I’m just pointing out that while everyone thinks the sky is falling and that Scottie is a rich man’s Bismack Biyombo on offense, it’s mostly just terrible 3pt shooting. You would think his 2pt efficiency has fallen of a cliff, but it’s down a couple percentage points on an extra attempt per game. The reality is shooting is a massive determinate of offensive efficiency and the opportunities you can generate for yourself and others. Scottie doesn’t have to be a 40% from 3 guy to have a great career, but if he could get somewhere around average give or take a percentage point, things will open up for him once again.

Despite all his struggles he’s still shooting it fairly well from the line, similar to last season. FT% doesn’t always translate to being able to shoot the 3 but it leaves a glimmer of hope for sure. With decreased usage you would hope Scottie can take the majority of his 3s from the corners where he has been a bit better over his career. Playing primarily as the 4 and having the ball in the hands of our better ball handlers should allow for this.

Ultimately only time will tell, I’m not going to come to any massive conclusions in a throw away season. If someone wants to gift you Giannis or a top 10-15 guy under 30 for Scottie, then sure let’s do it. Otherwise I’ll ride it out.

[wegotthabeet]

Since having an incredible 50 game start to the 23-24 season in which he made the all star team and shot 48% from the floor, 36.5% from 3, Scottie has played 70 games over roughly a season and a half.

During this stretch he has battled some injuries, a constantly changing roster, and a new role as the lead man and the centre of opposing teams game plans. I saw a TON of ppl writing off Halliburton after he had an even longer rough stretch than Scottie has had as he dealt with some injuries. Everyone writing off Scottie this quickly has zero patience. In the long run you may be right, you may be wrong, but basing his entire future off of this last run seems premature.

All it would take is Scottie shooting 34-37% from 3 and the floor would open up once again, allowing his offence to look a lot better. It’s easy to scoff at right now, he’s been awful from 3 this year, no doubt. But you have ppl praising Giddey and his improvement while writing off Scottie. What changed for Giddey? Suddenly he could shoot and now everything’s changed for the better.

Yep people who post here are pretty victims of the moment. They want Scottie to look like a future superstar and simultaneously land a top 4 pick, but life doesn’t work like that. A year ago he’s the best player from his draft class. This year most people don’t have him in the top five. Scroll through this thread and you’ll read dozens of horrible takes. Next year when he’s back at an all star level these dudes won’t even remember what they wrote a few months earlier.

People want him to play like a superstar because he's gonna be paid like one not only that but I don't know if
he's played like a top 75-100 player since the All-Star break. Also players from the 2021 draft are still young and
players stocks are constantly fluctuating. How are you so confident he will make the All-Star team next year and
everyone is so wrong? his usage will go down with Ingram and possibly our 1st round pick.

That's what I'm saying. Wait until next year when he is actually getting paid the rookie max and the team is actually trying to win games before drawing conclusions. I just wouldn't put too much weight into his performance this year for many reasons.

If he's playing at this level next year then it's a negative contract and the Raptors blew his development. I'm predicting he makes a massive leap next season. Can you think of an example of the Raptors messing up a players development under Masai & Bobby? All their drafted players exceed expectations, why is Scottie going to be different? He had a weak 2nd season as well, then turned it around in year 3. I expect the same next year, but could be wrong. Maybe he peaked already, but I doubt it.

[Tha Cynic]

People don't see the bigger picture of a truly selfless superstar.

Not only did he give up an opportunity, at a Super max (cap friendly), He's also has the willingness to work on things that are uncomfortable, that are compounded by both the injures, and the talent level around him.

If we just wanted him to be "great" then he wouldn't be working on the uncomfortable, and the tankers would be upset, because we wouldn't be in the lottery.

Also, most importantly, for the haters, his max contract starts next season.

Your posts come off as almost trolling lol, so the drones will converge on this. I also kind of got bored with the same people saying the same thing to your posts which are heavily skewed one way, which is why i even got back in this thread.

Barnes has been bad on offense and we can't use excuses. But he is young and someone who's trying to become good at something that he has struggled with in the past. I disagree with people who think he can't improve his efficiency. We'll see what happens. One side can look at numbers and say numbers show that historically, this happens. I will look at the situation around him and his personal situation and think, there are some things we can say indicate this can get better if he does this and this. It's not going to be an easy process and something that may not happen, but it's too early to just write him off on offense and put him as a 4th or 5th option who has a reduced role lol. The dude has never been a high volume guy to begin with from a scoring perspective. One thing that stands out is that his offences gets much worse the longer he holds onto the ball from inside the arc, or when he takes more than 3 dribbles, so he needs to be much quicker in his offensive decision-making which is something players get used to on offense when they become focuses of defense. Next season I would like him to focus on making a quick decision and attacking rather than taking multiple dribbles or holding onto the ball and letting his team and defenses set. He doesn't have enough of a bag to play like he's Kobe Bryant.

Banchero and Wagner have both also struggled from offense and have been very all over the place in their career so far in terms of efficiency for example. There is time for young players to improve. The writing a player off at the worst stretch of his career when the team is actively tanking probably isn't the best time to rate a player overall and project him for the rest of his career.

But if it helps conversation on this board so people have something to talk about, then continue.

[Indeed]

Yep people who post here are pretty victims of the moment. They want Scottie to look like a future superstar and simultaneously land a top 4 pick, but life doesn’t work like that. A year ago he’s the best player from his draft class. This year most people don’t have him in the top five. Scroll through this thread and you’ll read dozens of horrible takes. Next year when he’s back at an all star level these dudes won’t even remember what they wrote a few months earlier.

People want him to play like a superstar because he's gonna be paid like one not only that but I don't know if
he's played like a top 75-100 player since the All-Star break. Also players from the 2021 draft are still young and
players stocks are constantly fluctuating. How are you so confident he will make the All-Star team next year and
everyone is so wrong? his usage will go down with Ingram and possibly our 1st round pick.

That's what I'm saying. Wait until next year when he is actually getting paid the rookie max and the team is actually trying to win games before drawing conclusions. I just wouldn't put too much weight into his performance this year for many reasons.

If he's playing at this level next year then it's a negative contract and the Raptors blew his development. I'm predicting he makes a massive leap next season. Can you think of an example of the Raptors messing up a players development under Masai & Bobby? All their drafted players exceed expectations, why is Scottie going to be different? He had a weak 2nd season as well, then turned it around in year 3. I expect the same next year, but could be wrong. Maybe he peaked already, but I doubt it.

Every year people think he has (or would have) a massive leap, it was due to VanVleet and Siakam being in his way.
Now people are saying we need VanVleet and Siakam for him to perform well, yet, looking back at him playing with good players, he wasn't doing exceptionally well.
So what direction exactly do we want to go with? Are we developing him into a side kick? Or are we still making him the focal point? Either way still sound like we need near-max players with him, right?

[PushDaRock]

People don't see the bigger picture of a truly selfless superstar.

Not only did he give up an opportunity, at a Super max (cap friendly), He's also has the willingness to work on things that are uncomfortable, that are compounded by both the injures, and the talent level around him.

If we just wanted him to be "great" then he wouldn't be working on the uncomfortable, and the tankers would be upset, because we wouldn't be in the lottery.

Also, most importantly, for the haters, his max contract starts next season.

Your posts come off as almost trolling lol, so the drones will converge on this. I also kind of got bored with the same people saying the same thing to your posts which are heavily skewed one way, which is why i even got back in this thread.

Barnes has been bad on offense and we can't use excuses. But he is young and someone who's trying to become good at something that he has struggled with in the past. I disagree with people who think he can't improve his efficiency. We'll see what happens. One side can look at numbers and say numbers show that historically, this happens. I will look at the situation around him and his personal situation and think, there are some things we can say indicate this can get better if he does this and this. It's not going to be an easy process and something that may not happen, but it's too early to just write him off on offense and put him as a 4th or 5th option who has a reduced role lol. The dude has never been a high volume guy to begin with from a scoring perspective.

Banchero and Wagner have both also struggled from offense and have been very all over the place in their career so far in terms of efficiency for example. There is time for young players to improve. The writing a player off at the worst stretch of his career when the team is actively tanking probably isn't the best time to rate a player overall and project him for the rest of his career.

But if it helps conversation on this board so people have something to talk about, then continue.

Banchero and Franz aren't good comparisons in this situation.

Banchero: 20 ppg -> 22.6 ppg -> 26 ppg
Franz: 15.2 ppg -> 18.6 ppg -> 19.7 ppg -> 24.2 ppg

Scottie: 15.3 ppg -> 15.3 ppg -> 19.9 ppg -> 19.2 ppg

We can look at efficiency or whatever, but those guys have increased their production as a scorer every single year while Scottie has taken a backwards step in 2 of his 3 seasons. We can say stuff like development isn't linear but it also doesn't typically look like this either. He's in year 4 now and has been a day 1 starter averaging 34 mpg in his career, he hasn't been bad offensively from a lack of opportunity. If you can find me someone with the same development path as him that ended up really good offensively, I'm all ears and would be more open to that possibility.

[Tha Cynic]

People don't see the bigger picture of a truly selfless superstar.

Not only did he give up an opportunity, at a Super max (cap friendly), He's also has the willingness to work on things that are uncomfortable, that are compounded by both the injures, and the talent level around him.

If we just wanted him to be "great" then he wouldn't be working on the uncomfortable, and the tankers would be upset, because we wouldn't be in the lottery.

Also, most importantly, for the haters, his max contract starts next season.

Your posts come off as almost trolling lol, so the drones will converge on this. I also kind of got bored with the same people saying the same thing to your posts which are heavily skewed one way, which is why i even got back in this thread.

Barnes has been bad on offense and we can't use excuses. But he is young and someone who's trying to become good at something that he has struggled with in the past. I disagree with people who think he can't improve his efficiency. We'll see what happens. One side can look at numbers and say numbers show that historically, this happens. I will look at the situation around him and his personal situation and think, there are some things we can say indicate this can get better if he does this and this. It's not going to be an easy process and something that may not happen, but it's too early to just write him off on offense and put him as a 4th or 5th option who has a reduced role lol. The dude has never been a high volume guy to begin with from a scoring perspective.

Banchero and Wagner have both also struggled from offense and have been very all over the place in their career so far in terms of efficiency for example. There is time for young players to improve. The writing a player off at the worst stretch of his career when the team is actively tanking probably isn't the best time to rate a player overall and project him for the rest of his career.

But if it helps conversation on this board so people have something to talk about, then continue.

Banchero and Franz aren't good comparisons in this situation.

Banchero: 20 ppg -> 22.6 ppg -> 26 ppg
Franz: 15.2 ppg -> 18.6 ppg -> 19.7 ppg -> 24.2 ppg

Scottie: 15.3 ppg -> 15.3 ppg -> 19.9 ppg -> 19.2 ppg

We can look at efficiency or whatever, but those guys have increased their production as a scorer every single year while Scottie has taken a backwards step in 2 of his 3 seasons. We can say stuff like development isn't linear but it also doesn't typically look like this either. He's in year 4 now and has been a day 1 starter averaging 34 mpg in his career, he hasn't been bad offensively from a lack of opportunity. If you can find me someone with the same development path as him that ended up really good offensively, I'm all ears and would be more open to that possibility.

Yes, because they are actively trying to score more regardless of their efficiency, and that's not how Barnes plays. Are you saying Barnes should have an arbitrary number of points he should try to reach and should do whatever he can do to reach it, because that's how Banchero plays for example.

If you want a guy who’s trying to be a 25-30 PPG player, that’s not Barnes. He will never be that and he has never shown he wants to be that. His entire career he has always focused his energy more on defense than offense.

[PushDaRock]

Your posts come off as almost trolling lol, so the drones will converge on this. I also kind of got bored with the same people saying the same thing to your posts which are heavily skewed one way, which is why i even got back in this thread.

Barnes has been bad on offense and we can't use excuses. But he is young and someone who's trying to become good at something that he has struggled with in the past. I disagree with people who think he can't improve his efficiency. We'll see what happens. One side can look at numbers and say numbers show that historically, this happens. I will look at the situation around him and his personal situation and think, there are some things we can say indicate this can get better if he does this and this. It's not going to be an easy process and something that may not happen, but it's too early to just write him off on offense and put him as a 4th or 5th option who has a reduced role lol. The dude has never been a high volume guy to begin with from a scoring perspective.

Banchero and Wagner have both also struggled from offense and have been very all over the place in their career so far in terms of efficiency for example. There is time for young players to improve. The writing a player off at the worst stretch of his career when the team is actively tanking probably isn't the best time to rate a player overall and project him for the rest of his career.

But if it helps conversation on this board so people have something to talk about, then continue.

Banchero and Franz aren't good comparisons in this situation.

Banchero: 20 ppg -> 22.6 ppg -> 26 ppg
Franz: 15.2 ppg -> 18.6 ppg -> 19.7 ppg -> 24.2 ppg

Scottie: 15.3 ppg -> 15.3 ppg -> 19.9 ppg -> 19.2 ppg

We can look at efficiency or whatever, but those guys have increased their production as a scorer every single year while Scottie has taken a backwards step in 2 of his 3 seasons. We can say stuff like development isn't linear but it also doesn't typically look like this either. He's in year 4 now and has been a day 1 starter averaging 34 mpg in his career, he hasn't been bad offensively from a lack of opportunity. If you can find me someone with the same development path as him that ended up really good offensively, I'm all ears and would be more open to that possibility.

Yes, because they are actively trying to score more regardless of their efficiency, and that's not how Barnes plays. Are you saying Barnes should have an arbitrary number of points he should try to reach and should do whatever he can do to reach it, because that's how Banchero plays for example.

If you want a guy who’s trying to be a 25-30 PPG player, that’s not Barnes. He will never be that and he has never shown he wants to be that. His entire career he has always focused his energy more on defense than offense.

Who is saying anything about 25-30 ppg? Most of us would be incredibly happy if he's a 20 ppg scorer on league average efficiency. The problem is he's not projecting to be anywhere near that right now, my expectation is closer to a 15 ppg scorer on a good team with likely below average efficiency. If we are paying a guy like that the max, we need All-NBA D from him to make that contract worth it.

[Naysorn]

Let’s see what happens next season. I suspect he’s the type of player that plays up or down to the level of the team and needs better players around him to unlock his value, like a super Derrick White. Will he be worth his contract? Only time will tell.

yeah hes a ceiling raiser not a floor raiser

a lot of ppl know this

i'd like to see him next to ingram, the #7 and improved young players

but next year is it. no more excuses after next year. he's a max player now.

[ConSarnit]

Your posts come off as almost trolling lol, so the drones will converge on this. I also kind of got bored with the same people saying the same thing to your posts which are heavily skewed one way, which is why i even got back in this thread.

Barnes has been bad on offense and we can't use excuses. But he is young and someone who's trying to become good at something that he has struggled with in the past. I disagree with people who think he can't improve his efficiency. We'll see what happens. One side can look at numbers and say numbers show that historically, this happens. I will look at the situation around him and his personal situation and think, there are some things we can say indicate this can get better if he does this and this. It's not going to be an easy process and something that may not happen, but it's too early to just write him off on offense and put him as a 4th or 5th option who has a reduced role lol. The dude has never been a high volume guy to begin with from a scoring perspective.

Banchero and Wagner have both also struggled from offense and have been very all over the place in their career so far in terms of efficiency for example. There is time for young players to improve. The writing a player off at the worst stretch of his career when the team is actively tanking probably isn't the best time to rate a player overall and project him for the rest of his career.

But if it helps conversation on this board so people have something to talk about, then continue.

Banchero and Franz aren't good comparisons in this situation.

Banchero: 20 ppg -> 22.6 ppg -> 26 ppg
Franz: 15.2 ppg -> 18.6 ppg -> 19.7 ppg -> 24.2 ppg

Scottie: 15.3 ppg -> 15.3 ppg -> 19.9 ppg -> 19.2 ppg

We can look at efficiency or whatever, but those guys have increased their production as a scorer every single year while Scottie has taken a backwards step in 2 of his 3 seasons. We can say stuff like development isn't linear but it also doesn't typically look like this either. He's in year 4 now and has been a day 1 starter averaging 34 mpg in his career, he hasn't been bad offensively from a lack of opportunity. If you can find me someone with the same development path as him that ended up really good offensively, I'm all ears and would be more open to that possibility.

Yes, because they are actively trying to score more regardless of their efficiency, and that's not how Barnes plays. Are you saying Barnes should have an arbitrary number of points he should try to reach and should do whatever he can do to reach it, because that's how Banchero plays for example.

If you want a guy who’s trying to be a 25-30 PPG player, that’s not Barnes. He will never be that and he has never shown he wants to be that. His entire career he has always focused his energy more on defense than offense.

The number of points is the problem. Those guys scaled up their scoring and are still more efficient than Barnes. Scoring 25ppg on 55 TS% isn’t very good. Scoring 19ppg on 53 TS% is horrible. Not being a volume scorer should make you MORE efficient.

Explain the “saves his energy for defense” argument. So in order for him to be good on defense he doesn’t have the energy to be efficient on offense? Who wants that type of player? So now we’ve got a guy who can only be good on one side of the ball because he doesn’t have the energy to do both? Glad we’re paying the max for that!

[Dalek]

Scottie Barnes in 2024-2025:
.522 TS%
.291 FTR
27.6 AST%
2.9 BLK%
2.2 STL%

Those show me that he is an outstanding defender on a terrible offensive team, and at least a willing passer. Put those types of numbers on a winning team which we will be next year you could get the following:

Ron Artest All-Star/DPOY/All-NBA 3rd team in 2003-2004
.511 TS%
.395 FTR
19.2 AST%
1.4 BLK%
3.1STL%

Assuming Ingram, Barrett, IQ and 2025 rookie add efficient scoring, and we have Barnes and Poeltl anchoring the defense, this should be a winning team. I don't have hope for Barnes as an offensive leader, but he already has shown elite defense and just needs to scale back on the volume and bad shot taking. I think he should aim for all-NBA Defensive 1st or 2nd team next year.

[OakleyDokely]

His defense has improved significantly, at least from a consistency standpoint. He can be a defensive anchor in many schemes.

This season has also shown the need for a legit scorer, which is why Ingram was brought in. Hopefully, with less offensive attention, Scottie can improve his efficiency next season with better offensive talent around him.

[wegotthabeet]

People want him to play like a superstar because he's gonna be paid like one not only that but I don't know if
he's played like a top 75-100 player since the All-Star break. Also players from the 2021 draft are still young and
players stocks are constantly fluctuating. How are you so confident he will make the All-Star team next year and
everyone is so wrong? his usage will go down with Ingram and possibly our 1st round pick.

That's what I'm saying. Wait until next year when he is actually getting paid the rookie max and the team is actually trying to win games before drawing conclusions. I just wouldn't put too much weight into his performance this year for many reasons.

If he's playing at this level next year then it's a negative contract and the Raptors blew his development. I'm predicting he makes a massive leap next season. Can you think of an example of the Raptors messing up a players development under Masai & Bobby? All their drafted players exceed expectations, why is Scottie going to be different? He had a weak 2nd season as well, then turned it around in year 3. I expect the same next year, but could be wrong. Maybe he peaked already, but I doubt it.

Every year people think he has (or would have) a massive leap, it was due to VanVleet and Siakam being in his way.
Now people are saying we need VanVleet and Siakam for him to perform well, yet, looking back at him playing with good players, he wasn't doing exceptionally well.
So what direction exactly do we want to go with? Are we developing him into a side kick? Or are we still making him the focal point? Either way still sound like we need near-max players with him, right?

The jump in advanced stats from year 2 to 3 is pretty massive and noteworthy.

He’s being developed in the mold of Draymond. He’s not going to be the first option, but the offense will run through him and he will be able anchor the defense. Depends on how you view prime Draymond, but to me he was a superstar number 2. Still need to find Scottie’s Curry. We have a ton of talent that will eventually be consolidated to get that guy when they become available.

[PushDaRock]

That's what I'm saying. Wait until next year when he is actually getting paid the rookie max and the team is actually trying to win games before drawing conclusions. I just wouldn't put too much weight into his performance this year for many reasons.

If he's playing at this level next year then it's a negative contract and the Raptors blew his development. I'm predicting he makes a massive leap next season. Can you think of an example of the Raptors messing up a players development under Masai & Bobby? All their drafted players exceed expectations, why is Scottie going to be different? He had a weak 2nd season as well, then turned it around in year 3. I expect the same next year, but could be wrong. Maybe he peaked already, but I doubt it.

Every year people think he has (or would have) a massive leap, it was due to VanVleet and Siakam being in his way.
Now people are saying we need VanVleet and Siakam for him to perform well, yet, looking back at him playing with good players, he wasn't doing exceptionally well.
So what direction exactly do we want to go with? Are we developing him into a side kick? Or are we still making him the focal point? Either way still sound like we need near-max players with him, right?

The jump in advanced stats from year 2 to 3 is pretty massive and noteworthy.

He’s being developed in the mold of Draymond. He’s not going to be the first option, but the offense will run through him and he will be able anchor the defense. Depends on how you view prime Draymond, but to me he was a superstar number 2. Still need to find Scottie’s Curry. We have a ton of talent that will eventually be consolidated to get that guy when they become available.

He has not been developed like Draymond at all. Go look at their USG rates, Scottie is at 26.8% this season and his USG has gone up every year.

Draymond is at 15.5% for his career and never broke 19% for any season in his career. He knew his own limitations and never tried to go beyond what he was capable of and that's why his career scoring numbers are what they are.

[wegotthabeet]

Every year people think he has (or would have) a massive leap, it was due to VanVleet and Siakam being in his way.
Now people are saying we need VanVleet and Siakam for him to perform well, yet, looking back at him playing with good players, he wasn't doing exceptionally well.
So what direction exactly do we want to go with? Are we developing him into a side kick? Or are we still making him the focal point? Either way still sound like we need near-max players with him, right?

The jump in advanced stats from year 2 to 3 is pretty massive and noteworthy.

He’s being developed in the mold of Draymond. He’s not going to be the first option, but the offense will run through him and he will be able anchor the defense. Depends on how you view prime Draymond, but to me he was a superstar number 2. Still need to find Scottie’s Curry. We have a ton of talent that will eventually be consolidated to get that guy when they become available.

He has not been developed like Draymond at all. Go look at their USG rates, Scottie is at 26.8% this season and his USG has gone up every year.

Draymond is at 15.5% for his career and never broke 19% for any season in his career. He knew his own limitations and never tried to go beyond what he was capable of and that's why his career scoring numbers are what they are.

The Warriors were already title contenders by year 2 with Draymond, so obviously the usage isn't the same. His USG will probably dip next year. Many mouths to feed.

[Clay Davis]

What's funny is that if Scottie regressed twice as much defensively but gave even 2-4 more ppg last year compared to this year, people would be saying his rizz has improved markedly.

I don't think he has gotten worse. Quite the opposite actually. It's clear that his focus coming into this year and throughout the year has been his defense.

[PushDaRock]

The jump in advanced stats from year 2 to 3 is pretty massive and noteworthy.

He’s being developed in the mold of Draymond. He’s not going to be the first option, but the offense will run through him and he will be able anchor the defense. Depends on how you view prime Draymond, but to me he was a superstar number 2. Still need to find Scottie’s Curry. We have a ton of talent that will eventually be consolidated to get that guy when they become available.

He has not been developed like Draymond at all. Go look at their USG rates, Scottie is at 26.8% this season and his USG has gone up every year.

Draymond is at 15.5% for his career and never broke 19% for any season in his career. He knew his own limitations and never tried to go beyond what he was capable of and that's why his career scoring numbers are what they are.

The Warriors were already title contenders by year 2 with Draymond, so obviously the usage isn't the same. His USG will probably dip next year. Many mouths to feed.

lol so how are they being developed the same? They never even tried to develop Draymond as a scorer while we are force feeding touches to Scottie in year 4 to see if he can become one.

[Indeed]

He has not been developed like Draymond at all. Go look at their USG rates, Scottie is at 26.8% this season and his USG has gone up every year.

Draymond is at 15.5% for his career and never broke 19% for any season in his career. He knew his own limitations and never tried to go beyond what he was capable of and that's why his career scoring numbers are what they are.

The Warriors were already title contenders by year 2 with Draymond, so obviously the usage isn't the same. His USG will probably dip next year. Many mouths to feed.

lol so how are they being developed the same? They never even tried to develop Draymond as a scorer while we are force feeding touches to Scottie in year 4 to see if he can become one.

Draymond Green isn't a near-max player, and he is half of the salary of that.

[raincityraptors]

Just wanted to say that I appreciate the healthy look at Barnes and his limitations.

We were all a little guilty of placing him on a pedestal before he proved he deserved to be there.

If we can stop attacking players like RJ, BI or anyone else who is more likely to become our number 1 option on offense that would be great too.

The Scottie bias with this franchise is insane and it starts with the Front Office so I don't blame a single fan doing right by their franchise and backing "The Man."

There is no one preventing Barnes from being the greatest player he can be.

He's playing every game and getting every shot he wants.

I hope he starts screening, rolling to the basket and spend more time in the Dunker's spot on offense.

He's really starting to figure it out defensively but he isn't a point guard and we should stop pretending he is.

The way RJ plays once he gets back in the lineup (and gets featured) is what I would expect from Barnes on a pretty regular basis if he is supposed to grow into our number 1 player. I only see that happens if he can go to the same move or same spots over and over again. His offense is looking too simplistic for a number 1 option in season 4.

RJ would get flamed relentlessly if he had games like Barnes has had recently (especially that Bulls game).