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Post#41 » by basketballRob » Tue Apr 1, 2025 3:57 pm

Orlando could use Kon.

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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#42 » by Rafael122 » Tue Apr 1, 2025 5:37 pm

basketballRob wrote:Orlando could use Kon.

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Great fit actually. You can hide him defensively and he'll bring it on the offensive side.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#43 » by EvanZ » Tue Apr 1, 2025 6:52 pm

Feels like Knueppel should be a Knick.
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Post#44 » by babyjax13 » Tue Apr 1, 2025 6:54 pm

EvanZ wrote:Feels like Knueppel should be a Knick.

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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#45 » by Shock Defeat » Tue Apr 1, 2025 9:02 pm

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6'7" bro? Name some.


You may want to check how many Dunks Luka has.. Demar.. Harden.. Dillon Brooks.. Josh Giddey.. Taurean Prince. Dunks are an indicator of leaping ability not functional athleticism. Conversely Risacher graded out as one of the worst athletes in the '24 draft and has a ton of dunks.


Not how many dunks they have in the NBA bro. Dillon Brooks had 10 dunks in his final year at Oregon. And he's not 6'7".

And your list...other than DeMar (which is wild you'd mention him) are not good athletes. So why would that possibly be something to bring up? You think Luka is in the NBA if all he could do is shoot?
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#46 » by RipCity71252 » Tue Apr 1, 2025 9:26 pm

I don't like the lazy tag white vs white comps get...they're more than often the most accurate from a playstyle and athleticism standpoint.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#47 » by JRoy » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:44 am

Very unathletic and will be eaten alive on defense.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#48 » by Hoopz Afrik » Wed Apr 2, 2025 12:20 pm

He plays like Khris Middleton to me.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#49 » by jasonxxx102 » Wed Apr 2, 2025 1:19 pm

Hoopz Afrik wrote:He plays like Khris Middleton to me.


I think this is a good comp but Middleton was a pretty good defender when he was young. I don't see how Kon is going to be even an average defender in the NBA
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#50 » by JMAC3 » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:50 pm

Personally I think him and Maluach are overrated and are getting a lot of hype being on the Flagg/Duke train.

If Malauach played for Arizona or UCLA or Arkansas is he getting top 5 or top 10 hype?
I feel like the same here with Kon, who is really benefitting from playing on a team with 4 other NBA talents.

His hyper efficient, one of those guys I would feel a lot better about if he was playing for Ohio State or Texas and the game was hard for him sometimes. Everything is so easy on Duke playing with Flagg. So many wide open shots, never facing double teams or traps on ball screens. Most of his buckets I have seen this tourney are 1 vs 1 with all the other 4 defenders hugged up to Dukes shooters.

Put him in Jeremiah Fears shoes and is Oklahoma a tourney team this year?
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#51 » by greg4012 » Wed Apr 2, 2025 6:33 pm

Upperclass wrote:
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Plenty of NBA "athletes" who don't dunk.


6'7" bro? Name some.


You may want to check how many Dunks Luka has.. Demar.. Harden.. Dillon Brooks.. Josh Giddey.. Taurean Prince. Dunks are an indicator of leaping ability not functional athleticism. Conversely Risacher graded out as one of the worst athletes in the '24 draft and has a ton of dunks.


Here is a list of ALL of the college players drafted in round 1 since 2008 that have had 3 dunks or less in a college season despite being at least 6'4:

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=15&minht=76&minpick=30&mindunkmade=3&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501&dunkmadeSelect=-1&pickSelect=-1

Like it or not, dunks in college are a great indicator of athleticism translating to the NBA level. It speaks to upside.

I think Kon's upside case is to become a player like Desmond Bane. Kon has a great floor IMO, but capped upside (Bane would be a great outcome).
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#52 » by Bernman » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:42 am

Hoopz Afrik wrote:He plays like Khris Middleton to me.


Me & a poster on the Bucks' board I think independently both compared him to Middleton. Not the prime version, or this year's, but like other later seasons. He was still a very good player, capable of rising to the moment, especially in a halfcourt game.

Kon has risen to the moment in the NCAA tourney and conference w/out Coop, being named outstanding player. Showed he can scale up his playmaking. I think he can be a 3rd banana/floor spacer on a contender, maybe 2nd banana next to a superstar like Giannis/Flagg.

He's an elite shooter w/ triple threat ability. Has a surprising 1st step, uses his strong body to stay by you, finish inside w/ contact, & utilizes fakes to get his shot off. If there's an open man, he's probably going to find you. High-level I.Q. & vision.

And I think his d is OK. Outside injury aggravations, Middleton adapted to stay in front of guys usually, w/ anticipation. If he got near you, he could use his strength, like Kon. Smart off ball, rotating & in passing lanes. Probably a good starter, not sure if ever all-star, but a winner.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#53 » by tester551 » Thu Apr 3, 2025 1:46 am

greg4012 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
6'7" bro? Name some.


You may want to check how many Dunks Luka has.. Demar.. Harden.. Dillon Brooks.. Josh Giddey.. Taurean Prince. Dunks are an indicator of leaping ability not functional athleticism. Conversely Risacher graded out as one of the worst athletes in the '24 draft and has a ton of dunks.


Here is a list of ALL of the college players drafted in round 1 since 2008 that have had 3 dunks or less in a college season despite being at least 6'4:

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=15&minht=76&minpick=30&mindunkmade=3&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501&dunkmadeSelect=-1&pickSelect=-1

Like it or not, dunks in college are a great indicator of athleticism translating to the NBA level. It speaks to upside.

I think Kon's upside case is to become a player like Desmond Bane. Kon has a great floor IMO, but capped upside (Bane would be a great outcome).

100% this...

Going through the list (and removing the draft criteria), the best NBA players are: Bane, Andrew Nembhard, Khris Middleton, Dinwiddie, Malcolm Brogdon, Joe Harris, Ty Jerome, Reggie Bullocks, Kennard, and Shake Milton.

Not exactly a star-studded list.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#54 » by Upperclass » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:14 am

greg4012 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
6'7" bro? Name some.


You may want to check how many Dunks Luka has.. Demar.. Harden.. Dillon Brooks.. Josh Giddey.. Taurean Prince. Dunks are an indicator of leaping ability not functional athleticism. Conversely Risacher graded out as one of the worst athletes in the '24 draft and has a ton of dunks.


Here is a list of ALL of the college players drafted in round 1 since 2008 that have had 3 dunks or less in a college season despite being at least 6'4:

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=15&minht=76&minpick=30&mindunkmade=3&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501&dunkmadeSelect=-1&pickSelect=-1

Like it or not, dunks in college are a great indicator of athleticism translating to the NBA level. It speaks to upside.

I think Kon's upside case is to become a player like Desmond Bane. Kon has a great floor IMO, but capped upside (Bane would be a great outcome).


And if you extend the list.. Theres a Christian Braun season in there, Khris Middleton, Spencer Dinwiddie, Austin Reaves, Malcolm Brogdon, Jordan Clarkson, Andrew Nembhard.. Tre Mann. And if you expand it to 4 dunks, theres a D'Angelo Russell, Tyler Herro. And Steph Curry is in there somewhere only having 2-3 career college dunks.

Raw Athleticism is not the same as functional Athleticism.

Free free to also stat out the elite college dunkers who went on to do absolutely nothing at the NBA level.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#55 » by Bernman » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:19 am

Luka had only 2 dunks last year, as an MVP candidate & NBA finalist. Maybe that's why they traded him. Makes as much sense as anything.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#56 » by EvanZ » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:39 am

Upperclass wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:
You may want to check how many Dunks Luka has.. Demar.. Harden.. Dillon Brooks.. Josh Giddey.. Taurean Prince. Dunks are an indicator of leaping ability not functional athleticism. Conversely Risacher graded out as one of the worst athletes in the '24 draft and has a ton of dunks.


Here is a list of ALL of the college players drafted in round 1 since 2008 that have had 3 dunks or less in a college season despite being at least 6'4:

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=15&minht=76&minpick=30&mindunkmade=3&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501&dunkmadeSelect=-1&pickSelect=-1

Like it or not, dunks in college are a great indicator of athleticism translating to the NBA level. It speaks to upside.

I think Kon's upside case is to become a player like Desmond Bane. Kon has a great floor IMO, but capped upside (Bane would be a great outcome).


And if you extend the list.. Theres a Christian Braun season in there, Khris Middleton, Spencer Dinwiddie, Austin Reaves, Malcolm Brogdon, Jordan Clarkson, Andrew Nembhard.. Tre Mann. And if you expand it to 4 dunks, theres a D'Angelo Russell, Tyler Herro. And Steph Curry is in there somewhere only having 2-3 career college dunks.

Raw Athleticism is not the same as functional Athleticism.

Free free to also stat out the elite college dunkers who went on to do absolutely nothing at the NBA level.


Bro totally lost the plot. Keep it to 6’7” and taller my guy.

But hey if you want to be bad at this keep doing what you’re doing.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#57 » by Upperclass » Thu Apr 3, 2025 3:14 am

This entire exercise was a construct you all created. I didnt mention his height, dunking ability etc. I said his athletic traits are top tier in accompanyment of his skills. Together that will make him a top tier athlete in this draft. Not a run and jump one. Another likely top 5 pick of similar stature has a whopping 8 dunks as one of the highest usage players in college basketball.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#58 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 3, 2025 4:38 am

I see a decent amount of Nickeil Alexander-Walker, interestingly enough
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#59 » by CptCrunch » Thu Apr 3, 2025 11:32 am

I'm willing to take Kon 4th after VJ before Ace.
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Re: Kon Knueppel 

Post#60 » by greg4012 » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:55 pm

Upperclass wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:
You may want to check how many Dunks Luka has.. Demar.. Harden.. Dillon Brooks.. Josh Giddey.. Taurean Prince. Dunks are an indicator of leaping ability not functional athleticism. Conversely Risacher graded out as one of the worst athletes in the '24 draft and has a ton of dunks.


Here is a list of ALL of the college players drafted in round 1 since 2008 that have had 3 dunks or less in a college season despite being at least 6'4:

https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&minGP=15&minht=76&minpick=30&mindunkmade=3&year=all&start=-11101&end=all0501&dunkmadeSelect=-1&pickSelect=-1

Like it or not, dunks in college are a great indicator of athleticism translating to the NBA level. It speaks to upside.

I think Kon's upside case is to become a player like Desmond Bane. Kon has a great floor IMO, but capped upside (Bane would be a great outcome).


And if you extend the list.. Theres a Christian Braun season in there, Khris Middleton, Spencer Dinwiddie, Austin Reaves, Malcolm Brogdon, Jordan Clarkson, Andrew Nembhard.. Tre Mann. And if you expand it to 4 dunks, theres a D'Angelo Russell, Tyler Herro. And Steph Curry is in there somewhere only having 2-3 career college dunks.

Raw Athleticism is not the same as functional Athleticism.

Free free to also stat out the elite college dunkers who went on to do absolutely nothing at the NBA level.


Thank you for displaying your implicit lack of understanding.

Let's play along tho. Among the names you mentioned with 3 dunks or less, there is one player who has been named an All-Star (Middleton). So effectively, it's the same caliber of player as the upside comparison I made--Desmond Bane.

Also, effectively every name you mentioned created more of their own offense and more offense for others in college than Kon has. Kinda important if you're not a plus athlete to be able to create offense at a high rate if you want to project a player to be anything more than a role player.

Again--Kon has a great floor but capped upside. Desmond Bane is an upside comparison for him IMO.

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