OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[GONYK]

I think if you only have Hunter playing one side of the ball Carter probably holds more value because of how important LOS play is in the NFL.

If you think Hunter can player well on both ends and impact both WR/CB you certainly can make the case he's can be an more impactful player than Abdul Carter.

Hunter isn't a slot corner though that is why I don't see him just as a nickle on defense. If you push him to the boundary on passing downs at corner who does he take off the field? Adebo and Banks would be on the outside and Phillips is the nickle on the inside so he usually comes in when teams go 3 wide.

It far easier to build out offensive packages for a player rather than defensive packages because you can control substitutions and design plays for. I personally don't see a guy that only has played a handful of snaps just come in late in the game for defense. Maybe thats me.

I think Deion has suggested it as well. You play defense but then you can design certain packages and plays to get him on the field on offense.

The good thing is he has elite ball skills which play well both at WR and CB for ball tracking.

I think ball skills impact the game more than anything. The LOS is undoubtedly important, but do the Eagles have any top 5 picks on either of their lines?

If we aren't trading KT, I'm starting to think with the investments we made at the edge in the last 2 offseasons, we may be better served using our premium pick somewhere else.

I would make the case Jalen Carter and Nolan smith were all projected top 5 top 10 picks throughout the year. Injury to Nola Smith dropped him down to end of 1st and the off field stuff moved Jalen Carter to 9th overall when most people thought he was by far the #1 type pick before all the noise leading up to the draft.

Fair, but those guys didn't do much for their defense until the secondary was augmented.

I'd also make the case that we've invested the equivalent of top picks on the line already with KT, Burns, and signing Gholston.

[mpharris36]

I think ball skills impact the game more than anything. The LOS is undoubtedly important, but do the Eagles have any top 5 picks on either of their lines?

If we aren't trading KT, I'm starting to think with the investments we made at the edge in the last 2 offseasons, we may be better served using our premium pick somewhere else.

I would make the case Jalen Carter and Nolan smith were all projected top 5 top 10 picks throughout the year. Injury to Nola Smith dropped him down to end of 1st and the off field stuff moved Jalen Carter to 9th overall when most people thought he was by far the #1 type pick before all the noise leading up to the draft.

Fair, but those guys didn't do much for their defense until the secondary was augmented.

I'd also make the case that we've invested the equivalent of top picks on the line already with KT, Burns, and signing Gholston.

All fair points...I really don't think much of KT.

I actually buy more Banks developing into a good CB than KT being a difference maker on the edge. He just doesn't do anything for me.

[GONYK]

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That is kind of insane

[MrDollarBills]

We met with the center from Texas today. Looks like JMS is gonna get pushed in camp.

We really need to add another G and LT too

[MrDollarBills]

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That is kind of insane

We have to take him. It would be malpractice if he's there at 3 and we don't

[MrDollarBills]

I would make the case Jalen Carter and Nolan smith were all projected top 5 top 10 picks throughout the year. Injury to Nola Smith dropped him down to end of 1st and the off field stuff moved Jalen Carter to 9th overall when most people thought he was by far the #1 type pick before all the noise leading up to the draft.

Fair, but those guys didn't do much for their defense until the secondary was augmented.

I'd also make the case that we've invested the equivalent of top picks on the line already with KT, Burns, and signing Gholston.

All fair points...I really don't think much of KT.

I actually buy more Banks developing into a good CB than KT being a difference maker on the edge. He just doesn't do anything for me.

KT hasn't improved at all in any facet of the game. I dunno what he does during the offseasons.

[GONYK]

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Also noteworthy

[mpharris36]

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2025-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-4-0

updated top 50 from Daniel Jeremiah...obviously this doesn't weigh positional value

[Strick]

At this point I’m fully in the draft Hunter and trade back up for Sanders and/or Milroe camp. Or take Milroe at the top of round 2.

Get a rare talent in Hunter and someone like Milroe can sit a year or two and we can truly see if Daboll is a QB guru or not (if him and Schoen last beyond this year)

[Polk377]

At this point I’m fully in the draft Hunter and trade back up for Sanders and/or Milroe camp. Or take Milroe at the top of round 2.

Get a rare talent in Hunter and someone like Milroe can sit a year or two and we can truly see if Daboll is a QB guru or not (if him and Schoen last beyond this year)

This should be the plan. Don't pass on a true talent.

[Ghetto Gospel]

should have been us...? basically got him for free

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[mpharris36]

should have been us...? basically got him for free

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I would have taken a flyer as well.

What this tells me is they are drafting a QB...now whether that is #3 or more of a developmental route in the later rounds has yet to be seen.

But they already have 2 QB's for sure on the roster...you aren't going to carry 4. Tommy Devito is just a place holder for some drafted QB.

[GONYK]

The legend of Joe Milton has gotten a little out of hand.

I don't think he's proven to be better than the mid-round options at QB in this draft.

[mpharris36]

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Sounds like the Giants were indeed interested. Said Pats had better offers but they sent him somewhere he wanted to go. Maybe Milton sees a better pathway with Dak's injury history to play in DAL. And that with us already having two vet QB's his ability to play this year as QB3 would have been a long shot.

[TerrenceClarke]

I know there was debate in here about what side should TH be on. But I watched Todd Mcshay make some of the best points that TH won’t be special on Defense in the NFL as NFL rules don’t allow CBs to defend the way they used to. He would be good at CB but on offense he has the chance to be special in the NFL.

He thinks him as full time WR is where he can really show his athletic ability at its highest in the NFL and stand out.

[mpharris36]

I know there was debate in here about what side should TH be on. But I watched Todd Mcshay make some of the best points that TH won’t be special on Defense in the NFL as NFL rules don’t allow CBs to defend the way they used to. He would be good at CB but on offense he has the chance to be special in the NFL.

He thinks him as full time WR is where he can really show his athletic ability at its highest in the NFL and stand out.

I think all that makes sense. And respect Mcshay as one of the better scouting minds.

I just think positional value and the demands on the position it would make sense to see if he can be an elite CB first since it's much harder to find an elite CB more than and elite WR which I feel a few enter the NFL every draft.

Now his elite ball skills and tracking certainly transition 100% to WR. And not every play at CB will require that whether it's stopping the run or not being thrown at

But man how many **** down corners with ball skills like him are in the NFL?

Also if you want him playing both ways think it's easier to do defense mostly and then run packages on offense for him.

But if your telling me he is likely to thrive at one position it would be WR. But I think the risk is worth trying to see how far he can go at CB. Since there are limited elite ones.

That's just me though.

[TerrenceClarke]

I know there was debate in here about what side should TH be on. But I watched Todd Mcshay make some of the best points that TH won’t be special on Defense in the NFL as NFL rules don’t allow CBs to defend the way they used to. He would be good at CB but on offense he has the chance to be special in the NFL.

He thinks him as full time WR is where he can really show his athletic ability at its highest in the NFL and stand out.

I think all that makes sense. And respect Mcshay as one of the better scouting minds.

I just think positional value and the demands on the position it would make sense to see if he can be an elite CB first since it's much harder to find an elite CB more than and elite WR which I feel a few enter the NFL every draft.

Now his elite ball skills and tracking certainly transition 100% to WR. And not every play at CB will require that whether it's stopping the run or not being thrown at

But man how many **** down corners with ball skills like him are in the NFL?

Also if you want him playing both ways think it's easier to do defense mostly and then run packages on offense for him.

But if your telling me he is likely to thrive at one position it would be WR. But I think the risk is worth trying to see how far he can go at CB. Since there are limited elite ones.

That's just me though.

That was kind of what his point was. There really are not true shutdown corners anymore. Offenses are to advance for it these days.

He said you can arguably say Surtain, but you hard pressed after that.

[mpharris36]

I know there was debate in here about what side should TH be on. But I watched Todd Mcshay make some of the best points that TH won’t be special on Defense in the NFL as NFL rules don’t allow CBs to defend the way they used to. He would be good at CB but on offense he has the chance to be special in the NFL.

He thinks him as full time WR is where he can really show his athletic ability at its highest in the NFL and stand out.

I think all that makes sense. And respect Mcshay as one of the better scouting minds.

I just think positional value and the demands on the position it would make sense to see if he can be an elite CB first since it's much harder to find an elite CB more than and elite WR which I feel a few enter the NFL every draft.

Now his elite ball skills and tracking certainly transition 100% to WR. And not every play at CB will require that whether it's stopping the run or not being thrown at

But man how many **** down corners with ball skills like him are in the NFL?

Also if you want him playing both ways think it's easier to do defense mostly and then run packages on offense for him.

But if your telling me he is likely to thrive at one position it would be WR. But I think the risk is worth trying to see how far he can go at CB. Since there are limited elite ones.

That's just me though.

That was kind of what his point was. There really are not true shutdown corners anymore. Offenses are to advance for it these days.

He said you can arguably say Surtain, but you hard pressed after that.

I hear ya but if Hunter is as blue chip as people say he is doesn't he have a chance to be Surtain or a Revis or a Deion?

Otherwise we shouldn't be passing up a QB in Mcshay scenario for a non blue chip prospect.

[TerrenceClarke]

I think all that makes sense. And respect Mcshay as one of the better scouting minds.

I just think positional value and the demands on the position it would make sense to see if he can be an elite CB first since it's much harder to find an elite CB more than and elite WR which I feel a few enter the NFL every draft.

Now his elite ball skills and tracking certainly transition 100% to WR. And not every play at CB will require that whether it's stopping the run or not being thrown at

But man how many **** down corners with ball skills like him are in the NFL?

Also if you want him playing both ways think it's easier to do defense mostly and then run packages on offense for him.

But if your telling me he is likely to thrive at one position it would be WR. But I think the risk is worth trying to see how far he can go at CB. Since there are limited elite ones.

That's just me though.

That was kind of what his point was. There really are not true shutdown corners anymore. Offenses are to advance for it these days.

He said you can arguably say Surtain, but you hard pressed after that.

I hear ya but if Hunter is as blue chip as people say he is doesn't he have a chance to be Surtain or a Revis or a Deion?

Otherwise we shouldn't be passing up a QB in Mcshay scenario for a non blue chip prospect.

The reality is that he blue chip mostly cause he play both sides. Not sure if i ever viewed him as a once in a generation corner back talent. I don’t think I ever heard anyone say he is THAT good of a DB.

If he didn’t play both sides and was strictly a DB do you think he has that type of level?

Not sure if he is seen like that on that side of ball. Have we really seen Travis lock schit down like that in college like no one has in a long time ? I Don’t think I have. I think he can be good for sure but is he an all time great CB level. I cant call it.

[GONYK]

That was kind of what his point was. There really are not true shutdown corners anymore. Offenses are to advance for it these days.

He said you can arguably say Surtain, but you hard pressed after that.

I hear ya but if Hunter is as blue chip as people say he is doesn't he have a chance to be Surtain or a Revis or a Deion?

Otherwise we shouldn't be passing up a QB in Mcshay scenario for a non blue chip prospect.

The reality is that he blue chip mostly cause he play both sides. Not sure if i ever viewed him as a once in a generation corner back talent. I don’t think I ever heard anyone say he is THAT good of a DB.

If he didn’t play both sides and was strictly a DB do you think he has that type of level?

Not sure if he is seen like that on that side of ball. Have we really seen Travis lock schit down like that in college like no one has in a long time ? I Don’t think I have. I think he can be good for sure but is he an all time great CB level. I cant call it.

I've seen at least 4 prominent draft sites (Walter Football, 33rd Team, The Draft Network, Dane Brugler) categorize Hunter as a potential generational day 1 pro bowler as a CB, with comparisons to Woodson, Champ Bailey and prime Darius Slay. The biggest concern is his frame.


YMMV on how much stock you put into those sources, but he's being evaluated in that light by a lot of places.

He's also getting that type of buzz as a receiver, which he's probably better at.