Alex Sarr

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Was looking at some advanced statistics and found some interesting kernels:

-Of the 205 players they have TS% numbers for on Basketball Reference, Sarr is dead last. George is 6th worst, Carrington 12th worst, and Bilal 14th worst.

-The team's young core including Sarr, George, Bilal, and Carrington are all in the bottom 30 of the 563 players they have a reading for (no minutes minimum) in VORP where Carrington has the worst (-1.7), George the 10th worst (-1.0), Bilal the 12th worst (-0.9), and Sarr the 29th worst (-0.5).

-Carrington has the 3rd worst PER, George the 5th worst, and Bilal the 21st worst.

-All are bottom 20 and have negative Offensive WS with Sarr and George in top 10 worst.

-All are bottom 20 in OBPM with Carrington and George both in the bottom 5.

Do you have some conclusion you’d like to draw from this?

I don't know, maybe that a center/power forward is shooting the worst, gosh darn percentage in the league from an efficiency standpoint because he wants to play like Kevin Durant and doesn't even make up for it with even passable defense. So there's that to start with.

I was just looking at some stats this morning, found it interesting that these guys were reading terribly so far with these metrics.

Is there the context that they are tanking and rebuilding? Sure, but you can't just completely ignore it.

[DCZards]

Was looking at some advanced statistics and found some interesting kernels:

-Of the 205 players they have TS% numbers for on Basketball Reference, Sarr is dead last. George is 6th worst, Carrington 12th worst, and Bilal 14th worst.

-The team's young core including Sarr, George, Bilal, and Carrington are all in the bottom 30 of the 563 players they have a reading for (no minutes minimum) in VORP where Carrington has the worst (-1.7), George the 10th worst (-1.0), Bilal the 12th worst (-0.9), and Sarr the 29th worst (-0.5).

-Carrington has the 3rd worst PER, George the 5th worst, and Bilal the 21st worst.

-All are bottom 20 and have negative Offensive WS with Sarr and George in top 10 worst.

-All are bottom 20 in OBPM with Carrington and George both in the bottom 5.

Do you have some conclusion you’d like to draw from this?

There’s a direct correlation between these numbers and the number of minutes these youngsters are playing against some of the best basketball players in the world.

The Zards have basically started 3 rookies and a second yr player most of the season and the team’s record and their individual numbers reflect that.

The Zards have set a record for minutes played by rookies…but l love it because it’s great for both the tank and their development.

[The Consiglieri]

Much of this is situation dependent. With the exception of Poole, this team has no competent offensive players who can bear the scoring load and allow our rookies to have a more complementary role where they only shoot when open. One efficient first option scorer can make everyone else a lot more efficient offensively as well.

Detroit made a massive turnaround this year because Cade made the leap to a true first option scorer. Suddenly, all their role players look good and they're a winning team.

Now translate this point over to the Deni trade thread, & it becomes clear that if Deni were on the team we'd have no chance at a top pick this year & no chance at a top pick next year either.

You can't have it both ways. If Deni is worth 10+ wins, that makes him a superstar and you keep him, or at least hold out for a much better trade.

I disagree that he would be worth that many wins to us. Deni is a fantastic third option who attacks an off balance defense, but he's not really that great against a set defense keying on him. He wouldn't have won us a ton more games as the #1 option here

As we talked about earlier, I don't think there's any chance Deni would have won us 8-10-12-15 more games no matter how well he prayed, we simply got curb stomped in way too many of our losses to make that meaningfully possible in any real sense to me. Technically its possible, but realistically, I don't see how. When the Wizards are losing basically 2/3's of their games by double digits, it beggars belief that the mere presence of Deni would turn them into a 28-47 or 35-40 team. It's just not remotely feasible to me, even as good as he's been playing. 20-55 to maybe 23-52 at this point, maybe, but anything more than 21-23 or 24 wins is just highly, highly unlikely.

[Despy]

Need more threads about the greatest wizard ever deni adjvia

[prime1time]

This is the Alex Sarr thread.

[AFM]

Yes but part of being a Deni Avidja fan is to constantly slight our young players.

Every 3 pointer Sarr misses is a 3 pointer Deni could have made. Think about that.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Was looking at some advanced statistics and found some interesting kernels:

-Of the 205 players they have TS% numbers for on Basketball Reference, Sarr is dead last. George is 6th worst, Carrington 12th worst, and Bilal 14th worst.

-The team's young core including Sarr, George, Bilal, and Carrington are all in the bottom 30 of the 563 players they have a reading for (no minutes minimum) in VORP where Carrington has the worst (-1.7), George the 10th worst (-1.0), Bilal the 12th worst (-0.9), and Sarr the 29th worst (-0.5).

-Carrington has the 3rd worst PER, George the 5th worst, and Bilal the 21st worst.

-All are bottom 20 and have negative Offensive WS with Sarr and George in top 10 worst.

-All are bottom 20 in OBPM with Carrington and George both in the bottom 5.

Do you have some conclusion you’d like to draw from this?

I don't know, maybe that a center/power forward is shooting the worst, gosh darn percentage in the league from an efficiency standpoint because he wants to play like Kevin Durant and doesn't even make up for it with even passable defense. So there's that to start with.

I was just looking at some stats this morning, found it interesting that these guys were reading terribly so far with these metrics.

Is there the context that they are tanking and rebuilding? Sure, but you can't just completely ignore it.

people fail to see the forest from the trees. All of these draft picks are young and inexperienced and playing alongside other young and inexperienced players. And the vets that were in house like Poole and Kuz are knuckleheads that are horrible leaders. This season isn't about anything other than getting these kids used to the speed of the game. Put them in uncomfortable position and hope to see gradual, incremental improvement. These four kids will be getting their first offseason devoted strictly to improving their games with access to professional coaches and trainers. No draft to worry about. No marketing commitments. No worrying about finding a place for them and their families to live. This is where you'll see major leaps provided they're driven, motivated and have good work ethics. Most of the great teams in history were built through the draft and those teams allowed young players to make mistakes and develop together. Suffice it to say, advanced stats for 19-20 year olds are the last thing any fan should be concerned with.

[TGW]

Need more threads about the greatest wizard ever deni adjvia

Looks like Deni lives in your head rent free.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

So you're telling me there's a chance! (of landing 1.01 in '26).

Was looking at some advanced statistics and found some interesting kernels:

-Of the 205 players they have TS% numbers for on Basketball Reference, Sarr is dead last. George is 6th worst, Carrington 12th worst, and Bilal 14th worst.

-The team's young core including Sarr, George, Bilal, and Carrington are all in the bottom 30 of the 563 players they have a reading for (no minutes minimum) in VORP where Carrington has the worst (-1.7), George the 10th worst (-1.0), Bilal the 12th worst (-0.9), and Sarr the 29th worst (-0.5).

-Carrington has the 3rd worst PER, George the 5th worst, and Bilal the 21st worst.

-All are bottom 20 and have negative Offensive WS with Sarr and George in top 10 worst.

-All are bottom 20 in OBPM with Carrington and George both in the bottom 5.

They may be no good, but of importance is they're young and have great length for their positions.

Length and athleticism are all the Wizards seek.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This is the Alex Sarr thread.

Who's he?

[prime1time]

Was looking at some advanced statistics and found some interesting kernels:

-Of the 205 players they have TS% numbers for on Basketball Reference, Sarr is dead last. George is 6th worst, Carrington 12th worst, and Bilal 14th worst.

-The team's young core including Sarr, George, Bilal, and Carrington are all in the bottom 30 of the 563 players they have a reading for (no minutes minimum) in VORP where Carrington has the worst (-1.7), George the 10th worst (-1.0), Bilal the 12th worst (-0.9), and Sarr the 29th worst (-0.5).

-Carrington has the 3rd worst PER, George the 5th worst, and Bilal the 21st worst.

-All are bottom 20 and have negative Offensive WS with Sarr and George in top 10 worst.

-All are bottom 20 in OBPM with Carrington and George both in the bottom 5.

Do you have some conclusion you’d like to draw from this?

I don't know, maybe that a center/power forward is shooting the worst, gosh darn percentage in the league from an efficiency standpoint because he wants to play like Kevin Durant and doesn't even make up for it with even passable defense. So there's that to start with.

I was just looking at some stats this morning, found it interesting that these guys were reading terribly so far with these metrics.

Is there the context that they are tanking and rebuilding? Sure, but you can't just completely ignore it.

So what you're saying is that rookies need to improve?

[prime1time]

The same posters complaining about the rookies will go into the draft thread and talk about Cooper Flagg.

[9 and 20]

Sarr coming up on 100 blocks and 100 threes as a teenager. That's got to be pretty rare.

[doclinkin]

people fail to see the forest from the trees. All of these draft picks are young and inexperienced and playing alongside other young and inexperienced players. And the vets that were in house like Poole and Kuz are knuckleheads that are horrible leaders. This season isn't about anything other than getting these kids used to the speed of the game. Put them in uncomfortable position and hope to see gradual, incremental improvement. These four kids will be getting their first offseason devoted strictly to improving their games with access to professional coaches and trainers. No draft to worry about. No marketing commitments. No worrying about finding a place for them and their families to live. This is where you'll see major leaps provided they're driven, motivated and have good work ethics. Most of the great teams in history were built through the draft and those teams allowed young players to make mistakes and develop together. Suffice it to say, advanced stats for 19-20 year olds are the last thing any fan should be concerned with.

Hear hear. This and all of this. I fully expect this crew to show up with marked improvement in their strength, shooting %'s and whatever single skill they each have been tasked to add over the summer.

That said Poole may be a knucklehead on defense, and make overconfident shots on offense, take and make bad shots, but in the gym and offseason all his coaches and former players say he is a workout demon. Both Curry and Klay give him props for how hard he works in the gym and over the summer. Too bad you can't practice defense in a gym by yourself, but the rookies have credited him with some part of their upbeat outlook and in-season improvement. I don't hate on Jordan Poole's effect on their games. I'm just happy we picked up Marcus Smart as a mentor for them on the other end of the floor. And maybe as a tutor for low-post guard play for Bub.

The hope is at some point the rookie guards play well enough that Poole is displaced to the bench or traded to a team that needs a 6th man scorer. Or we draft a true A-1 alpha guard like Dylan Harper and the minutes crunch means teams come asking what we want for Poole.

[J-Ves]

Sarr coming up on 100 blocks and 100 threes as a teenager. That's got to be pretty rare.

I do believe he will be the first teenager to ever do it

[dobrojim]

Sarr coming up on 100 blocks and 100 threes as a teenager. That's got to be pretty rare.

It's not a bad thing but the flaws are still evident

Lately he's been turning the ball over at the basket ALOT.
Gotta get stronger.

[DCZards]

Excerpt from a "The Athletic" article.

(It's behind a firewall but link to full story is below.)

NBA Rookie of the Year contender Alex Sarr showing Wizards there’s even more to like
By Josh Robbins
April 4, 2025

The long-term potential of first- and second-year bigs can be notoriously difficult to project, especially those who, like Sarr, need several more years to fill out physically and develop what NBA players sometimes refer to as “grown-man strength.” In the case of Sarr, who will turn 20 late this month, even his present can be difficult to evaluate because he has logged so many of his minutes alongside other inexperienced teammates such as rookies Bub Carrington and Kyshawn George and second-year fellow Frenchman Bilal Coulibaly.

What can be said with certainty, though, is this: Sarr already possesses abilities for a 7-footer that cannot be taught. He runs the floor with ease and, as someone who primarily played on the wing as a pre-teen, can handle the basketball deftly in the open court and passes well. Although his outside shot has been streaky, his motion is fluid and sound.

In a cautious estimate of the kind of player he might become, he could develop into a prototypical modern-day big: someone equally adept at spacing the floor on offense with his 3-point shooting and at protecting the rim on defense with his agility, size and shot-blocking.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6253571/2025/04/04/alex-sarr-washington-wizards-nba-rookie-of-year/?campaign=13123215&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=706492

[Zonkerbl]

There's two things you can do with this ts% exercise to make it more interesting. One is throw out the furst half of the season, because they've been playing better recently. Also control for age - compare the 19 year olds to the <sarcasm> dozens and dozens of other 19 year olds in the league getting starter's minutes right now.</sarcasm>

[PaulinVA]

Excerpt from a "The Athletic" article.

(It's behind a firewall but link to full story is below.)

NBA Rookie of the Year contender Alex Sarr showing Wizards there’s even more to like
By Josh Robbins
April 4, 2025

The long-term potential of first- and second-year bigs can be notoriously difficult to project, especially those who, like Sarr, need several more years to fill out physically and develop what NBA players sometimes refer to as “grown-man strength.” In the case of Sarr, who will turn 20 late this month, even his present can be difficult to evaluate because he has logged so many of his minutes alongside other inexperienced teammates such as rookies Bub Carrington and Kyshawn George and second-year fellow Frenchman Bilal Coulibaly.

What can be said with certainty, though, is this: Sarr already possesses abilities for a 7-footer that cannot be taught. He runs the floor with ease and, as someone who primarily played on the wing as a pre-teen, can handle the basketball deftly in the open court and passes well. Although his outside shot has been streaky, his motion is fluid and sound.

In a cautious estimate of the kind of player he might become, he could develop into a prototypical modern-day big: someone equally adept at spacing the floor on offense with his 3-point shooting and at protecting the rim on defense with his agility, size and shot-blocking.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6253571/2025/04/04/alex-sarr-washington-wizards-nba-rookie-of-year/?campaign=13123215&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=706492

On a recent afternoon, Sarr was asked where he sees himself in 10 years. He paused for a moment, then answered seriously.

“Ten years from now,” he said, “I see myself in Washington still playing for the Wizards and us being a very, very good team and competing in the playoffs every year.”

[Frichuela]

So, comparing Sarr's rookie year with Mobley's, their stats per 36 are very similar. The only difference is 3 pt shooting and 2pt shooting. On the former, Sarr takes x5 more 3s and with better percentages (31% vs. 25%). On the latter, Sarr only shoots 46% vs. 54% in Mobley's case.

Otherwise, their FT shooting % is almost identical and so are their PPG, TRB, AST, STL and BLKs, with Alex having a slight edge in AST and BLK.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=sarral01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=mobleev01&p2yrfrom=2022&p2yrto=2022