Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching

shrink · Post #41 » by **shrink** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 3:20 pm

Looks like after tonight, there could be a three-way tie at 44-32 for #6-8.

Just six games left!

cmoss84 · Post #42 » by **cmoss84** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 3:32 pm

shrink wrote:#4 LAL (46-29). 0.0 GB.

#5 GSW (44-31). 2.0 GB
#6 MEM (44-32). 2.5 GB
#7 MIN (44-32). 2.5 GB
#8 LAC (43-32). 3.0 GB

MIN: @BRK, @PHI, @MIL, @MEM, vsBRK (btb), vsUTA

LAL: vsGSW, vsNOP (btb), @OKC, @OKC, @DAL (btb), vsHOU, @POR
MEM: @MIA, @DET, @CHA, vsMIN, @DEN (btb), vsDAL
GSW: @LAL, vsDEN (btb), vsHOU, @PHX, vsSAS (btb), @POR, vsLAC
LAC: vsNOP, vsDAL, vsDAL (btb), vsSAS, vsHOU (btb), @SAC, @GSW

Games Tonight, April 2

9:30 PM: NOP (21-54) LAC (43-32). LAC favored by 17.5

LAL go 4-3
MN 5-1
GSW 4-3
LAC 4-3

We play Lakers in epic 7 game round.

Ethomasp31 · Post #43 » by **Ethomasp31** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 3:44 pm

shrink wrote:#4 LAL (46-29). 0.0 GB.

#5 GSW (44-31). 2.0 GB
#6 MEM (44-32). 2.5 GB
#7 MIN (44-32). 2.5 GB
#8 LAC (43-32). 3.0 GB

MIN: @BRK, @PHI, @MIL, @MEM, vsBRK (btb), vsUTA

LAL: vsGSW, vsNOP (btb), @OKC, @OKC, @DAL (btb), vsHOU, @POR
MEM: @MIA, @DET, @CHA, vsMIN, @DEN (btb), vsDAL
GSW: @LAL, vsDEN (btb), vsHOU, @PHX, vsSAS (btb), @POR, vsLAC
LAC: vsNOP, vsDAL, vsDAL (btb), vsSAS, vsHOU (btb), @SAC, @GSW

Games Tonight, April 2

9:30 PM: NOP (21-54) LAC (43-32). LAC favored by 17.5

Denver has 29 losses now too...along with the Lakers.

DEN: vsSAS, @ GSW, vsIND, @SAC, vsMEM, @HOU

Hopefully OKC plays their guys against the Lakers. Lakers have all the tie -breakers with everyone multiple ways...leading their division, head to head and conference record.

All these teams that haven't been eliminated will be playing for seeding. Sure we could we lose to the 76ers or Nets or Jazz...but those three teams have been eliminated and playing for draft position. Even the Kings and Mavs are still playing to get into the play-in and to get a home game in the play-in. The Wolves don't want to be the 7 or 8 seed because they would have to win that first play-in game to avoid OKC even if they lost the first and won the second.

Ethomasp31 · Post #44 » by **Ethomasp31** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:00 pm

cmoss84 wrote:
shrink wrote:#4 LAL (46-29). 0.0 GB.

#5 GSW (44-31). 2.0 GB
#6 MEM (44-32). 2.5 GB
#7 MIN (44-32). 2.5 GB
#8 LAC (43-32). 3.0 GB

MIN: @BRK, @PHI, @MIL, @MEM, vsBRK (btb), vsUTA

LAL: vsGSW, vsNOP (btb), @OKC, @OKC, @DAL (btb), vsHOU, @POR
MEM: @MIA, @DET, @CHA, vsMIN, @DEN (btb), vsDAL
GSW: @LAL, vsDEN (btb), vsHOU, @PHX, vsSAS (btb), @POR, vsLAC
LAC: vsNOP, vsDAL, vsDAL (btb), vsSAS, vsHOU (btb), @SAC, @GSW

Games Tonight, April 2

9:30 PM: NOP (21-54) LAC (43-32). LAC favored by 17.5

LAL go 4-3
MN 5-1
GSW 4-3
LAC 4-3

We play Lakers in epic 7 game round.

If we go 5-1 I think we will most likely be the 5 seed. I think that might get us Denver instead of the Lakers.

In a perfect world:

Wolves 6-0 (2 games against teams fighting for seeding or to get into playoffs)
Denver 3-3 (5 games against teams fighting for seeding or to get into playoffs)
Lakers 3-4 (5 games against teams fighting for seeding or to get into playoffs)
GSW: 2 losses somewhere (5 games against teams fighting for seeding or to get into playoffs)

We would jump up to the 3 seed if that happened. I KNOW THAT IS NOT VERY LIKELY...I just said in a perfect world. i honestly think our most likely seed is 5...and I'd rather be 6.

cmoss84 · Post #45 » by **cmoss84** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:09 pm

Isn't Denver likely to be 3?

Ethomasp31 · Post #46 » by **Ethomasp31** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:17 pm

cmoss84 wrote:Isn't Denver likely to be 3?

They are tied with the Lakers (in the loss column) and don't have the tie-breakers over them.

shrink · Post #47 » by **shrink** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 7:20 pm

Ethomasp31 wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:Isn't Denver likely to be 3?

They are tied with the Lakers (in the loss column) and don't have the tie-breakers over them.

Great points. There are only six games left, several opponents are tanking, but there is still possibilities.

I debated removing the Lakers after they won their last game to go up two. But they do play OKC twice. I just wonder if the Thunder will rest some players because wins are meaningless to them now.

I’ll include the Nuggets tomorrow, certainly if they are so beaten up by us that they lose tonight against the Jazz!

Post #48 » by **Klomp** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 7:31 pm

Ethomasp31 wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:Isn't Denver likely to be 3?

They are tied with the Lakers (in the loss column) and don't have the tie-breakers over them.

Again to remind people. If the Pacific Division winner is in a tie, they automatically win the tiebreaker by virtue of being a division champion.

Ethomasp31 · Post #49 » by **Ethomasp31** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 7:55 pm

Klomp wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:Isn't Denver likely to be 3?

They are tied with the Lakers (in the loss column) and don't have the tie-breakers over them.

Again to remind people. If the Pacific Division winner is in a tie, they automatically win the tiebreaker by virtue of being a division champion.

Yes that's true if it's a TIE.

Last year the top 3 seeds in the West were all from the same division...OKC, the Nuggets and Wolves.

That's why i said the Lakers would (most likely) have to go 3-4 for the Wolves to be seeded ahead of them if we won out. I also pointed out the Lakers have all the tie-breakers over all the other teams for three reasons...currently they are winning the Pacific Division, they have the head to head tie-breakers over all the teams, and they will have the best conference record. The Lakers will win any tie-breaker that they are involved in unless things change drastically...like if GSW ends up winning the division (they would have to win out and the Lakers would have to lose 3 games) and the Lakers, Wolves and Nuggets are all tied for 4-6.

What i mean by that is if:

Warriors win out ~ 51-31
Wolves win out ~ 50-32
Nuggets go 3-3 ~ 50-32
Lakers go 4-3 ~ 50-32

We would win the tie-breaker for the 4th seed based on the h2h records between the three teams.

Long shots? YES definitely, but mathematically possible.

Ethomasp31 · Post #50 » by **Ethomasp31** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 8:24 pm

Ethomasp31 wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:
They are tied with the Lakers (in the loss column) and don't have the tie-breakers over them.

Again to remind people. If the Pacific Division winner is in a tie, they automatically win the tiebreaker by virtue of being a division champion.

Yes that's true if it's a TIE.

Last year the top 3 seeds in the West were all from the same division...OKC, the Nuggets and Wolves.

That's why i said the Lakers would (most likely) have to go 3-4 for the Wolves to be seeded ahead of them if we won out. I also pointed out the Lakers have all the tie-breakers over all the other teams for three reasons...currently they are winning the Pacific Division, they have the head to head tie-breakers over all the teams, and they will have the best conference record. The Lakers will win any tie-breaker that they are involved in unless things change drastically...like if GSW ends up winning the division (they would have to win out and the Lakers would have to lose 3 games) and the Lakers, Wolves and Nuggets are all tied for 4-6.

What i mean by that is if:

Warriors win out ~ 51-31
Wolves win out ~ 50-32
Nuggets go 3-3 ~ 50-32
Lakers go 4-3 ~ 50-32

We would win the tie-breaker for the 4th seed based on the h2h records between the three teams.

Long shots? YES definitely, but mathematically possible.

If the Wolves lose a game or two they will probably be seeded 5 or 6...or maybe in the play-in game if they lose 2 or more games. Everyday things will become more and more clear over the next 10-12 days. I like the Wolves chances to stay out of the play-in game. Four of our games are against teams with nothing to play for....one game will be against the Bucks without Lillard most likely...and the other is at Memphis. Who knows what will happen with Ja after the hand gestures from last night.

TimberKat · Post #51 » by **TimberKat** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 8:54 pm

Ethomasp31 wrote:What i mean by that is if:

Warriors win out ~ 51-31
Wolves win out ~ 50-32
Nuggets go 3-3 ~ 50-32
Lakers go 4-3 ~ 50-32

We would win the tie-breaker for the 4th seed based on the h2h records between the three teams.

Long shots? YES definitely, but mathematically possible.

Better yet, GSW has a tough schedule and could end up 49-33. Wolves gets the 3rd seed. Just like last year.
:rocking:

Ethomasp31 · Post #52 » by **Ethomasp31** » Wed Apr 2, 2025 9:30 pm

TimberKat wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:What i mean by that is if:

Warriors win out ~ 51-31
Wolves win out ~ 50-32
Nuggets go 3-3 ~ 50-32
Lakers go 4-3 ~ 50-32

We would win the tie-breaker for the 4th seed based on the h2h records between the three teams.

Long shots? YES definitely, but mathematically possible.

Better yet, GSW has a tough schedule and could end up 49-33. Wolves gets the 3rd seed. Just like last year.

We would have to finish ahead of the Lakers for that to happen.

Two-teams tied
* head to head record
* Division winner even if they aren't in the same division
* Division record if in same division
* Conference record

Three or more teams tied
* division winner (even if they aren't in the same division)
* head to head record amongst teams tied (winning percentage)
* if all teams are in the same division ~ division record
* conference record

shrink · Post #53 » by **shrink** » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:00 am

shrink wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:Isn't Denver likely to be 3?

They are tied with the Lakers (in the loss column) and don't have the tie-breakers over them.

Great points. There are only six games left, several opponents are tanking, but there is still possibilities.

I debated removing the Lakers after they won their last game to go up two. But they do play OKC twice. I just wonder if the Thunder will rest some players because wins are meaningless to them now.

I’ll include the Nuggets tomorrow, certainly if they are so beaten up by us that they lose tonight against the Jazz!

Read on Twitter

All their starters out, and they have no bench!

Ethomasp31 · Post #54 » by **Ethomasp31** » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:15 am

shrink wrote:
shrink wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:
They are tied with the Lakers (in the loss column) and don't have the tie-breakers over them.

Great points. There are only six games left, several opponents are tanking, but there is still possibilities.

I debated removing the Lakers after they won their last game to go up two. But they do play OKC twice. I just wonder if the Thunder will rest some players because wins are meaningless to them now.

I’ll include the Nuggets tomorrow, certainly if they are so beaten up by us that they lose tonight against the Jazz!

Read on Twitter

All their starters out, and they have no bench!

But they are playing for something and the Spurs aren't.

shrink · Post #55 » by **shrink** » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:32 am

Ethomasp31 wrote:But they are playing for something and the Spurs aren't.

That’s true, but they are rolling in with an active player payroll of $32 mil, and that’s with Zeke Nnaji making nearly $9 mil of it. Tough to be competitive, but they are still a 2.5 point favorite.

I think the Spurs win this one. They have players out too, but they are currently the #12 spot in the lottery, so moving to #11 or #13 isn’t going to really affect them to flat out tank this one. They still have NBA players on their roster too that want to win, and are 4-6 in their last 10, but have dropped 5 straight. They did scratch Vassell and Sochan for this one, and Wemby and Fox are already out, so Nuggets ticket-buyers get to watch a lot of bench players tonight.

Ethomasp31 · Post #56 » by **Ethomasp31** » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:43 am

shrink wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:But they are playing for something and the Spurs aren't.

That’s true, but they are rolling in with an active player payroll of $32 mil, and that’s with Zeke Nnaji making nearly $9 mil of it. Tough to be competitive, but they are still a 2.5 point favorite.

I think the Spurs win this one. They have players out too, but they are currently the #12 spot in the lottery, so moving to #11 or #13 isn’t going to really affect them to flat out tank this one. They still have NBA players on their roster too that want to win, and are 4-6 in their last 10, but have dropped 5 straight. They did scratch Vassell and Sochan for this one, and Wemby and Fox are already out, so Nuggets ticket-buyers get to watch a lot of bench players tonight.

I hope you are right....that brings another team into the 5-8 mess. The Lakers are one injury away from getting thrown into it too....or a few losses.

Ethomasp31 · Post #57 » by **Ethomasp31** » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:49 am

Ethomasp31 wrote:
shrink wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:But they are playing for something and the Spurs aren't.

That’s true, but they are rolling in with an active player payroll of $32 mil, and that’s with Zeke Nnaji making nearly $9 mil of it. Tough to be competitive, but they are still a 2.5 point favorite.

I think the Spurs win this one. They have players out too, but they are currently the #12 spot in the lottery, so moving to #11 or #13 isn’t going to really affect them to flat out tank this one. They still have NBA players on their roster too that want to win, and are 4-6 in their last 10, but have dropped 5 straight. They did scratch Vassell and Sochan for this one, and Wemby and Fox are already out, so Nuggets ticket-buyers get to watch a lot of bench players tonight.

I hope you are right....that brings another team into the 5-8 mess. The Lakers are one injury away from getting thrown into it too....or a few losses.

Lively back for Dallas tonight....They still have two games with the Clippers, one with the Lakers and one with Memphis left.

Ethomasp31 · Post #58 » by **Ethomasp31** » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:52 am

Ethomasp31 wrote:
shrink wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:But they are playing for something and the Spurs aren't.

That’s true, but they are rolling in with an active player payroll of $32 mil, and that’s with Zeke Nnaji making nearly $9 mil of it. Tough to be competitive, but they are still a 2.5 point favorite.

I think the Spurs win this one. They have players out too, but they are currently the #12 spot in the lottery, so moving to #11 or #13 isn’t going to really affect them to flat out tank this one. They still have NBA players on their roster too that want to win, and are 4-6 in their last 10, but have dropped 5 straight. They did scratch Vassell and Sochan for this one, and Wemby and Fox are already out, so Nuggets ticket-buyers get to watch a lot of bench players tonight.

I hope you are right....that brings another team into the 5-8 mess. The Lakers are one injury away from getting thrown into it too....or a few losses.

My nightmare would be losing the 7/8 play-in game and having to play Dallas to make the 8 seed to get the honor to play OKC in the first round. Someone out of Memphis, GSW, the Clippers and the Wolves would be in that position.

winforlose · Post #59 » by **winforlose** » Thu Apr 3, 2025 1:01 am

The other race to watch is for the worst record. Washington has a double digit lead over the Kings with a little over 7 minutes to play. If the Jazz end with the worst record we end up with pick 31.

Ethomasp31 · Post #60 » by **Ethomasp31** » Thu Apr 3, 2025 1:10 am

winforlose wrote:The other race to watch is for the worst record. Washington has a double digit lead over the Kings with a little over 7 minutes to play. If the Jazz end with the worst record we end up with pick 31.

Jeez and we lost to both of those teams. Brutal!! If we had won just those two games...we would be in good shape for the 3 seed...

The back to back we lost to Portland....all the close games we have lost

The Jazz have won 1 games since the beginning of March.